Jamal Adams whispers

If its like vet minimum i'd consider. We aren't exactly stacked at LBer

Yikes

If for a very team friendly deal…and situational play, hmmm.

Sounds like a broken record but, a healthy JA is a menace to opposing offenses. He’d have to fill an OLB spot ( backup, all out blitzes).

Healthy….could he be healthy now? He damn sure wasn’t last year.

I shouldn’t but, I feel for the dude. The whole “yikes” thing and arguing with the team doc….”best in the nation” talk should have changed my opinion on him long ago.

I just wonder if he’s healthy…because he was a dog when he was. Sorta like Spoon….that aggressive play style.

No amount of health will change his coverage ability…can’t experiment with that anymore. But, if he’s used situationally, I could see that being a bonus.

If he's willing to sign for the league minimum with no guaranteed money then sure. Check him out during training camp to see if there's a role he can fill and if not, cut him. However, I don't think his ego will allow him to sign a deal like this so I don't see it happening.

Glasgow Seahawk said:

If its like vet minimum i'd consider. We aren't exactly stacked at LBer

Click to expand...

Adams is not a linebacker. He's 6'1" 213 lbs. and would be going up against players 50-70 pounds heavier and 2-4" taller than he is. He was at his best when he was rushing the quarterback in an unanticipated blitz situation and going up against a running back. If he lines up at linebacker, they'll run plays straight at him and Adams will look as if he's wearing roller skates.

GemCity said:

If for a very team friendly deal…and situational play, hmmm.

Sounds like a broken record but, a healthy JA is a menace to opposing offenses. He’d have to fill an OLB spot ( backup, all out blitzes).

Healthy….could he be healthy now? He damn sure wasn’t last year.

I shouldn’t but, I feel for the dude. The whole “yikes” thing and arguing with the team doc….”best in the nation” talk should have changed my opinion on him long ago.

I just wonder if he’s healthy…because he was a dog when he was. Sorta like Spoon….that aggressive play style.

No amount of health will change his coverage ability…can’t experiment with that anymore. But, if he’s used situationally, I could see that being a bonus.

Click to expand...

He wasn't very menacing in 2021 when he was healthy. He went from a record setting 9.5 sacks in 2020 to zero in 2021.

Offenses had figured him out. He was overused in 2020, blitzed a bunch of times to the point that anytime he approached the LOS, teams would account for him by moving a tight end or running back to his side.

In 2021 with Adams healthy for most of the season, our passing defense was ranked 28th in the league, and a lot of it was due to either his poor coverage skills or his being sent in on a blitz when he failed to get home, leaving the secondary a man short.

Even when he was healthy, our defense was worse with him than it was without.

RiverDog said:

Adams is not a linebacker. He's 6'1" 213 lbs. and would be going up against players 50-70 pounds heavier and 2-4" taller than he is. He was at his best when he was rushing the quarterback in an unanticipated blitz situation and going up against a running back. If he lines up at linebacker, they'll run plays straight at him and Adams will look as if he's wearing roller skates.

Click to expand...

Very true Rdog. But, he could be disguised on the outside. It wouldn’t be an every down position.

Strictly blitzy.

RiverDog said:

He wasn't very menacing in 2021 when he was healthy. He went from a record setting 9.5 sacks in 2020 to zero in 2021.

Offenses had figured him out. He was overused in 2020, blitzed a bunch of times to the point that anytime he approached the LOS, teams would account for him by moving a tight end or running back to his side.

In 2021 with Adams healthy for most of the season, our passing defense was ranked 28th in the league, and a lot of it was due to either his poor coverage skills or his being sent in on a blitz when he failed to get home, leaving the secondary a man short.

Even when he was healthy, our defense was worse with him than it was without.

Click to expand...

I’d hope for the 2020 version in a limited, no coverage beyond 5-10 type role.

We’re talking vet minimum and restricted play.

I highly doubt they’d take on that contract though.

RiverDog said:

He wasn't very menacing in 2021 when he was healthy. He went from a record setting 9.5 sacks in 2020 to zero in 2021.

Offenses had figured him out. He was overused in 2020, blitzed a bunch of times to the point that anytime he approached the LOS, teams would account for him by moving a tight end or running back to his side.

In 2021 with Adams healthy for most of the season, our passing defense was ranked 28th in the league, and a lot of it was due to either his poor coverage skills or his being sent in on a blitz when he failed to get home, leaving the secondary a man short.

Even when he was healthy, our defense was worse with him than it was without.

Click to expand...

I think one thing that has been illuminated this off season is that despite Pete and John being on the same page most of the time and having a great relationship, they weren't always aligned on how players would be used.

Jamal was a John hire. How much Pete wanted him? Who knows. But what is fir certain is John brought him here to be more of a Will type player. Pete let that happen year one, and then promptly squashed that plan thereafter until last year. He went so far as to force jamal into playing SS almost exclusively on year 2 in a flawed scheme. Seems to me Jamal was caught in a war of philosophies with John wanting him to be a menacing LB type who could drop deep when necessary, and Pete forcing him to play what HE wanted him to in HIS system. And in the end, Pete's insistence on running it his way, playing players that John would bring in for purpose 'A', bring made to play in slot 'B' led to his being released.

