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That's odd...
Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:28 am
  • "Governor" Inslee was all about us having a 'drought emergency'. Not sure this is what an emergency looks like.

    "Close but no cigar: Seattle breaks 3-year streak of above normal rainy seasons"

    https://komonews.com/weather/scotts-wea ... ny-seasons

    "July, August and September had above-average rainfall -- in September's case, more than double the 1.50-inch average. September had 16 days with measurable rain -- the third most in Seattle (Sea-Tac) history, according to the National Weather Service."


    Good work there, Governor Climate! :roll:
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Re: That's odd...
Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:43 am
  • Shouldn't this be moved to the PWR Forum?
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Re: That's odd...
Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:50 am
  • The weather is political?
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Re: That's odd...
Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:59 am
  • You mention the Governor and Climate and you don't expect people to react politically?

    :stirthepot:

    Drought often takes more than a single month to alleviate. Thankfully, we've had a fairly quiet fire season so far and recent wet weather helps that, but we haven't had any snowpack yet to my knowledge. Weather is short term, climate is long term.
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Re: That's odd...
Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:20 am
  • I posted a Measurable Fact. The use of Measurable Facts instead of political hyperbole in public discourse would go a long way to calming things down in society. I may have thrown in a counter-example of someone who used political hyperbole instead of relying on Measurable Facts, but in life one should Face Facts Brutally (this is one of the core tenets of the Navy nuclear program, and why there's never been a nuclear accident in spite of all the reactors the navy has). On fact that needs to be faced brutally is that the Measurable Fact of the weather this year showed the folly of throwing out political hyperbole all willy-nilly.

    If you'd like I could also throw out measurements of how CO2 levels really are on the rise over the last hundred years, but that isn't the point of the post. That's a different Measurable Fact that also needs to be looked at squarely and rationally.

    People who react politically and get all pissed off at Measurable Facts that contradict their worldview should really take a look at themselves.

    Oh, and snow is already falling in the mountains and on all the passes. But, it isn't really 'snowpack accumulation time' yet. Take a look at the article I linked. "This year's Water Year tally ended up at 35.82 inches, just a smidge less than 2 inches of(f) the normal of 37.49 inches. It's the first time we've had a rainy year below normal since the 2014-2015 year that had 36.82 inches. But 35.82 is the lowest tally Seattle has had in a decade -- 2008-2009 had 33.98 inches." That isn't what a drought looks like, let alone a drought emergency.
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Re: That's odd...
Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:43 am
  • You're absolutely correct here, no doubt about it. I have one question though, if it was the other way around and he was right would you post about that? Have you ever posted about anything that a Dem/Lib was correct about? If the answer is "no" it's political imo.



    (btw, not a fan of Inslee........he should've talked about what Alaska went through this summer if he wanted to spotlight a recent climate issue)
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Re: That's odd...
Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:06 pm
  • I consider myself a moderate, more like the late Sen 'Scoop' Jackson (D - WA). I believe socialism is against the constitution, but also believe we need a social safety net for the worst off so we don't end up looking like Dickens' London of the mid 1800s. I believe I posted above that it's a Measurable Fact that CO2 levels are going up, which the virulent right will rail against. I believe gun confiscation is against the constitution, but also believe in the common-sense point of view that the general public doesn't need machine guns, bazookas, or flamethrowers. So, no. I'm presenting a fact that was on komo dot com this morning, and pointing out how somebody lied about it for political purposes. No other news stories that I accidentally ran across on komo dot net this morning were directly contradicting recent Political Hyperbole, so I didn't make any comments about them.

    The hard part of being a moderate is deciding how much of each side to adopt without turning into an idiot. :mrgreen:
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Re: That's odd...
Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:32 pm
  • Sounds like we're pretty similar then
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Re: That's odd...
Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:29 pm
  • I think it has more to do with snowpack, not rainfall.

    Obviously rain makes snow, but if we've had moderate winters then there's not enough snowpack, of which those mountain rivers get funneled into the farmlands of central and eastern Washington throughout the spring and summer.

