Fade wrote:Teams who have traded into the top3 and selected a QB the last 10 years are as follows: RGIII, Goff, Wentz, Tribusky.
The Niners got impatient, and probably were going to trade for Watson, now they have to settle for a rookie. If they can move up another spot and take Wilson this is a pretty good trade. If they stand pat and take the 3rd QB, whoever it is, I predict disaster.
no truer words...Fade wrote:Teams who have traded into the top3 and selected a QB the last 10 years are as follows: RGIII, Goff, Wentz, Tribusky.
The Niners got impatient, and probably were going to trade for Watson, now they have to settle for a rookie. If they can move up another spot and take Wilson this is a pretty good trade. If they stand pat and take the 3rd QB, whoever it is, I predict disaster.
NINEster wrote:Fade wrote:Teams who have traded into the top3 and selected a QB the last 10 years are as follows: RGIII, Goff, Wentz, Tribusky.
The Niners got impatient, and probably were going to trade for Watson, now they have to settle for a rookie. If they can move up another spot and take Wilson this is a pretty good trade. If they stand pat and take the 3rd QB, whoever it is, I predict disaster.
Many could easily say that future first round picks for the Seahawks will be disasters based on track record too. Who is a bonafide 1st round Seahawk player that makes you go wow? Earl Thomas?
Let's revisit these guys individually:
RG3 - was not wanted by the Shanahan coaching staff. Was forced onto them by ownership. They made it work because of creative coaching.
Goff - seemed pretty good. The Rams in 2016 were a terrible place to be for a QB, and then suddenly the next few years things changed dramatically. Goff might not have been the guy ultimately, but I don't recall the pros/cons of his draft stock. Seemed like he relied on the running game a bit too much, more than Jimmy G does.
Wentz - Easy to look now and see faults, but great rookie season. Woulda snagged an MVP for sure if he didn't get hurt. Still a decent QB talent, and the change of scenery is likely to help him. Has attitude issues, but far from a terrible player.
Trubisky - Don't have the answer here. Should never have been drafted so high. Also don't feel Trubisky counts in this conversation....going from #3 to #2 is not a huge get and for some reason the Bears couldn't see that the 49ers wouldn't have drafted him. It's nowhere near the other 3 on here.......the Bears missed but they didn't unload the farm to get him, luckily for them.
So based on my analysis here, 3 out of the 4 guys here if redrafted in 2021 with the 49ers would do very well. The 49ers right now are one of the best teams a 1st round (let alone a super high pick 1st round) could go to. This is an even better team than the one that drafted Nick Bosa at #2.
Predict disaster? LMFAO, love it.
Meanwhile the Russell Wilson situation in Seattle literally couldn't be any better I bet.
Right.
TAB420 wrote:NINEster wrote:Fade wrote:Teams who have traded into the top3 and selected a QB the last 10 years are as follows: RGIII, Goff, Wentz, Tribusky.
The Niners got impatient, and probably were going to trade for Watson, now they have to settle for a rookie. If they can move up another spot and take Wilson this is a pretty good trade. If they stand pat and take the 3rd QB, whoever it is, I predict disaster.
Many could easily say that future first round picks for the Seahawks will be disasters based on track record too. Who is a bonafide 1st round Seahawk player that makes you go wow? Earl Thomas?
Let's revisit these guys individually:
RG3 - was not wanted by the Shanahan coaching staff. Was forced onto them by ownership. They made it work because of creative coaching.
Goff - seemed pretty good. The Rams in 2016 were a terrible place to be for a QB, and then suddenly the next few years things changed dramatically. Goff might not have been the guy ultimately, but I don't recall the pros/cons of his draft stock. Seemed like he relied on the running game a bit too much, more than Jimmy G does.
Wentz - Easy to look now and see faults, but great rookie season. Woulda snagged an MVP for sure if he didn't get hurt. Still a decent QB talent, and the change of scenery is likely to help him. Has attitude issues, but far from a terrible player.
