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Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:14 pm
  • The previous 2 seasons he led the league in dropped INTs. They aren't dropping them anymore.

    Since the O-Line stopped playing at an elite level for him, he has been fairly pedestrian.

    There are at least 10 QBs I would take over him right now.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:15 pm
  • It's just so ironic and amusing how long people have been comparing Russ and Patrick, you could say even to this day.

    Not saying you are specifically, just saying in general.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:50 pm
  • Nah, more like teams adopting the Bucs Super Bowl defense against the Chiefs.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:55 pm
  • Iono...he's been bunz this year tho.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:23 pm
  • Six straight games with an interception. He has 9 interception this season already. Russ was getting crucified last year. I wonder if the NFL or the Chief fans are doing the same right now.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:43 pm
  • He's a flashier version of Russ. He has more weapons and takes more chances.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:43 pm
  • Mizak wrote:Nah, more like teams adopting the Bucs Super Bowl defense against the Chiefs.


    High cover 2 safeties. Make him check down. He is not.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:55 pm
  • I took him in my fantasy league. As of right now, I have 7 players on IR and I ruined Mahomes season. Blame it on me.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:32 pm
  • pittpnthrs wrote:I took him in my fantasy league. As of right now, I have 7 players on IR and I ruined Mahomes season. Blame it on me.


    That's not very nice. You should stop hurting so many players. I joined a workplace league from 2012-2018. I put in seven years of futility, and only really dealt with injury that first year (Antonio Gates was my TE). I managed my losing ways through shear ineptitude, thank you very much!
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Tue Oct 26, 2021 1:21 am
  • Since Week 13 of last year Mahomes has been a dumpster fire, especially compared to his previous standard. This has been going on for a while now.

    It goes beyond only looking for the deep ball against defenses in a 2 high shell. It's offensive line play. He can't hold the ball forever like he used to. He has less time to throw and he is failing to adjust to that. It's a whole new world for him.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:39 am
  • Fade wrote:The previous 2 seasons he led the league in dropped INTs. They aren't dropping them anymore.

    Since the O-Line stopped playing at an elite level for him, he has been fairly pedestrian.

    There are at least 10 QBs I would take over him right now.


    Curious what 10 quarterbacks? No fault of Andy Reid here either?
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:32 am
  • getnasty wrote:
    Fade wrote:The previous 2 seasons he led the league in dropped INTs. They aren't dropping them anymore.

    Since the O-Line stopped playing at an elite level for him, he has been fairly pedestrian.

    There are at least 10 QBs I would take over him right now.


    Curious what 10 quarterbacks? No fault of Andy Reid here either?


    Andy Reid is giving him easy throws, and they move the ball in spurts with WR screens, HB screens, Y stick, and the like. The O-Line play has affected him, and he is struggling to adjust to that.

    10 QBs I would take over Mahomes right now. Not longterm mind you, just right now. I think he will eventually work his way through this, but it could take some time, maybe a season or two.

    Josh Allen
    Dak Prescott
    Lamar Jackson
    Russell Wilson (If Healthy)
    Kyler Murray
    Aaron Rodgers
    Tom Brady
    Justin Herbert
    Ryan Tannehill
    Derek Carr

    Joe Burrow and Kirk Cousins are playing better than him as well if we're being honest.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:13 am
  • Over Mahomes? Now THAT is funny.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:31 am
  • Mahomes is kind of an interesting case.

    He was just a run-of-the-mill Texas Tech air raid QB. Then he was drafted in the top 10, which was kind of shocking because NFL teams never take Tech QBs seriously. Then he did not start his first year and went crazy his first three years starting. Now he looks like the same QB at Tech that was pretty unimpressive.

