Zebulon Dak wrote:Us: This movie is ok. There's stuff we like, stuff we don't like.

Roland: eXpLaIn HoW iTs BrIlLiAnT

Pretty much.

The inability of you two to understand that you can love something while admitting it's not great is just mind-boggling.

It's ok to love the new trilogy. Arbitrarily defending it as being very good or great is where the rank stench of manure enters.

Nothing's going to change it because since you love it, it has to be great, so...whatever. Go see it 73 more times and bump those sales numbers to justify your position more, Zeb. The new trilogy can sit right up there with the McDonald's hamburgers are great because look at the sales trope.

RolandDeschain wrote:The inability of you two to understand that you can love something while admitting it's not great is just mind-boggling.

It's ok to love the new trilogy. Arbitrarily defending it as being very good or great is where the rank stench of manure enters.

Nothing's going to change it because since you love it, it has to be great, so...whatever. Go see it 73 more times and bump those sales numbers to justify your position more, Zeb. The new trilogy can sit right up there with the McDonald's hamburgers are great because look at the sales trope.

These are like the mad rantings of a lunatic.

Maulbert wrote:

chris98251 wrote:The problem with Star Wars is that one persons vision was not continued from start to finish and it was owned by too many Studios and their Cronies, add to that they started trying to use parts as social platforms. It's a continuity thing.

The last part is that it has stretched out over a period of time that is really too long for one story arc and you lose that attachment you initially felt and rely on memory as well as the technology changes so that the movies don't appear to have the same quality.

The problem with the prequels was that it was one man's vision. People constantly questioned Lucas's decisions on the original film, which led it to be tighter and better than his original vision. On Empire, Lucas hired his film professor from USC as director, giving him the ability to question Lucas's bad ideas, and led to a better film. Jedi came out after Lucas fell out with Gary Kurtz, who had held Lucas's wilder impulses in check, and was directed by a yes man. Jedi was weaker for it. NO ONE questioned Lucas on the prequels, and it shows. Someone needed to reign in his bad ideas, and the movies suffered for it.

Yes there were some differences but over all the films still hit home runs, didn't matter if it was Ruth one film, Gehrig another and then Ken Griffey. They were made in one generation so to speak so the interest and feelings or attachments were still there.

The same person was driving them for the most part and while I agree having yes men versus critical thinking challenging you to step up or re think things is important for quality, time hurt things more then anything else and evolving technology separating the films across multiple generations to complete the story.

Imagine The Lord of the Rings having one film released every 15 years. People would be interested but it would never have the magic of having them filmed back to back and then released in sequence.

I think Star Wars lost that opportunity, they still are popular but as I said Continuity between films, generations, writer and director and studios vision was lost. Lucas had so much success so fast I think he like George Martin got off his creative vision for the story so to speak also.

Zebulon Dak wrote:These are like the mad rantings of a lunatic.

See, this is a common psychological reaction that lets your subconscious mind justify ignoring anything I say about anything.

Do continue!

RolandDeschain wrote:The inability of you two to understand that you can love something while admitting it's not great is just mind-boggling.

It's ok to love the new trilogy. Arbitrarily defending it as being very good or great is where the rank stench of manure enters.

Nothing's going to change it because since you love it, it has to be great, so...whatever. Go see it 73 more times and bump those sales numbers to justify your position more, Zeb. The new trilogy can sit right up there with the McDonald's hamburgers are great because look at the sales trope.

I love the Rise of Skywalker. When have I said it was good? Typical Roland. Ignore what proves you wrong.

Maulbert wrote:

RolandDeschain wrote:The inability of you two to understand that you can love something while admitting it's not great is just mind-boggling.

It's ok to love the new trilogy. Arbitrarily defending it as being very good or great is where the rank stench of manure enters.

Nothing's going to change it because since you love it, it has to be great, so...whatever. Go see it 73 more times and bump those sales numbers to justify your position more, Zeb. The new trilogy can sit right up there with the McDonald's hamburgers are great because look at the sales trope.

I love the Rise of Skywalker. When have I said it was good? Typical Roland. Ignore what proves you wrong.

I never even said I loved it. The guy thinks he can read minds when he can't even read posts.