Trubisky - Don't have the answer here. Should never have been drafted so high. Also don't feel Trubisky counts in this conversation....going from #3 to #2 is not a huge get and for some reason the Bears couldn't see that the 49ers wouldn't have drafted him. It's nowhere near the other 3 on here.......the Bears missed but they didn't unload the farm to get him, luckily for them.
So based on my analysis here, 3 out of the 4 guys here if redrafted in 2021 with the 49ers would do very well. The 49ers right now are one of the best teams a 1st round (let alone a super high pick 1st round) could go to. This is an even better team than the one that drafted Nick Bosa at #2.
Predict disaster? LMFAO, love it.
Meanwhile the Russell Wilson situation in Seattle literally couldn't be any better I bet.
Right.
His situation right now is still way better than Smiths, Kaepernicks, I mean Jimmy's, actually I mean the new guy. I think you get my drift. You're using three...yes three, first round picks on a player that hasn't had one NFL snap. Sure, it might work out. But to act like this isn't a huge risk is idiotic at best. That's all we're saying. I mean one doesn't really need to look any further than your own Alex Smith.
Here's an article about the most costly trade in the last 5 years. It looks like this is the most ever given up for a first round draft pic in the draft. Another thing you might notice is that when teams do pull the trigger on a multi 1st round trade, it's for a player who has already proven themselves at the NFL level.
NINEster wrote:Fade wrote:Teams who have traded into the top3 and selected a QB the last 10 years are as follows: RGIII, Goff, Wentz, Tribusky.
The Niners got impatient, and probably were going to trade for Watson, now they have to settle for a rookie. If they can move up another spot and take Wilson this is a pretty good trade. If they stand pat and take the 3rd QB, whoever it is, I predict disaster.
Many could easily say that future first round picks for the Seahawks will be disasters based on track record too. Who is a bonafide 1st round Seahawk player that makes you go wow? Earl Thomas?
Let's revisit these guys individually:
RG3 - was not wanted by the Shanahan coaching staff. Was forced onto them by ownership. They made it work because of creative coaching.
Goff - seemed pretty good. The Rams in 2016 were a terrible place to be for a QB, and then suddenly the next few years things changed dramatically. Goff might not have been the guy ultimately, but I don't recall the pros/cons of his draft stock. Seemed like he relied on the running game a bit too much, more than Jimmy G does.
Wentz - Easy to look now and see faults, but great rookie season. Woulda snagged an MVP for sure if he didn't get hurt. Still a decent QB talent, and the change of scenery is likely to help him. Has attitude issues, but far from a terrible player.
Trubisky - Don't have the answer here. Should never have been drafted so high. Also don't feel Trubisky counts in this conversation....going from #3 to #2 is not a huge get and for some reason the Bears couldn't see that the 49ers wouldn't have drafted him. It's nowhere near the other 3 on here.......the Bears missed but they didn't unload the farm to get him, luckily for them.
So based on my analysis here, 3 out of the 4 guys here if redrafted in 2021 with the 49ers would do very well. The 49ers right now are one of the best teams a 1st round (let alone a super high pick 1st round) could go to. This is an even better team than the one that drafted Nick Bosa at #2.
Predict disaster? LMFAO, love it.
Meanwhile the Russell Wilson situation in Seattle literally couldn't be any better I bet.
Right.
Marvin49 wrote:NINEster wrote:Fade wrote:Teams who have traded into the top3 and selected a QB the last 10 years are as follows: RGIII, Goff, Wentz, Tribusky.
The Niners got impatient, and probably were going to trade for Watson, now they have to settle for a rookie. If they can move up another spot and take Wilson this is a pretty good trade. If they stand pat and take the 3rd QB, whoever it is, I predict disaster.
Many could easily say that future first round picks for the Seahawks will be disasters based on track record too. Who is a bonafide 1st round Seahawk player that makes you go wow? Earl Thomas?