    So who is the real Mahomes? Can a QB have three flukey seasons? Can he adjust to the adjustment? Has Andy Reid gone back to his old Philly ways where he forgot about running the ball?
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:30 am
  • Yes he is very elite. Football is a team sport. Even Brady has a monster team surrounding him in TB. They, like us, need to look at life past Andy Reid and Pete Carroll respectively.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:56 am
  • Well lets see, One QB (Mahomes) was the reason his team won the super bowl. The other (Wilson) hid behind the legion of boom and hasn't made it past the 2nd round since the LOB folded.

    In his 1st year, Mahomes threw over 50 TD's while Wilson hasn't even sniffed that yet.

    Mahomes > Wilson.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:57 am
  • That's cute that you think they make EITHER Super Bowl w/out Russ.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:50 am
  • Stud wrote:Well lets see, One QB (Mahomes) was the reason his team won the super bowl. The other (Wilson) hid behind the legion of boom and hasn't made it past the 2nd round since the LOB folded.

    In his 1st year, Mahomes threw over 50 TD's while Wilson hasn't even sniffed that yet.

    Mahomes > Wilson.


    At throwing interceptions. He has come down to earth without elite O-Line play.

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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:06 am
  • Stud wrote:Well lets see, One QB (Mahomes) was the reason his team won the super bowl. The other (Wilson) hid behind the legion of boom and hasn't made it past the 2nd round since the LOB folded.

    In his 1st year, Mahomes threw over 50 TD's while Wilson hasn't even sniffed that yet.

    Mahomes > Wilson.


    Mahomes was the reason? He was throwing to wide open receivers and enjoying a good run game and offensive line. Put Russ on that team and he'd put up even better numbers.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:58 pm
  • I was always saying PM's was overrated and sure it took defenses a little while to adjust
    to him and they have.
    They stopped blitzing and put another man underneath,double Kelce and there is a spy if
    PM's decides to go run sideways to buy time.
    I love it and yes their fan base is getting called by their players.Ha Ha
    BTW-I have always said Russ was better than him.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:41 pm
  • Mahomes is really showing off his eliteness 2nite. :shock:
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Wed Nov 03, 2021 2:55 pm
  • Fade wrote:
    getnasty wrote:
    Fade wrote:The previous 2 seasons he led the league in dropped INTs. They aren't dropping them anymore.

    Since the O-Line stopped playing at an elite level for him, he has been

    There are at least 10 QBs I would take over him right now.


    Curious what 10 quarterbacks? No fault of Andy Reid here either?


    Andy Reid is giving him easy throws, and they move the ball in spurts with WR screens, HB screens, Y stick, and the like. The O-Line play has affected him, and he is struggling to adjust to that.

    10 QBs I would take over Mahomes right now. Not longterm mind you, just right now. I think he will eventually work his way through this, but it could take some time, maybe a season or two.

    Josh Allen
    Dak Prescott
    Lamar Jackson
    Russell Wilson (If Healthy)
    Kyler Murray
    Aaron Rodgers
    Tom Brady
    Justin Herbert
    Ryan Tannehill
    Derek Carr

    Joe Burrow and Kirk Cousins are playing better than him as well if we're being honest.


    Ummmm. :lol:
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:37 pm
  • hawker84 wrote:
    Fade wrote:
    getnasty wrote:
    Fade wrote:The previous 2 seasons he led the league in dropped INTs. They aren't dropping them anymore.

    Since the O-Line stopped playing at an elite level for him, he has been

    There are at least 10 QBs I would take over him right now.


    Curious what 10 quarterbacks? No fault of Andy Reid here either?


    Andy Reid is giving him easy throws, and they move the ball in spurts with WR screens, HB screens, Y stick, and the like. The O-Line play has affected him, and he is struggling to adjust to that.

    10 QBs I would take over Mahomes right now. Not longterm mind you, just right now. I think he will eventually work his way through this, but it could take some time, maybe a season or two.

    Josh Allen
    Dak Prescott
    Lamar Jackson
    Russell Wilson (If Healthy)
    Kyler Murray
    Aaron Rodgers
    Tom Brady
    Justin Herbert
    Ryan Tannehill
    Derek Carr

    Joe Burrow and Kirk Cousins are playing better than him as well if we're being honest.