Zebulon Dak wrote:I never even said I loved it. The guy thinks he can read minds when he can't even read posts.

Lord knows nothing could ever be inferred by other words. Man, I wish I was as smart as you.

RolandDeschain wrote:

Zebulon Dak wrote:I never even said I loved it. The guy thinks he can read minds when he can't even read posts.

Lord knows nothing could ever be inferred by other words. Man, I wish I was as smart as you.

I do too. I really do.

So....got rid of the Skywalkers finally and ended up with something much worse...a damn Palpatine. There was a lot of cheap crap in this movie, but it was at least entertaining. I liked the "nobody" arch much more than what we ended up with and wanted more for Rey, but at least she isn't a whiny b!@ch. The callbacks need to end. Write some original content and fricking move forward.

Mandalorian is definitely on the right path, however.

RolandDeschain wrote:

Zebulon Dak wrote:I never even said I loved it. The guy thinks he can read minds when he can't even read posts.

Lord knows nothing could ever be inferred by other words. Man, I wish I was as smart as you.

You always assume we mean one thing when we say another. Maybe you should stop inferring and just realize we mean what we say? You constantly act as though you know us better than ourselves, and on top of it showing you to be both arrogant and pompous, it makes you look dumb, which I KNOW you aren't. I think you're probably one of the smartest people here, but you're way to damn obsessed with trying to prove it for it to ever matter.

I used to be so much like you, it hurts.

vin.couve12 wrote:So....got rid of the Skywalkers finally and ended up with something much worse...a damn Palpatine. There was a lot of cheap crap in this movie, but it was at least entertaining. I liked the "nobody" arch much more than what we ended up with and wanted more for Rey, but at least she isn't a whiny b!@ch. The callbacks need to end. Write some original content and fricking move forward.

Mandalorian is definitely on the right path, however.

I think they felt like they could make old fans happy by including all the old sh*t and make new fans by introducing the new characters, thought they could find a balance there, and it sort of back fired on them. But I understand and think they felt like they just had to get all this out of their (and our) system, and now we'll see them go in different directions in the future. Which I think has just as much of a chance of backfiring because if they don't hold on to a certain aesthetic and tone the franchise runs the risk of becoming very generic. I guess it depends on exactly what it is that makes Star Wars different from all the other sci-fi/dystopian/post-apocalyptic franchises. What keeps Star Wars from becoming just another Hunger Games/Maze Runner/Divergent?

FWIW, as universally enjoyed as The Mandalorian has been, it's packed full of a metric sh*t ton of call backs and references (like literally 10% of the dialogue in this show is lines from the old movies verbatim). I wouldn't expect the Obi-Wan or Cassian Andor series to be much different, but hopefully just as good.

The real test is going to be what they do with the next movies. We've apparently got an announcement coming in Jan as to what the next movie will be and who will be directing it. We've got Kevin Feige apparently working on something and we've still supposedly got Rian Johnson working on a trilogy. I imagine all of those things won't come to fruition but something will eventually come out of all of that. And I wouldn't be surprised to see Kathleen Kennedy "step down" as president and somebody with a more creative role take over (Favreau? Feige? Filoni? Haven't heard from Pablo Hidalgo in a while...?).

So, other than The Mandalorian, what are you people watching on Disney+?

SeatownJay wrote:So, other than The Mandalorian, what are you people watching on Disney+?

I watched a few old movies. That Darn Cat, Snowball Express, The Apple Dumpling Gang, The Story of Robin Hood and His Merrie Men (the live action Disney Robin Hood almost no one remembers).

SeatownJay wrote:So, other than The Mandalorian, what are you people watching on Disney+?

I just started the Imagineering documentary. The first episode is very good; Walt Disney was a genius.

The only other thing I've watched so far is 3-4 episodes of The Imagineering Story. Oh and I watched that Christmas movie Noelle but I didn't pay very close attention. It was pretty silly.

RolandDeschain wrote:The inability of you two to understand that you can love something while admitting it's not great is just mind-boggling.

It's ok to love the new trilogy. Arbitrarily defending it as being very good or great is where the rank stench of manure enters.