Let's revisit these guys individually:
RG3 - was not wanted by the Shanahan coaching staff. Was forced onto them by ownership. They made it work because of creative coaching.
Goff - seemed pretty good. The Rams in 2016 were a terrible place to be for a QB, and then suddenly the next few years things changed dramatically. Goff might not have been the guy ultimately, but I don't recall the pros/cons of his draft stock. Seemed like he relied on the running game a bit too much, more than Jimmy G does.
Wentz - Easy to look now and see faults, but great rookie season. Woulda snagged an MVP for sure if he didn't get hurt. Still a decent QB talent, and the change of scenery is likely to help him. Has attitude issues, but far from a terrible player.
Trubisky - Don't have the answer here. Should never have been drafted so high. Also don't feel Trubisky counts in this conversation....going from #3 to #2 is not a huge get and for some reason the Bears couldn't see that the 49ers wouldn't have drafted him. It's nowhere near the other 3 on here.......the Bears missed but they didn't unload the farm to get him, luckily for them.
So based on my analysis here, 3 out of the 4 guys here if redrafted in 2021 with the 49ers would do very well. The 49ers right now are one of the best teams a 1st round (let alone a super high pick 1st round) could go to. This is an even better team than the one that drafted Nick Bosa at #2.
Predict disaster? LMFAO, love it.
Meanwhile the Russell Wilson situation in Seattle literally couldn't be any better I bet.
Right.
Nah...I won't play that game.
I won't predict disaster and I won't predict homerun. It could very easily be either. There is no getting around this being a risk.
In this particular draft, they HAD to move up to get the guy they want. There is no question. Whether that guy will be a bust or a hit remains to be seen and there are just soooo many factors that go into that.
As for the guys you mentioned...every situation is different. RGIII issues were between his ears. Good guy, but his own ego got in the way and wouldn't take hard coaching. Goff? The issue there isn't the trade. He just didn't pan out. I think Wentz may turn it around. Trubisky? That was a reach from the start. I don't think anyone was a fan of that move for that player. Reach.
I'm excited to see who they like and were willing to make this bold move for and eager to see how he responds to Kyles coaching.
If I'm a betting man right now, my gut is telling me its Trey Lance.
NINEster wrote:You're telling me Russell Wilson, the 2012 Wisconsin prospect, is better than all of these QBs? LOL.
NINEster wrote:Yes guys, risk.
Of course, there's risk in everything in life.
But you're not taking into account two things:
1) The 49ers up and down seasons the last decade
2) The quality of team this QB will go to
#1 - After the way the 2014 season ended into 2015, I WISH the Niners could have done some crazy $h!t to have kept it together the year prior (i.e. trade for some star WR or CB). Hindsight is 20/20, but the team got smashed in the face without having to trade away 3 first rounders for it. That's f*** brutal and the Seahawk fanbase never experienced that.
From this standpoint, there's more risk not going after a QB than hanging out and drafting BPA at #12.
#2 - Alex Smith? Haha. If he was drafted today, he'd have been redshirted a season if not two and would become a franchise QB. Smith was known to be a late bloomer by Urban Meyer himself, and despite the rather brutal first 5 years in the league, he's done pretty well for himself utilizing only about 70% of his skillset. The 2006 film of Smith is surreal to watch......bares zero resemblance to what people have seen the last decade, none. A legit dual threat QB ahead of his time. Just didn't WTF he was doing.
Meanwhile the baller Aaron Rodgers got a few years to fix his throwing motion while the sexual predator ahead of him took his time to move on. The career gaps are huge, but if paths were reversed, it'd be a lot closer than what it is now. Maybe Rodgers is a baller no matter what (big maybe to that), but it's more likely that Smith in Green Bay has a decent career, and Rodgers as a Niner is an exciting QB that never plays in the big one.
So anyway, how many teams over the last 20 years picking top 3 are as good as the 49ers right now? Organizational stability, talent in the trenches, a smart offensive minded coach, just been to a Super Bowl under 500 days ago. They even have a QB who got their team to the SB, and is legitimately expected to be a threat to do so.