    Ummmm. :lol:




    Leading the league in picks, bails from clean pockets, can't extend plays like he once used too, struggles to go through his reads, mechanically is sloppy and is choosing to throw off platform when it is unnecessary. Teams stay in a 2 high shell and dare him to play real QB, he cannot, consistently.

    Mahomes is an incredible talent, but teams now have a book on him. He hasn't played at an elite level dating back to the later part of last season. He will work through this eventually.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:34 pm
  • Fade wrote:
    Andy Reid is giving him easy throws, and they move the ball in spurts with WR screens, HB screens, Y stick, and the like. The O-Line play has affected him, and he is struggling to adjust to that.
    .


    Mahome's problem is the same as Russell's problem, he either doesn't even look for, or refuses the easy check downs and wants to force the ball downfield.

    Now that the Chief's "new and improved" O-line is a dumpster fire, teams are just playing two high and taking away all of Mahomes middle to deep throws.

    Again, like Wilson he could Brady dink and dunk his way downfield, but he's impatient and is forcing the ball, and getting picked at a very high rate.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:27 pm
  • Josh Allen got abused by arguably the 2nd worst team in the NFL. Detroit is the worst team but Jags aren't too far behind them.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:12 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Fade wrote:
    Andy Reid is giving him easy throws, and they move the ball in spurts with WR screens, HB screens, Y stick, and the like. The O-Line play has affected him, and he is struggling to adjust to that.
    .


    Mahome's problem is the same as Russell's problem, he either doesn't even look for, or refuses the easy check downs and wants to force the ball downfield.

    Now that the Chief's "new and improved" O-line is a dumpster fire, teams are just playing two high and taking away all of Mahomes middle to deep throws.

    Again, like Wilson he could Brady dink and dunk his way downfield, but he's impatient and is forcing the ball, and getting picked at a very high rate.


    Wilson has been light years better than Mahomes this season. And unlike Wilson, Mahomes actually has a screen game to pad his numbers, if it wasn't for that Mahomes would go from disappointing to trainwreck.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:17 am
  • Fade wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Fade wrote:
    Andy Reid is giving him easy throws, and they move the ball in spurts with WR screens, HB screens, Y stick, and the like. The O-Line play has affected him, and he is struggling to adjust to that.
    .


    Mahome's problem is the same as Russell's problem, he either doesn't even look for, or refuses the easy check downs and wants to force the ball downfield.

    Now that the Chief's "new and improved" O-line is a dumpster fire, teams are just playing two high and taking away all of Mahomes middle to deep throws.

    Again, like Wilson he could Brady dink and dunk his way downfield, but he's impatient and is forcing the ball, and getting picked at a very high rate.


    Wilson has been light years better than Mahomes this season. And unlike Wilson, Mahomes actually has a screen game to pad his numbers, if it wasn't for that Mahomes would go from disappointing to trainwreck.


    Light years? Not sure how you can say that when Russell's been out for a month, and we were 2-3 when he got hurt and had the least amount of offensive snaps, first down and time of possession in the entire league.

    My statement holds true, both QB's are enamored with pushing the ball downfield and taking shots. Mahomes is pressing something fierce and his O-line is garbage which is compounding his erratic play.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:34 am
  • He is having a hard time checking down.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:38 pm
  • Shanegotyou11 wrote:He is having a hard time checking down.


    Which is weird, given that the Chiefs were basically a West Coast offense when Mahomes arrived. Smith would constantly check down to his TE and RB, which is largely the reason for that hilarious streak KC achieved where they had no WR TDs.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Sat Nov 13, 2021 12:34 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:Light years? Not sure how you can say that when Russell's been out for a month, and we were 2-3 when he got hurt and had the least amount of offensive snaps, first down and time of possession in the entire league. .

    One player has a 10-1 TD to INT ratio, 70+ completion % and is the league's highest rated passer.

    The other is leading the league in interceptions, and is struggling to come off his first read, and then panics.

