Looks like Pete Ball is back on the Menu Boys

[themunn]

A lot of hate on Fade in the comments but lets look at what he said.

The hawks ran the ball when the box was stacked.
Did that happen? Heck yes it did! Is it a smart move when you have a pass option on the table? Freak no!

Geno has no business passing past 15 yards. How many receptions vs incompletions does he have this year over 15 yards. His comfort zone is 7 yards.

Something changed this game on offence, was it Pete trying to get his name attached to this high flying offence with his own twist?

I don't know to many other people who has the power to make that move.

Every single one of Geno's TDs this year have been 15+ yards. In fact it's when we get into the red-zone and shortened field where he has struggled.

Did you even watch last week's game?

 

[acer1240]

Fade, do you honestly watch much football? Do you realize every game could be critiqued in the way you do, but the critique has no meaning as to the process or the product?

If your standard of play is perfection, then you are clearly following the wrong sport. Football is messy, full of poor execution, and bad bounces. Mistakes for the best regularly happen, that is actually what makes the game fun. The uncertainty, edge of your seat, snatching victory from the certain defeat.

That is why the former QB was so beloved here in the past and that is why Geno and the defense is gaining new appreciation now. The current iteration of the Seahawks is proving to be worth rooting for, exciting and fun.

The things that you complain about happen in every game for every team. If these things never happened, the game of football would be scoreless and pretty boring for most.

However much you believe that you are correct in the assumptions you ride so heavily, the simple fact is you really don't know any more than anyone. Even honest former professionals state that problems they see may be this reason or that reason, but they also make it clear that there are possibilities that they cannot attest to. Often the mistakes are literally the result of inches and not miles that you claim in exasperation.

You have no clue on assignments, the spot on the turf where someone slipped, the referee standing in the way of the play, the holding, the pick, the bird dropping a big one as the play is run, the communication on the field, on the sideline, in meeting, in practice and in the locker room....what you see in no way can be confidently stated as certainty as what you relentlessly claim to be seeing.

It's especially funny when you cherry pick plays and stats to support your assumptions, but the reality is you really don't know and just use your untrained eye and your ample free time to say what you think.

When the stats don't fit your narrative, wow like magic they are meaningless. When the team loses, Fade was right, as always!!! When the team wins, of course the results don't matter because, well, errrr Pete - missed tackles and angles and oh Pete. Results don't matter, it's the process.

What you do on behalf of an anti-Pete bias could be applied to every coach, trainer, player, or team chef. It is at times amazing to read what you believe in your bones, especially when your beliefs are quite easily countered by simply watching the game, listening to the players, coaches, and balanced media (often former local players).

As the Seahawks come together this year and outplay by far your expectations, you will hang on kicking and screaming - shifting the topic, making excuses, and using sleight of hand and misdirection to be correct. You will perhaps always be correct in your mind, but what you believe doesn't actually make it true for anyone but you.

This is a psychological issue and not a football analysis issue.

You are not about process at all. You are about:

23 Characteristics of a know-it-all personality - PsychMechanics

A know-it-all person is someone who thinks they know it all. They have strong opinions on almost everything and believe they’re right all the time. This

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Holy hell.. Nice!

 

[Spohawks]

Every single one of Geno's TDs this year have been 15+ yards. In fact it's when we get into the red-zone and shortened field where he has struggled.

Did you even watch last week's game?

That wasn't my question. I asked what his reception vs incompletion numbers were when he threw when he threw 15+ yards.

 

[bigskydoc]

That wasn't my question. I asked what his reception vs incompletion numbers were when he threw when he threw 15+ yards.

You posed the question. Why not provide the answer?

 

[FattyKnuckle]

Don’t worry about the draft. Seahawks can trade up with Bears and take anybody you want!

That costs draft capital. I’d rather be able to keep the additional picks.

 

[IndyHawk]

I believe the offense was simplified for Haynes and Walker.
They know they can do other parts offensively but Jackson
and Penny were a big part of it.
With more practice and game reps for Walker it gets easier
for him and the offense can open up again.

 

[keasley45]

A lot of hate on Fade in the comments but lets look at what he said.

The hawks ran the ball when the box was stacked.
Did that happen? Heck yes it did! Is it a smart move when you have a pass option on the table? Freak no!

