BlueTalon
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Reminiscent of when we unloaded Mirer to Chicago for a 1st round pick, IIRC.Strike that one. The Browns ended up trading Richardson to the Colts for a #1 draft pick.
Reminiscent of when we unloaded Mirer to Chicago for a 1st round pick, IIRC.Strike that one. The Browns ended up trading Richardson to the Colts for a #1 draft pick.
12th Man Rising ranked the top worst trades in Seahawk history:
1. Percy Harvin
2. Jimmy Graham
3. Kelly Stouffer
4. Ahmad Rashad
5. Deion Branch
5 biggest trade mistakes for the Seattle Seahawks in franchise history
The Seattle Seahawks have mostly been a better-than-average franchise since the team's inception in 1976. The 1990s weren't a great time for 12s, but many of th12thmanrising.com
The reason Adams isn't on that list is because we haven't closed the book on him yet. But if he doesn't make a significant contribution and we move away from him, I'm sure it will go down as the worst trade in history.
Although I share your opinion of him and think it's very unlikely that he'll be able to make a contribution large enough to salvage the trade and justify what we're paying him, we can't close the book on him until he's off our roster. As Yogi Berra would say, it ain't over until it's over.I guess that's where we differ. I think we have closed the door on him.
From the scheme switch, to the Love signing, to moving Bryant to safety, to the Jerrick Reed draft pick. No part of this says "Jamal Adams is any part of our 2023 plans."
IMO he's broken, and the film says he was broken even before the serious thigh tear. I'd be shocked if Adams comes back in any capacity to contribute this season, and will be cut immediately after the season's over.
Yup. We also harpooned the Cowboys in the Joey Galloway trade and the Colts with Fredd Young.Reminiscent of when we unloaded Mirer to Chicago for a 1st round pick, IIRC.
Although I share your opinion of him and think it's very unlikely that he'll be able to make a contribution large enough to salvage the trade and justify what we're paying him, we can't close the book on him until he's off our roster. As Yogi Berra would say, it ain't over until it's over.
There are liars, damn liars, and then there are statisticians.The Jimmy Graham trade was a net negative, but not even close to the top 5 worst trades.
He was productive. Setting franchise records in his 3 years.
Ya hes over the edge at this point.12th Man Rising ranked the top worst trades in Seahawk history:
1. Percy Harvin
2. Jimmy Graham
3. Kelly Stouffer
4. Ahmad Rashad
5. Deion Branch
5 biggest trade mistakes for the Seattle Seahawks in franchise history
The Seattle Seahawks have mostly been a better-than-average franchise since the team's inception in 1976. The 1990s weren't a great time for 12s, but many of th12thmanrising.com
The reason Adams isn't on that list is because we haven't closed the book on him yet. But if he doesn't make a significant contribution and we move away from him, I'm sure it will go down as the worst trade in history.
This I agree with. While Graham was the best TE (statistically) to wear Seahawk blue, Unger was more valuable piece to the team overall. That's why that was an awful trade. Unger was the glue of the OL. Once he left the OL disappeared with him. And they are still searching for a solid center to fill that void. Maybe Brown or Olu will change that.There are liars, damn liars, and then there are statisticians.
Graham was productive if you're into Fantasy Football. But he was a finesse player on a smash mouth, run-first team who couldn't throw a block if his life depended on it. He was completely out of character for our team. Plus, we never fully utilized him in the red zone, which was one of the justifications for trading for him.
There are liars, damn liars, and then there are statisticians.
Graham was productive if you're into Fantasy Football. But he was a finesse player on a smash mouth, run-first team who couldn't throw a block if his life depended on it. He was completely out of character for our team. Plus, we never fully utilized him in the red zone, which was one of the justifications for trading for him.
I remeber being super pumped to get "Jimmy" and not really caring about losing Unger. But ya man, looking back on it.. it all started to crumble after that tradeI see Graham as kinda when Russ crossed over the Mason-Dixon line between being a team player, and a complainer about needing more weapons.
So the coaches appeased him, which IMO wasn't just about Graham, but giving up Unger? Our O-line hasn't been the same since.
That was really the downside of that trade, not even how Graham played. Which he played OK, but losing Unger was the beginning of the end of our run game and O-line dominance.
Actually Graham in his final year, we actually utilized him in the red zone. He led the NFL w/ 10TDs in the redzone. Took Bevell 3 seasons to figure out a 6'7 Basketball player can box out and out jump most defenders.There are liars, damn liars, and then there are statisticians.