    Sgt. Largent wrote:My statement holds true, both QB's are enamored with pushing the ball downfield and taking shots.

    No. One player runs an offense by a HC that is obsessed with throwing deep and hates dink and dunk, sometimes even having no checkdown available to throw to.

    The other is ignoring all players on the field except for his first read for 3 seconds, than panics and bails from a clean pocket. Wilson is not playing like this.

    Sgt. Largent wrote:Mahomes is pressing something fierce and his O-line is garbage which is compounding his erratic play.

    Patrick Mahomes has the 2nd highest graded O-Line via PFF through week 10.
    https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-10-offensive-line-rankings-2021

    Wilson would die and go to heaven to have guys like Orlando Brown, Joe Thuney, Creed Humphrey, and Trey Smith.

    Seattle has the 23rd rated O-Line with no long term building blocks. KC has 4 studs long term. Wilson would break all of the records with an offensive line like that. And here Mahomes is leading the league in INTs. Light-years.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:21 pm
  • Fade wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:Light years? Not sure how you can say that when Russell's been out for a month, and we were 2-3 when he got hurt and had the least amount of offensive snaps, first down and time of possession in the entire league. .

    One player has a 10-1 TD to INT ratio, 70+ completion % and is the league's highest rated passer.

    The other is leading the league in interceptions, and is struggling to come off his first read, and then panics.

    Sgt. Largent wrote:My statement holds true, both QB's are enamored with pushing the ball downfield and taking shots.

    No. One player runs an offense by a HC that is obsessed with throwing deep and hates dink and dunk, sometimes even having no checkdown available to throw to.

    The other is ignoring all players on the field except for his first read for 3 seconds, than panics and bails from a clean pocket. Wilson is not playing like this.

    Sgt. Largent wrote:Mahomes is pressing something fierce and his O-line is garbage which is compounding his erratic play.

    Patrick Mahomes has the 2nd highest graded O-Line via PFF through week 10.
    https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-10-offensive-line-rankings-2021

    Wilson would die and go to heaven to have guys like Orlando Brown, Joe Thuney, Creed Humphrey, and Trey Smith.

    Seattle has the 23rd rated O-Line with no long term building blocks. KC has 4 studs long term. Wilson would break all of the records with an offensive line like that. And here Mahomes is leading the league in INTs. Light-years.

    You're starting to scare me guy. Mahomes is and always will be top 1-5 to say Wilson would have more success in KC's offense is kind of a shallow approach if you will. Wilson's best success has always been under game management circumstances and having a solid D at his back. Imagine how many Rings Mahomes would have with a healthy LOB on his defense with Michael Bennett and Avril on the edges in their primes.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Sun Nov 14, 2021 1:05 am
  • ArlosSpecial wrote:
    Fade wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:Light years? Not sure how you can say that when Russell's been out for a month, and we were 2-3 when he got hurt and had the least amount of offensive snaps, first down and time of possession in the entire league. .

    One player has a 10-1 TD to INT ratio, 70+ completion % and is the league's highest rated passer.

    The other is leading the league in interceptions, and is struggling to come off his first read, and then panics.

    Sgt. Largent wrote:My statement holds true, both QB's are enamored with pushing the ball downfield and taking shots.

    No. One player runs an offense by a HC that is obsessed with throwing deep and hates dink and dunk, sometimes even having no checkdown available to throw to.

    The other is ignoring all players on the field except for his first read for 3 seconds, than panics and bails from a clean pocket. Wilson is not playing like this.

    Sgt. Largent wrote:Mahomes is pressing something fierce and his O-line is garbage which is compounding his erratic play.

    Patrick Mahomes has the 2nd highest graded O-Line via PFF through week 10.
    https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-10-offensive-line-rankings-2021

    Wilson would die and go to heaven to have guys like Orlando Brown, Joe Thuney, Creed Humphrey, and Trey Smith.