Name me one team over the last 10-20 seasons that even resembles this? All of these rookies forced to start on subpar teams. Of course it's gonna be tough. Nobody ever gets this type of situation.
If none of these guys can hack it on the 49ers, AFTER A YEAR ON THE BENCH, then the entire scouting field got it wrong on them. Massively wrong.
You're telling me Russell Wilson, the 2012 Wisconsin prospect, is better than all of these QBs? LOL.
The Asterisk
Russell Wilson, Wisconsin: 2,650 DYAR
Important stats: 48 games started, 60.7% completion rate, senior passer rating rose 64.1 points.
I would be remiss if I didn't at least mention the ridiculous projection that the Lewin Career Forecast spits out for Russell Wilson. Yes, that projection is even higher than the one for Robert Griffin. No, it doesn't particularly mean that Wilson is a sleeper prospect. There are a few things going on here that the LCF is just not designed to account for.
First and foremost, the change in Wilson's passer rating between his junior and senior years is insane. Remember that earlier I noted that Griffin had a larger senior year passer rating increase than any quarterback in our data set? Well, Wilson's senior year passer rating increase is 40 percent larger than Griffin's. But does it matter when the quarterback is playing in a completely different offense for a completely different school in his last year of college eligibility? At Wisconsin, Wilson got to pick apart defenses that were concentrating on stopping Montee Ball. At North Carolina State, I doubt opponents were quaking in their boots at the thought of Mustafa Greene and Dean Haynes. It goes without saying that there isn't another quarterback in the LCF data set who transferred between his junior and senior years.
There's also the issue of height, another data point where there's nobody in our data set that can be compared to Wilson. At first, it seems strange that LCF doesn't include a variable to discount short quarterbacks, but when you look at the data set that went into creating LCF the reasons are pretty clear. There's no penalty for being 5-foot-11, like Wilson is, because there are no quarterbacks in the data set who are shorter than 6-foot-0. There's no penalty for being only 6-foot-0 because the two quarterbacks who are 6-foot-0 are Drew Brees and Michael Vick.
Quarterbacks who are Wilson's height simply don't get drafted in the first three rounds of the draft, period. The FO master database only includes three quarterbacks who are below six feet tall: Seneca Wallace, Joe Hamilton, and Flutie. That's a fourth-round pick, a seventh-round pick, and an 11th round pick from 25 years ago. Even if we go all the way back to 1991, the only quarterbacks taken in the first six rounds at 6-foot-0 or shorter were Vick, Brees, Wallace, Joe Germaine (fourth round, 1999), and Troy Smith (fifth round, 2007).
Wilson too will probably be drafted on the third day of the draft, round four or later, which would render his absurdly high LCF moot.
Fade wrote:Adding on here.
Since 2000, 70% of QBs taken in the 1st rd have been busts. The numbers point to this being a disaster especially when I look at the prospects available at 3.
Mac Jones the likely pick is not worth such an aggressive trade up. All the QBs that have "hit" in recent years have the ability to create and extend when the initial play doesn't work. Mac Jones is not that player.
Fields and Lance will have disappointing careers. They represent the other end of the extreme/spectrum. They will not be able to run an NFL offense with any sort of consistency, but will make splash plays with their legs from time to time.
Kyle Trask who will go in the 2nd round or later will have a better career than all of them. No need to burn 3 Firsts and a 3rd here, unless the Jets stand pat with Darnold and they come away with Zach Wilson.
Fade wrote:Adding on here.
Since 2000, 70% of QBs taken in the 1st rd have been busts. The numbers point to this being a disaster especially when I look at the prospects available at 3.
Mac Jones the likely pick is not worth such an aggressive trade up. All the QBs that have "hit" in recent years have the ability to create and extend when the initial play doesn't work. Mac Jones is not that player.
