Bunch of Saints staff positive for C19

SmokinHawk · Sep 14, 2021

All vaccinated. Super effective.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/322 ... ources-say

Washington49er · Sep 14, 2021

Worthless vaccines

Sports Hernia · Sep 18, 2021

After much debate this thread is moved back here.

The minute it gets political posts will get deleted, thread gets locked/deleted and warnings will get issued.
Keep it on the straight and narrow and it stays. Think before hitting send.
This is not up for debate, so tread carefully.

sutz · Sep 18, 2021

That sucks. Hope they're all OK.

cymatica · Sep 18, 2021

That's why mandating vaccines is completely stupid and having a rule that punishes teams with positive tests is completely stupid. Nothing political about this, it should be common sense

hoxrox · Sep 19, 2021

Seems there's still a lot of misinformation out there.

No one ever said the vaccines have a 100% efficacy rate in preventing infections.

Here's the deal:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/ ... 37e2-H.pdf

The Moderna vaccine effectiveness has a rate of 95% when it comes to hospitalizations due to the delta variant, while Pfizer sits at 80% and Johnson & Johnson at 60%.

The effectiveness rate for Moderna against urgent care and emergency room visits sits at 92%. Pfizer and Johnson & Johnson have rates of 77% and 65%, respectively.

This means there will be breakthrough cases, especially with more contagious variants emerging. Currently 99% of cases in the US are the delta variant.

Regarding the NFL, it's a business. Packed stadiums can become super spreader events. Doesn't matter your political beliefs - NO ONE wants to shutdown again. Medical reasons aside, it makes dollars and sense for NFL teams to protect their business.

Don't like it? Watch on TV. It's really not a big deal.

Flyingsquad23 · Sep 19, 2021

Be sure and update us when any of those vaccinated get put in ICU…Worthless is a subjective word, like I think 2 of the posters in this thread are “worthless”. Prove me wrong

cymatica · Sep 19, 2021

hoxrox":15yhketh said:
Seems there's still a lot of misinformation out there.

No one ever said the vaccines have a 100% efficacy rate in preventing infections.

Here's the deal:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/ ... 37e2-H.pdf

The Moderna vaccine effectiveness has a rate of 95% when it comes to hospitalizations due to the delta variant, while Pfizer sits at 80% and Johnson & Johnson at 60%.

The effectiveness rate for Moderna against urgent care and emergency room visits sits at 92%. Pfizer and Johnson & Johnson have rates of 77% and 65%, respectively.

Click to expand...

This means there will be breakthrough cases, especially with more contagious variants emerging. Currently 99% of cases in the US are the delta variant.

Regarding the NFL, it's a business. Packed stadiums can become super spreader events. Doesn't matter your political beliefs - NO ONE wants to shutdown again. Medical reasons aside, it makes dollars and sense for NFL teams to protect their business.

Don't like it? Watch on TV. It's really not a big deal.

And you actually believe that bs, even after a year and a half of censorship(even with experts and factual data), lies regarding effective treatments, lies and ridicule regarding virus origin, and flip flopping on not only mask effectiveness but also regarding the vaccine : we were told back to normal after the shot, now we are told we need booster shots, 3 for now, but if you still buy that then you're a lost cause.

cymatica · Sep 19, 2021

Flyingsquad23":2ocpgj1g said:
Be sure and update us when any of those vaccinated get put in ICU…Worthless is a subjective word, like I think 2 of the posters in this thread are “worthless”. Prove me wrong

I guess the people who have died after the shot from heart failure don't count

Palmegranite · Sep 19, 2021

Myocarditis after vaccine very rare. Most feel better after treatment. Death from this is EXTREMELY rare.
Deaths from Covid meanwhile somewhere between 4.7 and 10 million dead.

Are you saying several people on the Saints staff dropped dead from heart failure after getting vaccinated?
Can you give us their names?

hoxrox · Sep 19, 2021

cymatica":1d8au2y7 said:
hoxrox":1d8au2y7 said:

Seems there's still a lot of misinformation out there.

No one ever said the vaccines have a 100% efficacy rate in preventing infections.

Here's the deal:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/ ... 37e2-H.pdf

The Moderna vaccine effectiveness has a rate of 95% when it comes to hospitalizations due to the delta variant, while Pfizer sits at 80% and Johnson & Johnson at 60%.

The effectiveness rate for Moderna against urgent care and emergency room visits sits at 92%. Pfizer and Johnson & Johnson have rates of 77% and 65%, respectively.

Click to expand...

This means there will be breakthrough cases, especially with more contagious variants emerging. Currently 99% of cases in the US are the delta variant.

Regarding the NFL, it's a business. Packed stadiums can become super spreader events. Doesn't matter your political beliefs - NO ONE wants to shutdown again. Medical reasons aside, it makes dollars and sense for NFL teams to protect their business.

Don't like it? Watch on TV. It's really not a big deal.

Click to expand...