    Seattle has the 23rd rated O-Line with no long term building blocks. KC has 4 studs long term. Wilson would break all of the records with an offensive line like that. And here Mahomes is leading the league in INTs. Light-years.

    You're starting to scare me guy. Mahomes is and always will be top 1-5 to say Wilson would have more success in KC's offense is kind of a shallow approach if you will. Wilson's best success has always been under game management circumstances and having a solid D at his back. Imagine how many Rings Mahomes would have with a healthy LOB on his defense with Michael Bennett and Avril on the edges in their primes.


    Maybe, maybe not. Mahomes would also have much worse receivers, OL play, and freaking Bevell as his offensive coordinator vs Andy Reid. He would look like a much different QB under those circumstances.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:51 pm
  • ArlosSpecial wrote:You're starting to scare me guy. Mahomes is and always will be top 1-5 to say Wilson would have more success in KC's offense is kind of a shallow approach if you will. Wilson's best success has always been under game management circumstances and having a solid D at his back. Imagine how many Rings Mahomes would have with a healthy LOB on his defense with Michael Bennett and Avril on the edges in their primes.


    Mahomes wouldn't have survived the dreadful offensive line play, year in year out. Also, just stop and think. Do you see Russell Wilson leading the league in INTs with the #2 offensive line?

    Every analyst agrees right now, Mahomes is playing like crap. I was out in front of it, but everyone has now caught up, it is obvious.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:32 pm
  • Fade wrote:The previous 2 seasons he led the league in dropped INTs. They aren't dropping them anymore.

    Since the O-Line stopped playing at an elite level for him, he has been fairly pedestrian.

    There are at least 10 QBs I would take over him right now.


    He certainly doesn't look it, at all. Plays average and makes poor decisions.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:03 pm
  • PackerNation wrote:
    Fade wrote:The previous 2 seasons he led the league in dropped INTs. They aren't dropping them anymore.

    Since the O-Line stopped playing at an elite level for him, he has been fairly pedestrian.

    There are at least 10 QBs I would take over him right now.


    He certainly doesn't look it, at all. Plays average and makes poor decisions.



    Like milk...
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:19 pm


  • Holy hell, man. What a take.

    Carr and Tannehill over Mahomes.

    Hell, Wilson over Mahomes, lol.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:26 pm
  • Maelstrom787 wrote:

    Holy hell, man. What a take.

    Carr and Tannehill over Mahomes.

    Hell, Wilson over Mahomes, lol.




    Someone didn't watch the game last night. Doing some boxscore scouting are ya?

    Good on Andy Reed for staying aggressive, though. Pete would've shut down the offense weeks ago and neutered Mahomes.
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Re: Is Mahomes Even Elite?
Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:42 pm
  • Mahomes was always a bit overrated.

    Once I saw him struggle against NE in the 2018 AFC Championship Game, it made sense that his style of hero ball wasn't infallible. All games of his against NE have been like that, even last season when NE had a rather weak team.

    What Tampa did in the SB exposed him somewhat, but I think the level of beatdown might've given teams the actual confidence that they could no longer be in such awe of him. The 49ers did a very good job in the Super Bowl of holding him to 10 points until he could make his one big play (which we all know came from the dual fortune of a blown coverage and uncalled offensive holding), and the rest was history. If viewed fairly, Mahomes never played well in either Super Bowl.

    We used to say that Mahomes' highlights almost always had receivers that were pretty wide open. Even Wilson didn't have receivers that wide open all the time.

    He's definitely a very good QB, however in order for him to be a great QB going forward he has to improve within the system or have the system re-tailored to allow that. He's no longer able to just outperform a defense just based on his mobility and arm alone.

    Also on the conspiracy side, I have no doubts in my mind that Tampa crushing the Chiefs in the SB had maybe 40% to do with the Brady bias and the rest were legit issues with the OL. If it were just 1 or the other woulda been a close game, but together it was too much.

    Now we have many other QBs worthy of being the face of the league.

    Unfortunately this is a thing.
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