Fields and Lance will have disappointing careers. They represent the other end of the extreme/spectrum. They will not be able to run an NFL offense with any sort of consistency, but will make splash plays with their legs from time to time.
Kyle Trask who will go in the 2nd round or later will have a better career than all of them. No need to burn 3 Firsts and a 3rd here, unless the Jets stand pat with Darnold and they come away with Zach Wilson.
UK_Seahawk wrote:If its just coaching why do so many of these busts not get better when they move on. Deshon Kizer has the same coaches as Aaron Rodgers, Paxton Lynch had the same as Russell Wilson.
I think your just making stuff up to try and justify what is most likely a stupid decision.
Marvin49 wrote:UK_Seahawk wrote:If its just coaching why do so many of these busts not get better when they move on. Deshon Kizer has the same coaches as Aaron Rodgers, Paxton Lynch had the same as Russell Wilson.
I think your just making stuff up to try and justify what is most likely a stupid decision.
Seriously? Did I say it was "just coaching"? I didn't say anything remotely like that.
I said most 1st round QBs end up in bad situations. Coaching is a BIG part of it, but certainly not all.
In fact, in the very post you are responding to I said 50%. Can you argue with me that most top 10 QBs don't end up with an OC half as good as Kyle?
As for "making stuff up", you won't find a 49er fan on this page who has said this is as big a risk as I have, nor as often as I have. It sounds alot more to me like you REALLY want this to be a stupid decision and have no interest in being convinced otherwise.
SantaClaraHawk wrote:
https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/stat ... 3944986637
Sports Hernia wrote:SantaClaraHawk wrote:
https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/stat ... 3944986637
94Smith wrote:Might get a first for him . Could see it happening if a) a excellent team with a premier quarterback and a bad back up has a catastrophic injury to the premier qb in training camp b) he has a season similar to 2019 season this year /stays healthy and they trade him in the offseason. His no trade clause is gone next year.
Marvin49 wrote:Responding to a couple things about read here...
1) RE wanting a 1 for Jimmy. This ain’t that difficult. They don’t intend to trade him. If someone is willing to part with a 1, go for it. It’s no an issue of their perceived trade value. It’s that he has value to them just being on the team and they aren’t going to dump him for nothing. It requires them being blown away. Net effect is that likely nobody offers a 1 for him...which is fine because their intent isn’t to trade him.
2) RE “reports” about who Shanahan wants: Dont believe anything you hear. The 49ers under Baalke leaked like crazy. Everything got out. Under Lynch and Shanahan, that ain’t the case. At all. If you hear something, it’s because someone is making it up or the 49ers are leaking it on purpose. That’s why I don’t believe any of the Mac Jones stuff. Pretty sure it’ll be Wilson, Fields, or Lance. Nobody saw this trade coming. Nobody saw McGlinchey pick coming. There were people saying Niners liked Williams over Bosa. It’s all BS. They don’t always make a good pick (Thomas, Foster), but they keep who they are picking in the building.
Media jumping all over the fact that 49ers went and saw Mac Jones workout. Less public? Adam Peters, who went to see Bosa 2 years ago, went to see Fields. Ya know who else was there to see Fields? MIKE Shanahan.
Now reports are out there that Shanahan and Lynch don’t agree. The reports are that Lynch wants Lance and Shanahan wants Mac Jones. What does that make me think? They want Fields.
Nobody knows. If they say they do, they are lyin. The fact that so much effort is going into attaching Mac Jones to the Niners at 3 pretty much assures me he ain’t the pick. If he were, it wouldn’t be so damn public. They dont want someone jumping ahead of them for who they really want.
I do t know either tho so I could be completely wrong here. However, this is what I think is going on.
NINEster wrote:
Many could easily say that future first round picks for the Seahawks will be disasters based on track record too. Who is a bonafide 1st round Seahawk player that makes you go wow? Earl Thomas?
Let's revisit these guys individually:
RG3 - was not wanted by the Shanahan coaching staff. Was forced onto them by ownership. They made it work because of creative coaching.