Graham was productive if you're into Fantasy Football. But he was a finesse player on a smash mouth, run-first team who couldn't throw a block if his life depended on it. He was completely out of character for our team. Plus, we never fully utilized him in the red zone, which was one of the justifications for trading for him.
You are correct, and I should have made some sort of notion. But that still represents just one season out of the three that he was with us, not nearly enough to justify what we gave up to get him.Actually Graham in his final year, we actually utilized him in the red zone. He led the NFL w/ 10TDs in the redzone. Took Bevell 3 seasons to figure out a 6'7 Basketball player can box out and out jump most defenders.
We also gave up a first-round pick for Graham, too.I see Graham as kinda when Russ crossed over the Mason-Dixon line between being a team player, and a complainer about needing more weapons.
So the coaches appeased him, which IMO wasn't just about Graham, but giving up Unger? Our O-line hasn't been the same since.
That was really the downside of that trade, not even how Graham played. Which he played OK, but losing Unger was the beginning of the end of our run game and O-line dominance.
He mentioned Trey Lance in the draft.The discussion was about trades. Penny was a draft pick that busted, due mainly to injuries.
So imagine if we had traded two first round picks for Penny, AND made him the highest paid RB in the entire league.
That's where we're at with Adams. Not sure why some of you guys are so stubborn with this topic. The trade sucked, it was probably the worst trade in Hawk history.
The End.
That's one opinion.If you trade 2 first round picks for a guy and in the process redo his contract and pay him a good sum and then he's hit by a car and is crippled and can no longer play, does that qualify as a horrible trade?
Nobody was complaining about Adams his first year here.
His second year, he was asked to play deep as the staff explored whatever version of the defense they thought would work or they could transition to. His play that year was unfairly canned as there were bigger issues at play not obvious to the casual observer. There were plays he was lambasted for that weren't his responsibility. The TD in SF on the blown coverage? Not him. Similar faults were pushed his was on big plays against two other teams - can't remember which, just that one involved Adams having to spin 180 degrees and run a wr down to save a play.
His injuries? Sure. They are unfortunate
But a torn quad? That's a VERY rare occurrence. Not something that smacks of fragility. The finger? The dude missed a minute and was back playing through it. Shoulders are unfortunate 100%, but again, it's not as though the dude had a record of being fragile.
His contract at the time was at what would be the crest for salaries at his position. It looks worse now (not that it seemed reasonable then), but the assumption was that hed be cut loose to be the player he'd been his first year here and with the Jets - a freelancing game wrecker. Had he been allowed to play the game the way he had in year one, in year two, I doubt we'd be all bothered by the play he was forced to put on the field for having to play the way he was asked to. He wasn't the only player who was out of position or lining up southpaw. Carlos Dunlap was doing weird stuff as well and was a shadow of himself for it.
Last year was just unfortunate.
I just don't see the sense in having to qualify the trade in any way. If anything, I'd give it an incomplete. Why? Because if you ask any offensive coordinator to identify THE guy their team has to account for on our D and I guarantee you Adams is either 1 or 1a in that conversation. He's just that good. So if you have a player of that caliber on your team, it can't be a bad thing.
And again, we traded picks during covid year 1. One can poopoo that as a poor excuse all you want, but when the draft itself was considered a crap shoot because of the lack of playing time players had , that has to be factored into the calculus behind the FO's gamble to get Adams.
If Adams never returns to the form he had prior to his quad, I'd call it the most unfortunate trade we've made. But worst? There'd have to have been some gross miscalculation or overestimation of a players ability for it to be considered 'worst'. Like Eddie Lacey, Carey Williams, Matt Flynn. Sure, we didnt trade for them, but with the exception of Lacey, we tossed a good bit of coin their way for little return.
I'd put this in the Nate Odoms / Sidney Rice category. Sure, we didn't trade for Odomes, but he was our prized acquisition in 94. We gave up decent salary for him, and he never played a down for us because he blew out his knees... playing basketball. Prior to that, hed missed 1 start in 7 years.
And nobody seems to give Sidney Rice any flack for being perpetually dinged and not meeting his 5 year, 40 plus mil pricetag - not chump change at the time. He was paid handsomely and never sniffed 1000 yards receiving.
If you trade 2 first round picks for a guy and in the process redo his contract and pay him a good sum and then he's hit by a car and is crippled and can no longer play, does that qualify as a horrible trade?
CoolYes, final answer.