Nothing's going to change it because since you love it, it has to be great, so...whatever. Go see it 73 more times and bump those sales numbers to justify your position more, Zeb. The new trilogy can sit right up there with the McDonald's hamburgers are great because look at the sales trope.

Are you saying McDonald's hamburgers aren't great?

chris98251 wrote:The problem with Star Wars is that one persons vision was not continued from start to finish and it was owned by too many Studios and their Cronies, add to that they started trying to use parts as social platforms. It's a continuity thing.

The last part is that it has stretched out over a period of time that is really too long for one story arc and you lose that attachment you initially felt and rely on memory as well as the technology changes so that the movies don't appear to have the same quality.

This. All those little things add up.

https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-disney-pl ... skywalker/

The upcoming Disney+ Obi-Wan Kenobi series looks to be featuring another familiar Star Wars face.

According to Daniel Richtman, a new casting grid has surfaced for the series, and while there's little in way of plot details, it does confirm the show is looking to cast a young Luke Skywalker.

AFAIK this is supposed to be set about 8 years after RoTS? So they could probably cast any skinny little dirty dishwater blonde boy and it'll be fine. 8 year olds can't act anyway. 8 year olds, dude.

Zebulon Dak wrote:https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-disney-plus-obi-wan-young-luke-skywalker/

The upcoming Disney+ Obi-Wan Kenobi series looks to be featuring another familiar Star Wars face.

According to Daniel Richtman, a new casting grid has surfaced for the series, and while there's little in way of plot details, it does confirm the show is looking to cast a young Luke Skywalker.

AFAIK this is supposed to be set about 8 years after RoTS? So they could probably cast any skinny little dirty dishwater blonde boy and it'll be fine. 8 year olds can't act anyway. 8 year olds, dude.

Haley Joel Osment was pretty good around that age.

Maulbert wrote:

Zebulon Dak wrote:https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-disney-plus-obi-wan-young-luke-skywalker/

The upcoming Disney+ Obi-Wan Kenobi series looks to be featuring another familiar Star Wars face.

According to Daniel Richtman, a new casting grid has surfaced for the series, and while there's little in way of plot details, it does confirm the show is looking to cast a young Luke Skywalker.

AFAIK this is supposed to be set about 8 years after RoTS? So they could probably cast any skinny little dirty dishwater blonde boy and it'll be fine. 8 year olds can't act anyway. 8 year olds, dude.

Haley Joel Osment was pretty good around that age.

Haha yeah so was Dakota and Dafne. I'm mostly just kidding but I don't expect we're going to get a whole lot of Luke so I don't imagine they'll be casting the next Daniel Radcliffe.

Why would we want to see a young Luke? He was a farmer his whole life until ANH...

I guess they'll just make up some stupid adventures.

Really need a Sith series or trilogy or something, how they came to be, the hierarchy and how they changed from a Jedi type teaching and then going to a master and apprentice hierarchy and the wiping out of all the students but one, moving forward the student becoming the Master and how each Masters demise happened up to present.

fenderbender123 wrote:Why would we want to see a young Luke? He was a farmer his whole life until ANH...

I guess they'll just make up some stupid adventures.

I don't think it's going to be much about Luke. But if people want to see Anakin podracing then I'm sure there are people who want to see Luke flying though Beggar's canyon bullseying wamprats.

chris98251 wrote:Really need a Sith series or trilogy or something, how they came to be, the hierarchy and how they changed from a Jedi type teaching and then going to a master and apprentice hierarchy and the wiping out of all the students but one, moving forward the student becoming the Master and how each Masters demise happened up to present.

Check out the Darth Bane Trilogy. I don't think it's canon any more since it was written before Disney took over, but it covers what your talking about.

Zebulon Dak wrote:

Maulbert wrote:

Zebulon Dak wrote:https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-disney-plus-obi-wan-young-luke-skywalker/

The upcoming Disney+ Obi-Wan Kenobi series looks to be featuring another familiar Star Wars face.

According to Daniel Richtman, a new casting grid has surfaced for the series, and while there's little in way of plot details, it does confirm the show is looking to cast a young Luke Skywalker.

AFAIK this is supposed to be set about 8 years after RoTS? So they could probably cast any skinny little dirty dishwater blonde boy and it'll be fine. 8 year olds can't act anyway. 8 year olds, dude.