Goff - seemed pretty good. The Rams in 2016 were a terrible place to be for a QB, and then suddenly the next few years things changed dramatically. Goff might not have been the guy ultimately, but I don't recall the pros/cons of his draft stock. Seemed like he relied on the running game a bit too much, more than Jimmy G does.
Wentz - Easy to look now and see faults, but great rookie season. Woulda snagged an MVP for sure if he didn't get hurt. Still a decent QB talent, and the change of scenery is likely to help him. Has attitude issues, but far from a terrible player.
Trubisky - Don't have the answer here. Should never have been drafted so high. Also don't feel Trubisky counts in this conversation....going from #3 to #2 is not a huge get and for some reason the Bears couldn't see that the 49ers wouldn't have drafted him. It's nowhere near the other 3 on here.......the Bears missed but they didn't unload the farm to get him, luckily for them.
So based on my analysis here, 3 out of the 4 guys here if redrafted in 2021 with the 49ers would do very well. The 49ers right now are one of the best teams a 1st round (let alone a super high pick 1st round) could go to. This is an even better team than the one that drafted Nick Bosa at #2.
Predict disaster? LMFAO, love it.
Meanwhile the Russell Wilson situation in Seattle literally couldn't be any better I bet.
Right.
knownone wrote:Who benefits from the rumors that the Niners are interested in Mac Jones? Most of us believe it's improbable that the Niners moved up to draft Jones. So it's ludicrous to assume a team would trade up to stop the Niners from drafting him. My theory is these leaks are coming from the Niners for two reasons: A) they want to placate teams into thinking they'll draft Jones so they can get the guy they want, or B) they actually are considering taking Jones.
Reason A seems like the more logical scenario, but I wouldn't rule out them drafting Jones. He fits a similar mold of QB's that have succeeded in Kyle's system, like Matt Ryan, Kirk Cousins, and Jimmy G. On top of that, he's got the highest floor of any QB they could potentially grab at that spot, which would be a determining factor if they don't believe the other QBs have significantly higher ceilings.
As for Jimmy G, the Niners are asking for a 1st and hoping someone offers a 2nd. This is not like Alex Smith's situation in KC. The Chiefs didn't mortgage their entire future for a QB. They won 12 games the year before, and Smith hadn't had a losing season in 6 years as a starter. In contrast, Jimmy G has battled injuries in 2 out of 3 seasons, and he's only had one full season as a starter. Unless the Niners are drafting a project QB, they'd be silly not to trade Jimmy if someone offers a 2nd (or maybe even a 3rd) for him.
Marvin49 wrote:Oh....I’m about 99% convinced the Niners are leaking Mac Jones with no intent on taking him. My guess is the really want Lance or Fields and do t want someone jumping in front of them to take that player.
Maulbert wrote:Marvin49 wrote:Oh....I’m about 99% convinced the Niners are leaking Mac Jones with no intent on taking him. My guess is the really want Lance or Fields and do t want someone jumping in front of them to take that player.
I understand masking your intentions, so I'm not crirticizing that, but I will say anyone with a desire to jump up to #2 won't be doing it for Trey Lance or Justin Fields. They'll only have eyes for Zach Wilson. I'd say it's more likely they're putting out a smoke screen hoping the Jets don't go QB and Wilson falls to them.
Washington49er wrote:
Everytime I see a rookie start in his first seasons I have visions of David Carr
Sac wrote:Washington49er wrote:
Everytime I see a rookie start in his first seasons I have visions of David Carr
I didn't see David Carr in Russ' first season. Or Luck's.
Sac wrote:Washington49er wrote:
Everytime I see a rookie start in his first seasons I have visions of David Carr
I didn't see David Carr in Russ' first season. Or Luck's.
Marvin49 wrote:Sac wrote:Washington49er wrote:
Everytime I see a rookie start in his first seasons I have visions of David Carr
I didn't see David Carr in Russ' first season. Or Luck's.
