Bigpumpkin
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Re: Trade.....most teams cannot afford the Hawks asking price. He'll be at Training Camp come July.
Bigpumpkin":1729f4xb said:Re: Trade.....most teams cannot afford the Hawks asking price. He'll be at Training Camp come July.
Seymour":3d9qh5mp said:kidhawk":3d9qh5mp said:Seymour":3d9qh5mp said:kidhawk":3d9qh5mp said:Why is that such a big deal this time? Our front office has said they only redo contracts when they are in their last year. They have followed that with all their stars that they have kept around. Earl is a smart guy. He knows if he doesn't get an extension that means he's on his way out next year, so why would he want to play into a year that wasn't guaranteed when he could (I'd say should) be extended. If not here, there are plenty of teams who would extend him.
I said it was an "issue". Obviously it is if they want him to finish this contract then see where he as at and decide.
As to these plenty of teams (keep in mind he wants top $$ at 30+), you may want to forward that list to JS as they seem to be having troubles getting any reasonable value for him right now.
You say that they haven't had a reasonable offer, which assumes that you, Schneider and the other teams all agree on what is reasonable. The issue with trading Earl isn't that nobody wants him, it's that nobody wants him at our cost + his cost. If he hit free agency today, he'd have multiple high value offers out of the gate.
Earl Thomas is still a high value player he'll get his extension either here or elsewhere, of this I am certain. The biggest question right now is whether the Seahawks value him more than we are going to be offered. I'm thinking that the safe bet is that we extend him here before training camp begins. Only time will tell, but it likely won't tell the whole story.
I agree in general, but the only way any team "extends him" is this year and that comes at the additional cost of trade assets in picks or players without saying. "If he hits FA today", it would not be an extension. It would be a whole new contract, so that I consider an entirely different scenario myself.
No one big particular reason. Just another overrated first rounder that doesn't provide all together more value for the ROI than other safeties that can only play FS. He's played as a cover 3 safety most of his career, which is one of 3 deep players, and is one of the easier positions as a safety. The two most stressed positions in coverage in that defense is actually the MLB and SS/WLB, whichever is playing the short middle zone. Since you go so conservative with 3 deep instead of 2, you get dinked and dunked a lot because the deep side is pretty well closed off with 3 dedicated players. We do go cover 1 and get into some blitz packages, but being surrounded by such a high level of talent makes his job easier. Fans often think it's the other way around, but it isn't true. He's even excused of a lot of short comings, often simply by people refusing to believe what they see. The TE seam route is often his responsibility, for instance, and it's been a big problem for a long time. The short zone guys are only supposed to carry that so far and hand off the inside seem to the FS. Or when he can't barely jump 30 inches off the ground for a ball when he's 5'10...or how fans and announcers, who are paid to make gods of men BTW, say how he plays sideline to sideline in coverage and he literally almost never does because he's literally not supposed to per the scheme, etc, etc, etc.MontanaHawk05":1727wlgy said:vin.couve12":1727wlgy said:I've never been Earl's biggest fan
That much is obvious. Any reason why?
The fact that he isn't traded yet shows his value isn't what it's thought to be.hawxfreak":eoty2gj1 said:I was just gonna say , what if Earl doesn't play very well after he's traded and then lambaste your post but then I read your post in full and you could be right
But that guy does some nasty stuff in the run game occasionally and takes instinctive angles doing so
I could see how another team could covet him and am a bit surprised a trade hasn't happened yet
And if that offer isn't there? The only reason why people think we can get a haul for him is entirely unsubstantiated twitter rumors. I can maybe see why Dallas would want him if he is willing to take a team friendly deal to play there. Are there any other NFL teams where if you were the GM you would part with a second round pick by itself for Earl on this expiring contract?vin.couve12":3gpw9s5m said:Trade Earl for a 2nd and 3rd or 4th.
I actually don't disagree. He's not worth it. I would be willing to push the draft picks out to 2019, personally. The fact that he isn't traded is telling.AgentDib":sf13r8ab said:And if that offer isn't there? The only reason why people think we can get a haul for him is entirely unsubstantiated twitter rumors. I can maybe see why Dallas would want him if he is willing to take a team friendly deal to play there. Are there any other NFL teams where if you were the GM you would part with a second round pick by itself for Earl on this expiring contract?vin.couve12":sf13r8ab said:Trade Earl for a 2nd and 3rd or 4th.
I'm higher than you are on Earl the player, but contracts are what carry value in trades and I just don't see why other teams would want to trade high value picks for Earl's contract.
vin.couve12":1v8htuun said:The fact that he isn't traded yet shows his value isn't what it's thought to be.
This!Rocket":173kotw1 said:He said he doesn't want to hang his body out for a single year contract... that makes sense.
He wants more money? Who doesn't, even the garbage collectors want more money... that makes sense.
He's an emotional guy, he hangs his heart on his sleeve, or however that goes... that makes sense.
It all makes sense.