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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:35 am
  • From what I have read he will be going pro next year wether in the NBA or Europe (most likely Europe).
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:26 pm
  • Natethegreat wrote:From what I have read he will be going pro next year wether in the NBA or Europe (most likely Europe).


    It will be in Europe. He's too slow for the NBA.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Sat Jan 02, 2016 10:37 pm
  • Hah Zags suck, there about to lose to San Francisco.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:47 am
  • You spoke to soon it seems. Definitely a down year for the Zags with Karnowski out. But they are learning to win without him now.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:04 am
  • Think we're gonna see a lot of those type of games as in 2, 3, 4 point wins over teams they used to beat by 20. Also would be shocked if they didn't lose in round one or two of the tourney.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:20 pm
  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:Also would be shocked if they didn't lose in round one or two of the tourney.


    I believe that's known as "normal" for Gonzaga. :D
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:41 pm
  • Hasselbeck wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:Also would be shocked if they didn't lose in round one or two of the tourney.


    I believe that's known as "normal" for Gonzaga. :D

    Not always. There's been a couple three Sweet 16s and 2 Elite Eights since the mid-90s. Huskies would kill for that. So would Ducks, Cougs, Beavs, Red Hawks (Seattle U., my alma mater) and every other program in the NW.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:41 pm
  • The Zags failed big time in their non-conference schedule. I don't see them cracking the top 25 unless they can somehow pull an upset against SMU in February. Road wins against against St Mary's and BYU could help them, but I'm not sure those are even considered "quality" wins.

    Zags played 4 tough non-conference games, and went 1-3. Pretty much shows where they would be at if they played in a power conference.

    On a good note, if Karnowski is allowed to red shirt this year and Sabonis chooses to come back, then they could be good next year with the addition of Nigel Williams Goss.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:15 pm
  • Hawk-Lock wrote:The Zags failed big time in their non-conference schedule. I don't see them cracking the top 25 unless they can somehow pull an upset against SMU in February. Road wins against against St Mary's and BYU could help them, but I'm not sure those are even considered "quality" wins.

    Zags played 4 tough non-conference games, and went 1-3. Pretty much shows where they would be at if they played in a power conference.

    On a good note, if Karnowski is allowed to red shirt this year and Sabonis chooses to come back, then they could be good next year with the addition of Nigel Williams Goss.

    What do you think the chances of Sabomis coming back are? IMO, they're slim.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:46 am
  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    Hawk-Lock wrote:The Zags failed big time in their non-conference schedule. I don't see them cracking the top 25 unless they can somehow pull an upset against SMU in February. Road wins against against St Mary's and BYU could help them, but I'm not sure those are even considered "quality" wins.

    Zags played 4 tough non-conference games, and went 1-3. Pretty much shows where they would be at if they played in a power conference.

    On a good note, if Karnowski is allowed to red shirt this year and Sabonis chooses to come back, then they could be good next year with the addition of Nigel Williams Goss.

    What do you think the chances of Sabomis coming back are? IMO, they're slim.


    I would guess less than a 50% chance that he returns.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Thu Jan 07, 2016 2:42 pm
  • Hawk-Lock wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    Hawk-Lock wrote:The Zags failed big time in their non-conference schedule. I don't see them cracking the top 25 unless they can somehow pull an upset against SMU in February. Road wins against against St Mary's and BYU could help them, but I'm not sure those are even considered "quality" wins.

    Zags played 4 tough non-conference games, and went 1-3. Pretty much shows where they would be at if they played in a power conference.

    On a good note, if Karnowski is allowed to red shirt this year and Sabonis chooses to come back, then they could be good next year with the addition of Nigel Williams Goss.

    What do you think the chances of Sabomis coming back are? IMO, they're slim.


    I would guess less than a 50% chance that he returns.

    Ditto, unfortunately.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:49 pm
  • At this rate, Zags may have to win their conference tournament if they want to make the NCAA Tournament. BYU just beat them for the second year in a row in The Kennel.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Fri Jan 15, 2016 2:02 pm
  • Agreed. It is shocking how completely lacking in depth this team has. They're on a 8 man rotation with only about 4 players the really trust.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Fri Jan 15, 2016 2:35 pm
  • When Sabonis gets in foul trouble, which is frankly too often, this team struggles because Wiltjer is all they've got. He was in foul trouble all night last night and they lost.