    So it is possible to have more than normal rainfall, but still have drought conditions for the farms of central and eastern WA, which I assume is what is meant by "drought conditions." Not enough water for our farms.
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Re: That's odd...
Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:00 pm
  • There is pretty clearly a political hue to this thread and subject. Keep it civil and it should be good to go. If anybody feels the need to say F words or belittle each other over it let me know and we can Shack it.
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Re: That's odd...
Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:32 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:I think it has more to do with snowpack, not rainfall.

    Obviously rain makes snow, but if we've had moderate winters then there's not enough snowpack, of which those mountain rivers get funneled into the farmlands of central and eastern Washington throughout the spring and summer.

    So it is possible to have more than normal rainfall, but still have drought conditions for the farms of central and eastern WA, which I assume is what is meant by "drought conditions." Not enough water for our farms.


    I didn't do any research about snow packs. To me, 'drought' means 'lack of rain'. That's also what it means to the Random House College Dictionary in front of me, "An extended period of dry weather." I do recall one year when I was like 9 or 10 where it seemed like it didn't rain at all from April until September (maybe it did a little, but that was a long time ago). Now *that* was a drought! I do check on the snowpacks from time to time in the winter, and I don't recall them being particularly abnormally low. Maybe a little low, but there's normally a large surplus of water around here. People who talk of an emergency lack of water are normally not from around here - there usually is a lack of enough water in So Cal, the whole Southwest US, various parts of the world, etc. Just not here.
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Re: That's odd...
Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:56 pm
  • GeekHawk wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:I think it has more to do with snowpack, not rainfall.

    Obviously rain makes snow, but if we've had moderate winters then there's not enough snowpack, of which those mountain rivers get funneled into the farmlands of central and eastern Washington throughout the spring and summer.

    So it is possible to have more than normal rainfall, but still have drought conditions for the farms of central and eastern WA, which I assume is what is meant by "drought conditions." Not enough water for our farms.


    I didn't do any research about snow packs. To me, 'drought' means 'lack of rain'. That's also what it means to the Random House College Dictionary in front of me, "An extended period of dry weather." I do recall one year when I was like 9 or 10 where it seemed like it didn't rain at all from April until September (maybe it did a little, but that was a long time ago). Now *that* was a drought! I do check on the snowpacks from time to time in the winter, and I don't recall them being particularly abnormally low. Maybe a little low, but there's normally a large surplus of water around here. People who talk of an emergency lack of water are normally not from around here - there usually is a lack of enough water in So Cal, the whole Southwest US, various parts of the world, etc. Just not here.


    Well here's a story King 5 ran last April talking about WA state only predicted to reach 70-80% of our average snowpack levels and possibly being in drought conditions this summer.

    https://www.king5.com/article/weather/s ... d2da8e5168

    But I see you have a political agenda with your tone throughout this thread, so you go on with your Inslee bashing.
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Re: That's odd...
Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:14 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:Well here's a story King 5 ran last April talking about WA state only predicted to reach 70-80% of our average snowpack levels and possibly being in drought conditions this summer.

    https://www.king5.com/article/weather/s ... d2da8e5168

    But I see you have a political agenda with your tone throughout this thread, so you go on with your Inslee bashing.


    Hey dude, I didn't declare a Drought Emergency based on bit-below-average snowpacks and the "possibility of being in drought conditions", all for political purposes. Somebody else did that. I brought it up because the actual facts never ever supported such a declaration, and used that to illustrate why we should stick to Real Actual Factual Stuff when discussing things of social import. Otherwise you just whip up the extreme partisans on both sides (take a good long look at yourself here, son) and make it impossible to have a rational discussion about anything. Like the need for Real Actual Facts to be in these dicussions.