Haley Joel Osment was pretty good around that age.

Haha yeah so was Dakota and Dafne. I'm mostly just kidding but I don't expect we're going to get a whole lot of Luke so I don't imagine they'll be casting the next Daniel Radcliffe.

isnt that the time frame where Obi wan kills darth maul (again)?

Uncle Si wrote:

Zebulon Dak wrote:

Maulbert wrote:

Zebulon Dak wrote:https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-disney-plus-obi-wan-young-luke-skywalker/



AFAIK this is supposed to be set about 8 years after RoTS? So they could probably cast any skinny little dirty dishwater blonde boy and it'll be fine. 8 year olds can't act anyway. 8 year olds, dude.

Haley Joel Osment was pretty good around that age.

Haha yeah so was Dakota and Dafne. I'm mostly just kidding but I don't expect we're going to get a whole lot of Luke so I don't imagine they'll be casting the next Daniel Radcliffe.

isnt that the time frame where Obi wan kills darth maul (again)?

Si, yes it is. Obi-Wan was chillin' on Tatooine when Maul came to kill him and exact his revenge (which didn't go so well for Maul).

SeatownJay wrote:

chris98251 wrote:Really need a Sith series or trilogy or something, how they came to be, the hierarchy and how they changed from a Jedi type teaching and then going to a master and apprentice hierarchy and the wiping out of all the students but one, moving forward the student becoming the Master and how each Masters demise happened up to present.

Check out the Darth Bane Trilogy. I don't think it's canon any more since it was written before Disney took over, but it covers what your talking about.

Darth Bane is canon as of one of the later story arcs in Clone Wars, however the Darth Bane books trilogy is not canon anymore (Legends).

I know things were touched on in some cases but there is a lot there to pull from, we have yet to see Darth Domehawk rise also.

Uncle Si wrote:

Zebulon Dak wrote:

Maulbert wrote:

Zebulon Dak wrote:https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-disney-plus-obi-wan-young-luke-skywalker/



AFAIK this is supposed to be set about 8 years after RoTS? So they could probably cast any skinny little dirty dishwater blonde boy and it'll be fine. 8 year olds can't act anyway. 8 year olds, dude.

Haley Joel Osment was pretty good around that age.

Haha yeah so was Dakota and Dafne. I'm mostly just kidding but I don't expect we're going to get a whole lot of Luke so I don't imagine they'll be casting the next Daniel Radcliffe.

isnt that the time frame where Obi wan kills darth maul (again)?

Close, not quite. Maul was still alive in Solo, which was set 10 years before A New Hope. Maul died during Rebels, which started 5 years before A New Hope. Darth Maul died in season 3, which would put it about 2-3 years before A New Hope, or 16-17 years after Revenge of the Sith. So, the Obi-Wan series will be set about 9 years before he kills Maul.

My bad, I didn't realize Si was asking specifically about the Obi-Wan series and was speaking to the broader time frame (between RotS and ANH). Good specification, Maulbert.

That whole thing is kind of convoluted anyway, especially because when we see Luke in that Rebels episode he looks to be fairly young, IMO. A lot closer to maybe 10 or 11 than 16-17. I mean, from what little of him we saw. But that's cartoon sh*t and would be easily retconned by anything live action.

Side note, this is about the longest we've been able to talk Star Wars without the Enjoyability Control Police chiming in. Maybe we've turned a corner?

Zebulon Dak wrote:Side note, this is about the longest we've been able to talk Star Wars without the Enjoyability Control Police chiming in. Maybe we've turned a corner?

You're still speaking, so I think you've mistakenly excluded yourself from that category; but I digress, do continue.

Dammit. Candymanned that sh*t. My bad, guys.

Zebulon Dak wrote:That whole thing is kind of convoluted anyway, especially because when we see Luke in that Rebels episode he looks to be fairly young, IMO. A lot closer to maybe 10 or 11 than 16-17. I mean, from what little of him we saw. But that's cartoon sh*t and would be easily retconned by anything live action.

We know for a fact that Ezra Bridger is 1-2 days older than Luke and Leia. It's established canon that Ezra was born the day the Republic became the Empire. So, Luke had to be 16-17 in that episode of Rebels.