    Been a while since the Zags were this average, or maybe slightly above.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:07 am
  • This year Sabonis has managed his fouls much better. Thursday was an exception.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:42 am
  • This is a bottom third of the Pac-12 team.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:49 am
  • Tical21 wrote:This is a bottom third of the Pac-12 team.


    Zags beat UW pretty handily, and UW currently lead the Pac-12.

    They're having a down year but a Gonzaga down year still would put them in the top half of the Pac-12.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:42 am
  • Hawkstorian wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:This is a bottom third of the Pac-12 team.


    Zags beat UW pretty handily, and UW currently lead the Pac-12.

    They're having a down year but a Gonzaga down year still would put them in the top half of the Pac-12.

    Don't forget they played Arizona down to the wire albeit at home and they're really the best team in the Pac.
    Wet siders just won't admit it though 'storian, but yeah you're right. Can't have anything better on the east side you know.


    I'll say it again, if the success Gonzaga has enjoyed and worked for over the last 20+ years was instead the other Jesuit school in the state, Seattle U., all you wet siders would be all over how awesome they are. But since a Spokane school you won't give 'em squat for credit. How provincial.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:21 am
  • 'wet siders"

    Haha, haven't heard that one before. I'm definitely going to use that often!
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:28 am
  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    Hawkstorian wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:This is a bottom third of the Pac-12 team.


    Zags beat UW pretty handily, and UW currently lead the Pac-12.

    They're having a down year but a Gonzaga down year still would put them in the top half of the Pac-12.




    I'll say it again, if the success Gonzaga has enjoyed and worked for over the last 20+ years was instead the other Jesuit school in the state, Seattle U., all you wet siders would be all over how awesome they are. But since a Spokane school you won't give 'em squat for credit. How provincial.

    That's laughable. I lived on the east side for several years, and any disrespect towards their program is a direct result of the way they and their fans carry themselves. I would not feel any differently if it was Seattle U that was playing a JV schedule to get themselves into the tournament every year only to annually disappoint. I'd be asking the same question: when are you going to play in a big-boy conference? They get up for three games a year, play well in those games, and then crap on themselves in the tournament. Rinse, repeat. I'd love to see what happens when they have to bring it twice a week in-conference. It'll never happen. They love the proud feeling beating up on nobodies to win 25 a year too much.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:48 pm
  • Tical21 wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    Hawkstorian wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:This is a bottom third of the Pac-12 team.


    Zags beat UW pretty handily, and UW currently lead the Pac-12.

    They're having a down year but a Gonzaga down year still would put them in the top half of the Pac-12.




    I'll say it again, if the success Gonzaga has enjoyed and worked for over the last 20+ years was instead the other Jesuit school in the state, Seattle U., all you wet siders would be all over how awesome they are. But since a Spokane school you won't give 'em squat for credit. How provincial.

    That's laughable. I lived on the east side for several years, and any disrespect towards their program is a direct result of the way they and their fans carry themselves. I would not feel any differently if it was Seattle U that was playing a JV schedule to get themselves into the tournament every year only to annually disappoint. I'd be asking the same question: when are you going to play in a big-boy conference? They get up for three games a year, play well in those games, and then crap on themselves in the tournament. Rinse, repeat. I'd love to see what happens when they have to bring it twice a week in-conference. It'll never happen. They love the proud feeling beating up on nobodies to win 25 a year too much.

    2 Elite Eights and (off the top of my head) 3 or 4 Sweet 16s in a 20 year period isn't crappimg the bed.

    As for their conference, where are they supposed to play since they don't have football?
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:26 pm
  • Right now Lundardi has the Zags in the dance as a #9 seed. I will say this though, there is very little room for them to get a better seed. Beating the Santa Clara's and Portland's of the world aren't exactly resume builders. They can still get quality wins against BYU and St Mary's. If they can beat SMU that would be huge, but I doubt that will happen.

