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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:33 am
  • SeatownJay wrote:If someone had told you at the beginning of the season that the M's would win 90 games this year, would you have believed them? I wouldn't have.


    I especially wouldn't have believed it if also told the run differential stat would be nearly 50 in the hole.

    And four of the five AL East teams notching 90+ wins, all potentially making the playoffs.

    Toronto needs to lose today!
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:19 pm
  • Why are they pitching to Ohtani with no one one on?
    Beyond Stupid!
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:34 pm
  • Wow choking in the biggest game of the season. Need the offense to pick up the slack.

    I’m going to be pretty upset if we lose and either the BOS or NYY lose. Not giving these guys any excuses. It is one game against a bad team, you need to win this.
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:17 pm
  • My complaint is that this final game was never about getting to the WS. Or the ALCS. Or the ALDS. It was simply about ending the playoff drought. Now, there isn't a single starting pitcher on this roster that you would ever want to schedule for the "big game." That being said, why Tyler Anderson?
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:19 pm
  • Man, its over.
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:45 pm
  • Hawk-Lock wrote:Wow choking in the biggest game of the season. Need the offense to pick up the slack.

    I’m going to be pretty upset if we lose and either the BOS or NYY lose. Not giving these guys any excuses. It is one game against a bad team, you need to win this.


    I'll be really disappointed too. Hell, I'm already really disappointed at the showing so far and it's still only the 6th inning.

    Buuuutttt... This team drastically overachieved to even be in this position in the first place, and let's be honest, they would most likely get curb stomped by any of the Yankees, Red Sox, or Blue Jays anyway.
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:50 pm
  • SeatownJay wrote:If someone had told you at the beginning of the season that the M's would win 90 games this year, would you have believed them? I wouldn't have.


    No.

    Absolutely no one thought this team was capable of winning 90 games.

    No one.
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:01 pm
  • Threedee wrote:My complaint is that this final game was never about getting to the WS. Or the ALCS. Or the ALDS. It was simply about ending the playoff drought. Now, there isn't a single starting pitcher on this roster that you would ever want to schedule for the "big game." That being said, why Tyler Anderson?


    Does it count as making the playoffs if you tie for the 2nd wildcard, but then lose that play in game, so you never actually were the 2nd wildcard and you never actually play in the wildcard game?
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:17 pm
  • Tough way to end the season, but it was a fun ride. Lots of ups and downs and we got to see a lot of our future. The younger guys got lots of great experience.

    Can't wait til next year. Will be an interesting offseason, or at least I hope so. :irishdrinkers:
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:29 pm
  • If they keep Kyle, they have to pay him $20 million next year, if I understand the contract correctly. Yeah, 90 wins was unthinkable for this team for sure. Going forward the focus should be on winning the division not dealing with wild card chaos.
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:56 pm
  • This team to their credit overachieved big time, which is a compliment.
    No way I expected 90 wins from this group.

    Like I said in previous posts it’s put up or shut up time from the front office and ownership group.
    Hopefully they will take notice that winning = butts in the seats which = $$$ in their coffers.

    Go out pick up some top of the rotation arms, don’t F around with the arbitration clock BS.
    If J- Rod and other prospects are good enough to make the team out of spring training they need to play from game 1 of the season.
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:33 pm
  • Sports Hernia wrote:This team to their credit overachieved big time, which is a compliment.
    No way I expected 90 wins from this group.

    Like I said in previous posts it’s put up or shut up time from the front office and ownership group.
    Hopefully they will take notice that winning = butts in the seats which = $$$ in their coffers.

    Go out pick up some top of the rotation arms, don’t F around with the arbitration clock BS.
    If J- Rod and other prospects are good enough to make the team out of spring training they need to play from game 1 of the season.


    They definitely overachieved. Their hitting is what needs improvement. Other than long bombs, most of the team can't bat over .230. Seager hitting .215, Kelenic and Moore under .200, Murphy .202, Bauers .220, etc. Team batting average was .226. Not many teams win 90 games with that average. Why they had solid pitching (especially the bullpen). Watch DiPoto blow that up and next season there will be a big drop off.
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:07 pm
  • Chapow wrote:
    Threedee wrote:My complaint is that this final game was never about getting to the WS. Or the ALCS. Or the ALDS. It was simply about ending the playoff drought. Now, there isn't a single starting pitcher on this roster that you would ever want to schedule for the "big game." That being said, why Tyler Anderson?