Geno has no business passing past 15 yards. How many receptions vs incompletions does he have this year over 15 yards. His comfort zone is 7 yards.

Something changed this game on offence, was it Pete trying to get his name attached to this high flying offence with his own twist?

I don't know to many other people who has the power to make that move.

You don't just run the ball when you have an advantage personnel wise. When you have a rookie running back and a team that hasn't yet shown the ability to run consistently this year, you take the opportunity to run when YOU want to run.

Seattle was in control of that game from the beginning. They felt as tbough they could control the game and they were right. And they used that advantage to get experience running the ball in tight, difficult situations. And they did that while milking the clock and letting their much maligned defense rest.

The passing game is way ahead of the running game, and with the exception of the sacks they gave up, I saw an offense that was converting 3rd downs through the air pretty consistently. Geno looked sharp and the play designs, particularly in short and medium distances continues to impress.

What I saw today was the staff making a concerted effort not to just score points quickly and put their defense back on the field over and over again, but one determined to take the opportunity ity to sharpen aspects of the TEAM that haven't been performing well.

That said, the pass pro was a liability yesterday. Some of that was the Hawks beginning to do some of what the Cards had become accustomed to over the years. Some of it was just bad execution.

The special teams play was also, again, a liability. Don't know what the deal is there but that HAS to get cleaned up.

But they got a huge win. They can look in the mirror and say they're in a tie for first. And for the first time, they can say that they relied on their defense to get them a win. Those two things are priceless in terms of giving the team a sense of swag and confidence.

 

[Ozzy]

In Shane Waldron's system they call 2 Plays in the huddle, a run, and a pass. Light box you run, stacked box, you throw.

They had been doing this and people were freaking out because the Seahawks were throwing it more than they were running it to start the season, but it's smart. Leading to the #1 DVOA Offense in the league.

In the Cardinals game they went away from that. Repeatedly running into loaded boxes on 1st down, and having Geno hold the ball looking for the big play down the field. Sound familiar?

Pete Ball is back!

Yeah I wasn't a huge fan of the game plan yesterday even though I'm pretty excited about the growth of Waldron from last year to this year. I really hope they go back to what they were doing previously.

 

[Ozzy]

I believe the offense was simplified for Haynes and Walker.
They know they can do other parts offensively but Jackson
and Penny were a big part of it.
With more practice and game reps for Walker it gets easier
for him and the offense can open up again.

Walker looks awesome. Can't wait to see what he does the rest of the year. I think he has a chance to be one of the best backs in the league.

 

[mistaowen]

I will say, when it was 9-3 it honestly felt like a 2012-2014 offensive style would play out rest of the game and it did. Run focused, field position battle, don't turn the ball over, keep playing good D. Ken was running great and Cards were sending 5+ man rushes every single down it seemed. With a lead and the defense rocking, it's no surprise Pete went conservative and didn't risk Geno taking a strip sack fumble or something on a jailbreak. The OL was really struggling in pass pro (for both teams).

 

[Bear-Hawk]

In Shane Waldron's system they call 2 Plays in the huddle, a run, and a pass. Light box you run, stacked box, you throw.

They had been doing this and people were freaking out because the Seahawks were throwing it more than they were running it to start the season, but it's smart. Leading to the #1 DVOA Offense in the league.

In the Cardinals game they went away from that. Repeatedly running into loaded boxes on 1st down, and having Geno hold the ball looking for the big play down the field. Sound familiar?

Pete Ball is back!

I don’t like smashing Walker straight into a stacked box. He is a sensational runner, and they need to design plays to get him the ball with space to make his moves. I would even line him up in the slot and run shallow slant route. So far, he is not showing an inability to catch the ball.

 

[IndyHawk]

Walker looks awesome. Can't wait to see what he does the rest of the year. I think he has a chance to be one of the best backs in the league.

I agree he does have a chance to be up there but I have loved many of the
Unicorns of RB's we have had in Seattle over the years,it's amazing how
many good ones we have had.
I hope he stays healthy like Barry Sanders and is near as good.

 

[bigskydoc]

What I saw today was the staff making a concerted effort not to just score points quickly and put their defense back on the field over and over again, but one determined to take the opportunity ity to sharpen aspects of the TEAM that haven't been performing well.

Excellent point

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

In Shane Waldron's system they call 2 Plays in the huddle, a run, and a pass. Light box you run, stacked box, you throw.