And you actually believe that bs, even after a year and a half of censorship(even with experts and factual data), lies regarding effective treatments, lies and ridicule regarding virus origin, and flip flopping on not only mask effectiveness but also regarding the vaccine : we were told back to normal after the shot, now we are told we need booster shots, 3 for now, but if you still buy that then you're a lost cause.

Yeah I don't know where you get your info, but it is highly suspect.

No one said it would be "back to normal" after the shot. This is something we will have to deal with for a while - especially as the virus continues to mutate. This is an active and evolving situation. It is not as black and white as you might want to make it. The vast majority of infection and hospitalization is currently among the unvaccinated.

As of today, the booster is not yet recommended unless you are immunocompromised. This could change as more data becomes available.

SmokinHawk · Sep 21, 2021

Palmegranite":1z8687a7 said:
Myocarditis after vaccine very rare. Most feel better after treatment. Death from this is EXTREMELY rare.
Deaths from Covid meanwhile somewhere between 4.7 and 10 million dead.

Are you saying several people on the Saints staff dropped dead from heart failure after getting vaccinated?
Can you give us their names?

It's not nearly as rare as we're being told. Doctors are finally starting to speak up about it.

flv · Sep 21, 2021

SmokinHawk":130kks6e said:
All vaccinated. Super effective.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/322 ... ources-say

All NFL coaches have to be vaccinated in 2021.

flv · Sep 21, 2021

Slightly off-topic but i'll be interested to see if the NFL takes any action against the Packers player who jumped into the crowd performing a 'Lambeau Leap' on MNF. Such action is specifically prohibited under current NFL covid19 mandates. 1 of the Packers coaches missed that game under the NFL's covid19 'isolation after close contact' protocols. The NFL could fine the player $14K.

Sports Hernia · Sep 22, 2021

flv":wzcipvns said:
Slightly off-topic but i'll be interested to see if the NFL takes any action against the Packers player who jumped into the crowd performing a 'Lambeau Leap' on MNF. Such action is specifically prohibited under current NFL covid19 mandates. 1 of the Packers coaches missed that game under the NFL's covid19 'isolation after close contact' protocols. The NFL could fine the player $14K.

No. These rules don’t apply to any “legacy teams”.

Palmegranite · Sep 22, 2021

SmokinHawk":2zngfvki said:
Palmegranite":2zngfvki said:

Myocarditis after vaccine very rare. Most feel better after treatment. Death from this is EXTREMELY rare.
Deaths from Covid meanwhile somewhere between 4.7 and 10 million dead.

Are you saying several people on the Saints staff dropped dead from heart failure after getting vaccinated?
Can you give us their names?

Click to expand...

It's not nearly as rare as we're being told. Doctors are finally starting to speak up about it.

Wow, not so rare? Some doctors? Meanwhile 2000 Americans, almost every one of them unvaccinated, die each and every day.
The equivalent of 8 passenger planes falling out of the sky, today tomorrow, every day..

So there's that.

SantaClaraHawk · Sep 22, 2021

The vaxes were never foolproof. From the very beginning, it was disclosed that J&J was only 66 percent effective against catching it, with P/M in their 90s.

Eight months later, Pfizer is down to 52 percent effective.

So what does everyone expect here? Of course with time there will be more cases. The difference is with the vaccinated (even with J&J) you see 10-20 percent hospitalizations. And it only gets to 20 percent or more in a community that's 85, 90 percent first-dose vaxed.

chris98251 · Sep 22, 2021

SantaClaraHawk":whdn8oti said:
The vaxes were never foolproof. From the very beginning, it was disclosed that J&J was only 66 percent effective against catching it, with P/M in their 90s.

Eight months later, Pfizer is down to 52 percent effective.

So what does everyone expect here? Of course with time there will be more cases. The difference is with the vaccinated (even with J&J) you see 10-20 percent hospitalizations. And it only gets to 20 percent or more in a community that's 85, 90 percent first-dose vaxed.

Why boosters are needed, J & J booster pushed effectiveness up to 92 percent they say and Moderna and Pfizer higher 90's.

Marvin49 · Sep 22, 2021

There is ALOT I'd want to say on this topic but won't to stay away from being political.

I'll just say this...it NEVER should have been a political argument to begin with. Its only a mandate because people IMO make irresponsible choices that effect more than just themselves. Get the damn shot.

Peace.

SantaClaraHawk · Sep 23, 2021

Marvin49":1k1hjlzt said:
There is ALOT I'd want to say on this topic but won't to stay away from being political.

I'll just say this...it NEVER should have been a political argument to begin with. Its only a mandate because people IMO make irresponsible choices that effect more than just themselves. Get the damn shot.

Peace.

Marv, can you opine on this?

https://www.uniondemocrat.com/sports/ar ... e87ca.html

It's Ann Killion, and this originally ran in the Chron.

It is somewhat surprising that Santa Clara County has no restrictions on the outdoor stadiums at all. Vax not required, test not required, mask not required.

I don't think universal masking outside can be enforced without eroding significantly the fan experience. However as 80-90 percent of us are already vaxed here, I don't see an issue with presenting the card.

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