    Lunardi also has 8 Pac-12 teams in the dance, yet the leaders of the Pac12, the Huskies are not included :x
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:52 pm
  • Hawk-Lock wrote:Right now Lundardi has the Zags in the dance as a #9 seed. I will say this though, there is very little room for them to get a better seed. Beating the Santa Clara's and Portland's of the world aren't exactly resume builders. They can still get quality wins against BYU and St Mary's. If they can beat SMU that would be huge, but I doubt that will happen.

    Lunardi also has 8 Pac-12 teams in the dance, yet the leaders of the Pac12, the Huskies are not included :x

    Zags seed will be lower IMO, like an eleven or twelve and that would be fair.
    Hope Dawgs get in.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:20 pm
  • I think they have to win their conference tournament to get in now. They lost to St Mary's a couple days ago and are now in a tight game with Pacific.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:53 pm
  • Hawk-Lock wrote:I think they have to win their conference tournament to get in now. They lost to St Mary's a couple days ago.....

    I agree, and I'm not so sure they can get that done, especially vs. St. Mary's.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:58 pm
  • 18 years in a row. No matter your conference, that's a hell of an accomplishment.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:59 am
  • In their 17 straight appearances in the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament prior to this season, the Gonzaga Bulldogs have accomplished the following:


    14 of those 17 years they have advanced to at least the 2nd round

    6 times they have made it to the Sweet Sixteen

    2 times they have made the Elite Eight



    THE premier men's basketball program in the Northwest and one of the premier programs on the west coast since 1999.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:41 pm
  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:In their 17 straight appearances in the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament prior to this season, the Gonzaga Bulldogs have accomplished the following:


    14 of those 17 years they have advanced to at least the 2nd round

    6 times they have made it to the Sweet Sixteen

    2 times they have made the Elite Eight



    THE premier men's basketball program in the Northwest and one of the premier programs on the west coast since 1999.


    I can't really argue with that, even as a husky fan. Depending on the draw they could be one and done or make a run. Guard play has stepped it up as of late, that will need to continue. Should be interesting to see if St Mary's makes the dance. Probably not, but if they do I think they have the type of team that could make a sweet 16 run.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:30 am
  • I keep seeing predictions with Gonzaga vs UO in the round of 32. I would love that matchup, even if it's in Spokane. The zags have hid for to long from UO.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:44 am
  • CPHawk wrote:I keep seeing predictions with Gonzaga vs UO in the round of 32. I would love that matchup, even if it's in Spokane. The zags have hid for to long from UO.

    The Zags have hid(den) from UO for to(o) long? Really? They're willing to play teams like Memphis, Connecticut, Missouri, etc. when they were top 10 teams but not Oregon who just this season hit that level. Utterly laughable statement. They will play anyone, anywhere and have to because of the weakness (at times perceived, at times legit) of the conference they play in.



    All that said, I watched the Ducks last night and I don't think Gonzaga beats them if they do meet up in the tournament.






    Hawk-Lock wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:In their 17 straight appearances in the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament prior to this season, the Gonzaga Bulldogs have accomplished the following:


    14 of those 17 years they have advanced to at least the 2nd round

    6 times they have made it to the Sweet Sixteen

    2 times they have made the Elite Eight



    THE premier men's basketball program in the Northwest and one of the premier programs on the west coast since 1999.


    I can't really argue with that, even as a husky fan. Depending on the draw they could be one and done or make a run. Guard play has stepped it up as of late, that will need to continue. Should be interesting to see if St Mary's makes the dance. Probably not, but if they do I think they have the type of team that could make a sweet 16 run.

    Agree with everything you said. Zags out in round 1 wouldn't surprise me. Zags in Sweet 16 wouldn't surprise me. But for that to happen they must continue to get that improved guard play.
    St. Mary's should make the dance but like you I have a feeling they won't.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:44 am
  • I really hope the Zags don't get placed in Spokane. That just isn't fair. As a committee, you can't reward teams with poor seeds. You just can't.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:48 am
  • Hawk-Lock wrote:I really hope the Zags don't get placed in Spokane. That just isn't fair. As a committee, you can't reward teams with poor seeds. You just can't.