    Does it count as making the playoffs if you tie for the 2nd wildcard, but then lose that play in game, so you never actually were the 2nd wildcard and you never actually play in the wildcard game?

    No, we would have needed to win the play-in. I guess that memories of 1995 made me an optimist, though.
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:08 pm
  • Sports Hernia wrote:This team to their credit overachieved big time, which is a compliment.
    No way I expected 90 wins from this group.

    Like I said in previous posts it’s put up or shut up time from the front office and ownership group.
    Hopefully they will take notice that winning = butts in the seats which = $$$ in their coffers.

    Go out pick up some top of the rotation arms, don’t F around with the arbitration clock BS.
    If J- Rod and other prospects are good enough to make the team out of spring training they need to play from game 1 of the season.


    True. Hopefully Gilbert can make a huge step forward in the off-season.
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:14 pm
  • Overall it was a successful season but this series really rubbed me the wrong way. Typical Mariners. They controlled their own destiny, and managed to lose the series to an awful team, in front of huge crowd. On a day when four teams had to win to keep their hopes alive, all won….except the team that has the longest playoff drought.

    The last few days is exactly why the Mariners are the worst MLB franchise and have the longest playoff drought. People will sugarcoat it by saying they overachieved and shouldn’t have been here, which is true, but at some point you just need to win. Put aside the other 159 games, we should have won at least two of three from this series. The team came out flat and never had a chance.

    I’m done with my negative M’s rant. Next season is playoffs or bust. I want to see the front office spend at least $50 million in free agency. Go get an ace, 3B and either a 1B or DH. Obviously you can shuffle guys in the infield, but we need to add at least two impact bats and probably two impact arms to the rotation.

    I did like how the young guys finished, I’m hoping Kelenic and Gilbert can carry their success into next season.
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:17 pm
  • If the Mariners would have taken care of business in those earlier series against the Royals and Diamondbacks, they would not have been fighting for a play-in spot this weekend.
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:19 am
  • Threedee wrote:If the Mariners would have taken care of business in those earlier series against the Royals and Diamondbacks, they would not have been fighting for a play-in spot this weekend.


    A demonstration of how some teams just seem to have certain other teams' numbers, W/L records notwithstanding. Ms should not have lost as many as they did to Royals and Diamondbacks, but they did. On the other hand, the Ms would never had reached 90 wins had it not been for their total domination of the Oakland As, whom they faced more than just a series or two. Ms have the As to thank, in large part, for their 90 wins.
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:18 am
  • Really a nice surprise that this team was in the mix. Considering they were supposed to be average and maybe playoff level in 2022. That being said, you can't forget that they won 33 games by one run. That's not the same old Mariners, and that's exactly why they were in it this weekend. Easy to point at recent losses, but they were playing with house $ imo. What a great run, should be a hell of a 2022.
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:42 pm
  • Ruminator wrote:
    Threedee wrote:If the Mariners would have taken care of business in those earlier series against the Royals and Diamondbacks, they would not have been fighting for a play-in spot this weekend.


    A demonstration of how some teams just seem to have certain other teams' numbers, W/L records notwithstanding. Ms should not have lost as many as they did to Royals and Diamondbacks, but they did. On the other hand, the Ms would never had reached 90 wins had it not been for their total domination of the Oakland As, whom they faced more than just a series or two. Ms have the As to thank, in large part, for their 90 wins.


    Funny you mention this. I believe the Mariners would have been in a good position in the ALDS, because we have always had the Rays' number.

    OTOH, there is Houston. During their last year in last place, the Asterisks had a losing record against every applicable team in the MLB, except for one. Guess who that team was?
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:42 am
  • #1 - The last game didn't matter anyway since both the yankers and the stockings won.

    #2 - What was JK's batting average in his second go-round after being sent back to Tacoma? And month-by-month after coming back up? I don't know where to find stats like that, but it sure seemed like he wasn't a sub-.200 hitter towards the end of the season after figuring things out.
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:54 am
  • GeekHawk wrote:#1 - The last game didn't matter anyway since both the yankers and the stockings won.

