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carolinablue":1jhcrerf said:Wagner will help but honestly with our offense he's not the one that matters most when defending the read option. It's the defensive ends, outside linebackers and sometimes safeties that are having to make the tackle. And your offense doesn't have the amount of read option plays that we run at least from what I've seen.Polaris":1jhcrerf said:carolinablue":1jhcrerf said:Right but he was responding to a guy who SAID that we'd had 20+games straight with over 100 yards rushing. He changed the original argument which is not how you're supposed to debate stuff. I just brought the conversation back to the original premise.Polaris":1jhcrerf said:Now you are quibbling and not very well at that. He SAID we hadn't allowed a 100yard rusher since last year and that's absolutely true. I also point out that (esp for Carolina) 135 yards on the ground is actually pretty poor. It was Cam's late game passing heroics that won the game earlier this year, not Carolina's run game, so his basic point is valid. Teams simply don't run very well at all against Seattle's defense.
Edit: Actually it does matter if one person does it or multiple ones. 30 yards of that 135 Carolina got in Seattle was from Cam and most of those weren't designed runs. I am not saying that Carolina won't crack the 100yard rush barrier, but that doesn't constituted a 'successful' running game. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see Carolina fail to maintain that streak either. Minny's running game is better than Carolina's (sorry but it is, Peterson is that good) and Seattle completely stuffed Peterson not once but twice....and that was in December-January, not October.
Also Peterson may individually be better than Jonathan Stewart but Stewart is no slouch. And Stewart has something that AP didn't have and that's Cam. When you have to defend the read option with Cam/Stewart, I'd argue that it's much tougher to do that than to stop one man in AP.
You do understand that the first time you faced us that Seattle didn't have Wagner playing MLB right? Do you think that might make a little bit of difference in our ability to defend the read option? Also given that our first team offenses and defenses do practice against each other (not true for most NFL teams), do you think that our defense hasn't figured out ways to counter the read option given that they PRACTICE AGAINST one of the best read option QBs in the game?
Just sayin'
Our QB doesn't crave all the attention so he usually hands the ball to the guys that are paid to run the ball and only runs when he reads the end crashing down. Cam runs the ball into bad situations and will end up having a shorter career than he would if he could actually run the read option well. As of now, Cam makes poor decisions but being big and young he is able to get away with those poor decisions. Father time will start making his presence known to Cam pretty soon.
Wagner does have a pretty big impact against the panther read option because Cam runs up the middle a lot.