There are exceptions to every rule.
David Carr is just the example of how it can ruin a young QB. Poor dude was sacked 76 times as a rookie.
Maulbert wrote:Marvin49 wrote:Sac wrote:Washington49er wrote:
Everytime I see a rookie start in his first seasons I have visions of David Carr
I didn't see David Carr in Russ' first season. Or Luck's.
There are exceptions to every rule.
David Carr is just the example of how it can ruin a young QB. Poor dude was sacked 76 times as a rookie.
The thing about pointing to David Carr, again, is that he played for an EXPANSION team. You can't tell me, even for a second, you think the 49ers are that bad.
Washington49er wrote:Sac wrote:Washington49er wrote:
Everytime I see a rookie start in his first seasons I have visions of David Carr
I didn't see David Carr in Russ' first season. Or Luck's.
Where's Luck now?
RW is an exception in more ways than this.
Maulbert wrote:Washington49er wrote:Sac wrote:Washington49er wrote:
Everytime I see a rookie start in his first seasons I have visions of David Carr
I didn't see David Carr in Russ' first season. Or Luck's.
Where's Luck now?
RW is an exception in more ways than this.
Luck isn't out of the game because he was a bust. He's out of the game because Ryan Grigson is a $h!t.
knownone wrote:Everything is pointing towards Mac Jones to the Niners. Schefter and a handful of other reporters have basically said this is a done deal. If this is a smokescreen, the Niners are going all out.
Washington49er wrote:Maulbert wrote:Washington49er wrote:Sac wrote:
I didn't see David Carr in Russ' first season. Or Luck's.
Where's Luck now?
RW is an exception in more ways than this.
Luck isn't out of the game because he was a bust. He's out of the game because Ryan Grigson is a $h!t.
That and his kneck injuries.
olyfan63 wrote:If it's Mac Jones, are Niner fans good with that? Or is Justin Fields a better choice? With the Jets trading Darnold, it suggests they are in on Zach Wilson of BYU, and that Wilson won't drop to the Niners at 3. Zach Wilson would no doubt be another instance of BYU QB makes good in SF, like the Steve Young story of a couple decades ago.
Or is all the QB stuff a smokescreen and Niners pick a Left Tackle or yet-another-great-D-Lineman?
SantaClaraHawk wrote:
https://twitter.com/MaioccoNBCS/status/ ... 4001348610
LOL 49ers, this guy's supposed to be better than Beathard or Mullens?
SantaClaraHawk wrote::49ersmall:Fade wrote:Adding on here.
Since 2000, 70% of QBs taken in the 1st rd have been busts. The numbers point to this being a disaster especially when I look at the prospects available at 3.
Mac Jones the likely pick is not worth such an aggressive trade up. All the QBs that have "hit" in recent years have the ability to create and extend when the initial play doesn't work. Mac Jones is not that player.
Fields and Lance will have disappointing careers. They represent the other end of the extreme/spectrum. They will not be able to run an NFL offense with any sort of consistency, but will make splash plays with their legs from time to time.
Kyle Trask who will go in the 2nd round or later will have a better career than all of them. No need to burn 3 Firsts and a 3rd here, unless the Jets stand pat with Darnold and they come away with Zach Wilson.
You saw Trask in his last 2020 appearance, right? He was making mistakes all over the place. I seriously thought he'd drop to Round 2 after that.
Anyways Niners media is putting their money on Fields being the one. To me that's still a risky bet, but not as risky as Trask.
Marvin49 wrote:
Oh....I’m about 99% convinced the Niners are leaking Mac Jones with no intent on taking him. My guess is the really want Lance or Fields and do t want someone jumping in front of them to take that player.
I think in the end the Jets take Wilson at 2. If you put a gun to my head my guess would e Niners take Lance.
As for Jimmy, I honestly believe they won’t settle for a 2. It’s not because they are playing hard ball or actually think they end up with a 1, it’s because I think they want to give Lance a year to learn.
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