    #2 - What was JK's batting average in his second go-round after being sent back to Tacoma? And month-by-month after coming back up? I don't know where to find stats like that, but it sure seemed like he wasn't a sub-.200 hitter towards the end of the season after figuring things out.

    I believe he was hitting in the .270-.280 range in September. That is from memory off of a TV broadcast, so I can't vouch for that precisely, but yes, he was hitting pretty accpetably late in the season, including against left handed pitchers. He was pretty solid starting in August IIRC and continuing to the end.
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:18 am
  • That's about what I thought. Anyone who says "JK can't hit the Mendoza Line" isn't looking at reality IMHO. I look for him to be a valuable contributor and possibly a star next year.
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:18 am
  • GeekHawk wrote:That's about what I thought. Anyone who says "JK can't hit the Mendoza Line" isn't looking at reality IMHO. I look for him to be a valuable contributor and possibly a star next year.

    I don't think anybody was saying that. I know I wasn't. I did think they called him up too soon, and compounded that by having him bat leadoff for several weeks. Dumbest thing ever, IMHO. When they called him up the second time I thought they handled it pretty well. It took him a while, but hey he's a rookie.

    I imagine he'll do fine next year with a full spring and he'll stay where he is in center field come next April.
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:13 pm
  • sutz wrote:
    GeekHawk wrote:#1 - The last game didn't matter anyway since both the yankers and the stockings won.

    #2 - What was JK's batting average in his second go-round after being sent back to Tacoma? And month-by-month after coming back up? I don't know where to find stats like that, but it sure seemed like he wasn't a sub-.200 hitter towards the end of the season after figuring things out.

    I believe he was hitting in the .270-.280 range in September. That is from memory off of a TV broadcast, so I can't vouch for that precisely, but yes, he was hitting pretty accpetably late in the season, including against left handed pitchers. He was pretty solid starting in August IIRC and continuing to the end.

    Actually thought is was a bit lower but I could be wrong about that.
    He has hit at every level and showed flashes of talent. That homerun off of Ohtani In Cali was pretty epic.

    Gotta remember he is 22 years old and is a very emotional player.
    Love the stuff he’s said both postgame and on Twitter the past couple of days.

    Once he get his emotions under control and relaxes on the field the natural talent will take over.

    PS. This post wasn’t aimed at Sutz or anyone specific, just a general statement.
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:19 pm
  • Not taking it personal, I was just repeating from memory, which could be off. I know at the end of the season I wasn't cringing when he stood up to bat, at least not like I was at the end of April. :twisted:

    He should be good with a full spring training at the major level without any of the worries of a guy trying to "win a spot" as it were. He's in now.
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:14 pm
  • sutz wrote:Not taking it personal, I was just repeating from memory, which could be off. I know at the end of the season I wasn't cringing when he stood up to bat, at least not like I was at the end of April. :twisted:

    He should be good with a full spring training at the major level without any of the worries of a guy trying to "win a spot" as it were. He's in now.

    Agree. Love the genuine positivity toward the fanbase and in general from him.
    Like I said, once he gets the mental part of MLB a figured out, the physical part will follow.
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:20 pm
  • Chris Taylor only needed to stop being a Mariner to progress as a player.
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:11 am
  • Threedee wrote:Chris Taylor only needed to stop being a Mariner to progress as a player.


    Nothing new about that! From the very start to about 1993 or so the Mariners were the AAAA farm club for the rest of the MLB.
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:44 pm
  • GeekHawk wrote:#1 - The last game didn't matter anyway since both the yankers and the stockings won.

    #2 - What was JK's batting average in his second go-round after being sent back to Tacoma? And month-by-month after coming back up? I don't know where to find stats like that, but it sure seemed like he wasn't a sub-.200 hitter towards the end of the season after figuring things out.


    The splits section on ESPN

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/player/splits/ ... ed-kelenic
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Re: The 2021 Seattle Mariners thread
Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:53 pm
  • Chris Taylor represents every decision the Mariners made after the departure of Pat Gillick.
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