They had been doing this and people were freaking out because the Seahawks were throwing it more than they were running it to start the season, but it's smart. Leading to the #1 DVOA Offense in the league.

In the Cardinals game they went away from that. Repeatedly running into loaded boxes on 1st down, and having Geno hold the ball looking for the big play down the field. Sound familiar?

Pete Ball is back!

Not sure if this makes you happy or not, Fade…but if the team keeps improving and the wins keep stacking them I’ll take the W’s anyway I can…

 

[DarkVictory23]

Geno has no business passing past 15 yards. How many receptions vs incompletions does he have this year over 15 yards. His comfort zone is 7 yards.

This is... not true. https://charts-cdn-a.nextgenstats.n...art_SMI269700_2022-REG-all_1665502668995.jpeg

Geno's passer rating is average to above average on every depth and distance past the line of scrimmage.

Then you should be aware that the process for getting your defense to play better involves ball control offense. And that the process for getting your rookie running back up to speed involves getting him as many touches as you can and NOT overly relying on him in sophisticated pass-pro situations.

The Hawks shifted gears this game because they NEEDED to and could afford to. They can obviously play long ball. No problem. And in this game they had Tds traded for field goals due to poor execution and not conservative playcalling... plus, a huge play to DK negated by a batted ball.

This game is exactly what the TEAM needed. Confidence building. Chemistry building.

Those things are also part of the 'process' of building a complete, winning team and culture.

I'll say this: I do have the advantage of not having to care about building chemistry, testing a rookie RB, etc., etc. I also don't get to see the backup RG and rookie RB in practice to see if they are having trouble in the passing game or not.

All I get to watch is the game and see how different decisions work out and based on that, I don't buy the idea that the Seahawks needed to run more and the idea that we need to run more to control is simply not true for this team this year.

Prior to the last couple of weeks, this team's average time for drive length has actually been in the top 5. We are now firmly middle of the pack with an average drive length of 2:47, down an additional 5 seconds from where we were last week. Our average drive length this game? 2:26.

It gets worse when you look at the splits between drives that started with a pass vs. a run. On pass first drives, our average was 2:36, when we started with a run first it was 2:17.

We had 6 pass first drives and 6 run first drives. We scored on 4 out of the 6 pass first drives (including our only touchdown). We only scored once when we opened the drive with a run.

Trying to keep our defense off the field by running the ball more had the opposite effect.

I'm quite happy we won and it's good to see our team win in a completely different way than was expected. That bodes well not just for this year, but future seasons. I will, however, not be pleased if the play calling going forward looks more like this game and less like the previous three.

 

[Hockey Guy]

At what point is this kinda stuff just self parody?

 

[bigskydoc]

You posed the question. Why not provide the answer?

Admittedly, this was a bit of a setup. Unless you have access to NFLGSIS, or you want to pull up the replays, and watch every pass this year, I'm not sure that exact data is available. Here's what is available

Going into this week, Geno sits in eighth place on deep ball attempts (over 20 yards), with 22 of them. His completion percentage on those throws is 54.5%, fifth in the league, with an 81.8% catchable rate on these attempts, which puts him in fourth place. He sits in first place in true passer rating, and true completion percentage.

The Arizona game dropped him from third in YPA to fifth, but he maintains his third place 8.5 adjusted YPA.

 

[bigskydoc]

This is... not true. https://charts-cdn-a.nextgenstats.n...art_SMI269700_2022-REG-all_1665502668995.jpeg

Geno's passer rating is average to above average on every depth and distance past the line of scrimmage.

There you have it, in black and white. Geno simply can't make those passes to the deep right side of the field. I told you he is just a dink and dunk QB*

*Some goal post mover, somewhere on the forum, this week, probably.

 

[FrodosFinger]

Fade seems to think the Seahawks are an old team. I’ll leave this here.


Most combined offensive and defensive snaps for rookies through six weeks:

1. Seahawks: 1,660
2. Bears: 1,492
3. Texans: 1,437
4. Giants: 1,336
5. Jets: 1,336
6. Jaguars: 1,171
7. Falcons: 1,073
8. Ravens: 1,051
9. Chiefs: 1,047
10. Buccaneers: 1,008

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I'm loving what I'm seeing from this YOUNG team.