    Won't happen, and as you said it shouldn't. The Ducks will likely be there though.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Sun Mar 13, 2016 3:41 pm
  • seton hall will be tough but zags could reach the sweet 16
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Sun Mar 13, 2016 4:17 pm
  • Seton Hall will beat the Zags I'm pretty sure of that. Honestly don't care though. I'm impressed with the job Few has done this year regardless of what happens.
    Curious to see if Karnowski comes back and if Sabonis will declare.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Sun Mar 13, 2016 5:01 pm
  • Natethegreat wrote:Seton Hall will beat the Zags I'm pretty sure of that. Honestly don't care though. I'm impressed with the job Few has done this year regardless of what happens.
    Curious to see if Karnowski comes back and if Sabonis will declare.

    How good are Seton Hall's guards? That will determine who wins IMO as that's the Zags' weakness.

    No idea about Karnowski though the rumors I've heard is that he'll go pro in Europe (too slow for NBA). As for Sabonis. I have heard nothing but I can tell you if I were him, I'd declare the second my season was over. I've watched one officiating crew after another call one or two ticky tack, $h!t fouls on him game after game after game this year. Don't know if he said something to a ref one time and he now has a bad rep or what, but he's been singled out and it's as obvious as Michael Bennett getting held endlessly and OTs never getting called for it.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:29 pm
  • Seton Hall will beat them IMO. I've watched a ton of their games this year, and they are arguably the hottest team in college hoops right now. They just won their conference tournament by beating two top 10 teams in Xavier and Villanova. Isaiah Whitehead is an absolute stud, he might be the best player in the Big East. And they have a bunch of other really good pieces. Wiltjer will get exposed on defense, Seton Hall is REALLY atheltic and can get up and down the court.

    My post is nothing against the Zags. I actually thought Seton Hall would make a run in this tournament before the bracket was even released. Just a tough draw for the Zags.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Sun Mar 13, 2016 7:23 pm
  • Hawk-Lock wrote:Seton Hall will beat them IMO. I've watched a ton of their games this year, and they are arguably the hottest team in college hoops right now. They just won their conference tournament by beating two top 10 teams in Xavier and Villanova. Isaiah Whitehead is an absolute stud, he might be the best player in the Big East. And they have a bunch of other really good pieces. Wiltjer will get exposed on defense, Seton Hall is REALLY atheltic and can get up and down the court.

    My post is nothing against the Zags. I actually thought Seton Hall would make a run in this tournament before the bracket was even released. Just a tough draw for the Zags.

    I agree, tough draw for us. Like you said Wiltjer will struggle mightily to guard as always but especially this game. As Barkley would say he is turrible at defense. Slowest feet I have ever seen.
    They might think about moving him to center for this game though as Seton Hall isn't exactly big.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Sun Mar 13, 2016 8:33 pm
  • Hawk-Lock wrote:Seton Hall will beat them IMO. I've watched a ton of their games this year, and they are arguably the hottest team in college hoops right now. They just won their conference tournament by beating two top 10 teams in Xavier and Villanova. Isaiah Whitehead is an absolute stud, he might be the best player in the Big East. And they have a bunch of other really good pieces. Wiltjer will get exposed on defense, Seton Hall is REALLY atheltic and can get up and down the court.

    My post is nothing against the Zags. I actually thought Seton Hall would make a run in this tournament before the bracket was even released. Just a tough draw for the Zags.

    Thanks for the scouting report on SH. Discouraging as a Zags fan to be sure, but just getting into the tourney this year was looking like a longshot just a month ago so.........
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:26 am
  • Teams have definitely attacked Wiltjer on defense. It's a shame because he has a shot at the NBA if he could be something other than a complete zero on the defensive side.

    Definitely a tough first round matchup, but also just a tough year all around. They're playing with 6 guys right now. Next year they have more help coming and the team should be better. I think Sabonis comes back unless he's projected into the lottery. Right now he's ranked somewhere low first round. Karnowski may also come back so along with Zach Collins the front line might actually be better than this year.

    If the young guards continue to improve Zags should get back to being a 4 - 6 seed next year.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:12 am
  • Hawkstorian wrote:Teams have definitely attacked Wiltjer on defense. It's a shame because he has a shot at the NBA if he could be something other than a complete zero on the defensive side.

    Definitely a tough first round matchup, but also just a tough year all around. They're playing with 6 guys right now. Next year they have more help coming and the team should be better. I think Sabonis comes back unless he's projected into the lottery. Right now he's ranked somewhere low first round. Karnowski may also come back so along with Zach Collins the front line might actually be better than this year.