Jamal wasn't the only one who fell into that trap. C Dunlap was another. Bryant, to a degree, had been another player lost in thr scheme fit dilemma that sprang up between John and the players he brought in and the way Pete wanted to use them.

That's why I think you have to look at the past through a slightly different lens. The whole situation was fubar and the players were lost in the shuffle in some instances and wasted in others.

We will see what the scheme shift can accomplish with the sane pieces.

At this point, why not try Adams at MLB? I mean, what do we have to lose?

Jerhawk said:

At this point, why not try Adams at MLB? I mean, what do we have to lose?

Click to expand...

Honestly imo he’s probably n just the kind of guy Coach mike would like. Listening to his interviews and especially now post draft, seems he wants guys who can play 1 or 2 spots so they can disguise all thier defensive schemes.

I just don't see it , unless his desire for not tackling or shedding blockers is gone which he'd have to prove me wrong about i see almost any other guy as just as good that may do better.
I'd be more pleased to look at udfa market if they had to

GemCity said:

I’d hope for the 2020 version in a limited, no coverage beyond 5-10 type role.

We’re talking vet minimum and restricted play.

I highly doubt they’d take on that contract though.

Click to expand...

In order to do that, we'd have to reserve a roster spot for a player who doesn't play on special teams and only has a "no coverage beyond 5-10 type roll." I'd much rather use that roster spot on a player who can be used in multiple different positions.

Besides, Adams isn't a team player. If he were, he wouldn't have gone home and pouted when he was told that he wasn't going to suit up and instead supported his teammates on the sidelines. I don't want the guy.

keasley45 said:

Jamal was a John hire. How much Pete wanted him? Who knows. But what is fir certain is John brought him here to be more of a Will type player. Pete let that happen year one, and then promptly squashed that plan thereafter until last year. He went so far as to force jamal into playing SS almost exclusively on year 2 in a flawed scheme. Seems to me Jamal was caught in a war of philosophies with John wanting him to be a menacing LB type who could drop deep when necessary, and Pete forcing him to play what HE wanted him to in HIS system. And in the end, Pete's insistence on running it his way, playing players that John would bring in for purpose 'A', bring made to play in slot 'B' led to his being released.

Jamal wasn't the only one who fell into that trap. C Dunlap was another. Bryant, to a degree, had been another player lost in thr scheme fit dilemma that sprang up between John and the players he brought in and the way Pete wanted to use them.

That's why I think you have to look at the past through a slightly different lens. The whole situation was fubar and the players were lost in the shuffle in some instances and wasted in others.

We will see what the scheme shift can accomplish with the sane pieces.

Click to expand...

How do you know that Adams was a "John hire"?

None of us can conclusively say that this or that personnel move was Pete's or John's. But since Pete is at the top of the pyramid, the buck stops with him, and that includes the "Adams hire".

GemCity said:

Very true Rdog. But, he could be disguised on the outside. It wouldn’t be an every down position.

Strictly blitzy.

Click to expand...

So we're going to hold a roster spot open for a player that doesn't play special teams and would be used sparingly on defense?

I enthusiastically supported Adams for longer than he deserved. Now I'm over it and prefer to see our younger guys get the chance they need to learn and become the best they can be.

RiverDog said:

How do you know that Adams was a "John hire"?

None of us can conclusively say that this or that personnel move was Pete's or John's. But since Pete is at the top of the pyramid, the buck stops with him.

Click to expand...

Because of how he's spoken about Jamal and the whole situation when he's be asked. he's been annoyed at the insinuation that it was a bad trade and spoke specifically about how Jamal was brought here to be a Will type player. Pete took him completely out of the role. That, and he's on record talking about the profile of player he wants. Angry. Aggressive. Alpha types similar to what we had in the LOB days. Thats Jamal. And its the opposite of the player profile Pete trended to post LOB years.

keasley45 said:

Because of how he's spoken about Jamal and the whole situation when he's be asked. he's been annoyed at the insinuation that it was a bad trade and spoke specifically about how Jamal was brought here to be a Will type player. Pete took him completely out of the role. That, and he's on record talking about the profile of player he wants. Angry. Aggressive. Alpha types similar to what we had in the LOB days. Thats Jamal. And its the opposite of the player profile Pete trended to post LOB years.

Click to expand...

Sorry, man, I ain't buying it. Pete could have vetoed that trade at any point, could have said no to the fat contract we gave him.

RiverDog said:

Sorry, man, I ain't buying it. Pete could have vetoed that trade at any point, could have said no to the fat contract we gave him.

Click to expand...

That's cool. Not trying to convince anyone.

I can't see them messing with someone that probably won't play on special teams.