    Rational people would take a look at the prediction for 70-80% of normal snowpacks, and sound a warning that we may need to be aware of a drought starting. Maybe think about planting stuff that needs less water this year, that sort of thing. Non-rational people would immediately declare a Drought Emergency. Or, rational people would declare a Drought Emergency, but for nefarious political purposes. Which do you think happened here? The undeniable fact is that Inslee *did* declare a Drought Emergency, and then tried to run for president on a climate change platform. The fact that there was never an actual Drought Emergency (in spite of his declaration of one) only feeds the extreme-right climate-change-denial people. Like I said above, the hard part of being a moderate is deciding how much of each side to incorporate in your world-view without turning into an idiot.
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Re: That's odd...
Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:30 pm
  • Let's keep the politics out of this.
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Re: That's odd...
Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:13 am
  • Vancouver, WA had 11.5 inches of rain BELOW average this most recent "water year" which ended day before yesterday (Oct. 1-Sep. 30 is a water year). That kind of qualifies as at least a semi-drought I'd think.

    Based on a graph I saw in today's Vancouver paper
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Re: That's odd...
Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:27 am
  • GeekHawk wrote:
    Hey dude, I didn't declare a Drought Emergency based on bit-below-average snowpacks and the "possibility of being in drought conditions", all for political purposes. Somebody else did that. I brought it up because the actual facts never ever supported such a declaration, and used that to illustrate why we should stick to Real Actual Factual Stuff when discussing things of social import.


    I just gave you two posts full of the actual facts, that declaring our drought conditions is more about snowpack, and not average rainfall.

    You do know that there's a REALLY big mountain range that runs through the middle of the state that keeps the large majority of rainfall from reaching central and eastern WA? You know, like where all the farms are? The farms that need the snowpack fed rivers and tributaries to feed their farms? The part of the state that does go through droughts because of this very obvious natural barrier?

    So yeah if you'd actually like to bring some actual facts to the conversation other than the misinformation that rainfall = no drought, then I'm all ears.

    Also, if you don't want people to think you're making a post about politics, maybe..................just maybe leave out criticisms of politicians.
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Re: That's odd...
Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:01 pm
  • Water tables, springs, wells, rivers, lakes etc all are part of the system, takes a while for that water to get to the table, a lot is run off now due to our urban sprawl also. Snow Pack is great because of the slow melt and until just before spring when it melts faster can be absorbed and distributed to the various resource tables as long as we are not using it up faster then it can accumulate.

    Not to mention the power companies want to make sure they get their's before they release water behind those damns to provide down stream resources as well.
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Re: That's odd...
Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:16 am
  • Zebulon Dak wrote:There is pretty clearly a political hue to this thread and subject. Keep it civil and it should be good to go. If anybody feels the need to say F words or belittle each other over it let me know and we can Shack it.

    Funny, when I first read the OP I did not take it as political. It was only when Chris brought up the political angle did it skew that way. Maybe had it been left alone to stand on it's own merit without political comments it could have remained that way.
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Re: That's odd...
Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:31 am
  • Jazzhawk wrote:
    Zebulon Dak wrote:There is pretty clearly a political hue to this thread and subject. Keep it civil and it should be good to go. If anybody feels the need to say F words or belittle each other over it let me know and we can Shack it.

    Funny, when I first read the OP I did not take it as political. It was only when Chris brought up the political angle did it skew that way. Maybe had it been left alone to stand on it's own merit without political comments it could have remained that way.


    It's a dig at the Governor from the first word, if that's not political then what is, if it had been Trump's name instead of Inslee I guess it would have struck more of a cord with you and then topic illegal aliens instead of drought.
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Re: That's odd...
Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:44 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:
    Jazzhawk wrote:
    Zebulon Dak wrote:There is pretty clearly a political hue to this thread and subject. Keep it civil and it should be good to go. If anybody feels the need to say F words or belittle each other over it let me know and we can Shack it.

    Funny, when I first read the OP I did not take it as political. It was only when Chris brought up the political angle did it skew that way. Maybe had it been left alone to stand on it's own merit without political comments it could have remained that way.


    It's a dig at the Governor from the first word, if that's not political then what is, if it had been Trump's name instead of Inslee I guess it would have struck more of a cord with you and then topic illegal aliens instead of drought.

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