    If the young guards continue to improve Zags should get back to being a 4 - 6 seed next year.

    I saw Sabonis projected as the 13th pick in the mock I saw. Sure hope you're right about he and Karnowski coming back. If they both do, I agree with you on next year's seed.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Mon Mar 14, 2016 11:39 am
  • I think Sabonis benefits from another year in college. He's been dominant at times, but usually against lower compeition. Teams that game-planned for him have had success denying him the ball inside. He needs to get a little stronger.

    He's talented and I think he'll be a solid pro. He's already an NBA-ready rebounder IMO.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:45 pm
  • I think Sabonis is gone because most of the mocks have him as a consensus lottery pick. Very rarely do you see players pass that up, that is guaranteed money. Not to mention this is considered a weak draft, so by opting to play another year he could slip in next year's draft due to a spike in talent.

    The one thing that would give me hope about him returning is that I heard one of the announcers say that he loves being in college. And another is that he likely does not need money right now. Whereas a kid like DeJounte Murray who grew up in a rough neighborhood outside of Seattle and doesn't have a lot of money, we all know the Sabonis family is very well off.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:35 pm
  • Hawk-Lock wrote:Seton Hall will beat them IMO. I've watched a ton of their games this year, and they are arguably the hottest team in college hoops right now. They just won their conference tournament by beating two top 10 teams in Xavier and Villanova. Isaiah Whitehead is an absolute stud, he might be the best player in the Big East. And they have a bunch of other really good pieces. Wiltjer will get exposed on defense, Seton Hall is REALLY atheltic and can get up and down the court.

    My post is nothing against the Zags. I actually thought Seton Hall would make a run in this tournament before the bracket was even released. Just a tough draw for the Zags.


    Seton Hall is really tough no doubt, but the Zags strengths in the frontcourt give SH a lot of problems. It will be a pretty good game as both teams are stacked in the area where the other is weak.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:40 pm
  • I'll say it again, if the success Gonzaga has enjoyed and worked for over the last 20+ years was instead the other Jesuit school in the state, Seattle U., all you wet siders would be all over how awesome they are. But since a Spokane school you won't give 'em squat for credit. How provincial.[/quote]
    That's laughable. I lived on the east side for several years, and any disrespect towards their program is a direct result of the way they and their fans carry themselves. I would not feel any differently if it was Seattle U that was playing a JV schedule to get themselves into the tournament every year only to annually disappoint. I'd be asking the same question: when are you going to play in a big-boy conference? They get up for three games a year, play well in those games, and then crap on themselves in the tournament. Rinse, repeat. I'd love to see what happens when they have to bring it twice a week in-conference. It'll never happen. They love the proud feeling beating up on nobodies to win 25 a year too much.[/quote]
    2 Elite Eights and (off the top of my head) 3 or 4 Sweet 16s in a 20 year period isn't crappimg the bed.

    As for their conference, where are they supposed to play since they don't have football?[/quote]
    Thought it would be cool to point out that Seattle U played in the final 4 with Elgin Baylor..I root for the Zags every year or any Washington team that gets in but it's funny none have gotten further than Seattle U.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:38 pm
  • 1958 I believe Indy.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Tue Mar 15, 2016 4:34 pm
  • Vegas likes the Bulldogs, Zags are favored by 1.5 over Seton Hall.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:18 pm
  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:1958 I believe Indy.

    Yes it was and Seattle played Kentucky for the title.The funny thing is the game was played in Louisville,Kentucky.Talk about home court just about.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:12 pm
  • Good game so far. I always love watching two contrasting style teams play each other. Zags need to keep it in the half court if they want to win.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:25 pm
  • Wow, I'm surprised we won so handily didn't see that coming. Ugly game over all but the Zag defense has been good all year. I don't see us winning against Utah either but who knows.
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Re: 2015 - 2016 Zags Thread
Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:32 pm
  • I'm surprised at the Zags win too, but of course very happy. Didn't get to watch as I was working. :(

    Good call on the defensive play Nate. They held Whitehead to 4-24 shooting. Wow.

    As for Utah, I don't know if they'll win but I think they'll be in it til the end. GO ZAGS!!
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