Maulbert wrote:

Zebulon Dak wrote:That whole thing is kind of convoluted anyway, especially because when we see Luke in that Rebels episode he looks to be fairly young, IMO. A lot closer to maybe 10 or 11 than 16-17. I mean, from what little of him we saw. But that's cartoon sh*t and would be easily retconned by anything live action.

We know for a fact that Ezra Bridger is 1-2 days older than Luke and Leia. It's established canon that Ezra was born the day the Republic became the Empire. So, Luke had to be 16-17 in that episode of Rebels.

I just watched the Twin Suns episode again and it's just fine, Luke could easily be the right age there. So no retconning necessary.

Too bad.. I wanted more Maul

http://starwarsunity.net/2020/01/02/rep ... this-year/

According to First Order Transmissions, and it’s something I’ve heard as well, a follow-up animated series to Star Wars Rebels featuring Ahsoka and Sabine is slated for release sometime this year. They mention that Filoni is involved, which I’ve heard as well, but I heard that he may not be directly overseeing it like he did with the original Rebels.

I haven't watched the video and I'm not sure how true this is but here's the info. Would be cool because I know a lot of people love those characters and I have never been able to get into Resistance. So here's to hoping.

Feb 17 new Clone Wars season.

Saw this, gave me a chuckle.

I realize there's far more important stuff right now, but Rosario Dawson has been cast as Ahsoka Tano in season 2 of The Mandalorian!!!

https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/rosario-dawson-ahsoka-tano-the-mandalorian-season-2-1203540472/

Hey this new season of Mando so far has been fantastic. Chapter 10 was a bit of filler but the other 3 have been fantastic, Chapter 12 in particular has been my favorite.

I think they're doing a really good job of combining OT canon with PT canon, hinting at ST canon and incorporating elements from Clone Wars/Rebels and as of late really going heavy on the Dark Forces/Jedi Knight elements, all while creating new lore and maintaining the familiar aesthetic, and really doing it better than it's been done in a long time.

Can't imagine there's many Star Wars fans who are unhappy with this series (who am I kidding, they must exist).

Episodes are too short, 30 minutes to 40 minutes. That's my complaint, I know they had some issues with Production at the beginning of Covid so that may be why.

I'm pretty sure it's intentional, last season was 30-40 minute episodes too. I know people expect hour long episodes but I don't mind the shorter ones. In the end we're still looking at over 5 hours of Star Wars which is more than we were getting with a movie a year.

Zebulon Dak wrote:In the end we're still looking at over 5 hours of Star Wars which is more than we were getting with a movie a year.

The Mandalorian already has 10x as much Star Wars in it as the entire sequel trilogy does. This show rocks.

RolandDeschain wrote:

Zebulon Dak wrote:In the end we're still looking at over 5 hours of Star Wars which is more than we were getting with a movie a year.

The Mandalorian already has 10x as much Star Wars in it as the entire sequel trilogy does. This show rocks.

It really does. And frankly I like that I can sit down and watch a full season without throwing away an entire day.

So, we have a Bobba Fet sighting. The Mandalorian timeline is confusing me. Didn’t Bobba die in ROTJ?

Seahwkgal wrote:So, we have a Bobba Fet sighting. The Mandalorian timeline is confusing me. Didn’t Bobba die in ROTJ?

Turns out, he did not. He fell into the Sarlacc pit, but if you go back and watch the first episode of this season they basically explained how he survived without explaining how he survived, if you know what I mean.

For the nerds, it's been known that he'd survived for some time now. For the average fan, I imagine it's a bit confusing.

Zebulon Dak wrote:

Seahwkgal wrote:So, we have a Bobba Fet sighting. The Mandalorian timeline is confusing me. Didn’t Bobba die in ROTJ?

Turns out, he did not. He fell into the Sarlacc pit, but if you go back and watch the first episode of this season they basically explained how he survived without explaining how he survived, if you know what I mean.

For the nerds, it's been known that he'd survived for some time now. For the average fan, I imagine it's a bit confusing.

I know it's no longer canon, but his survival was explained in the book "Tales from Jabba's Palace".