JOHN, PETE ADMIT U MADE MISTAKE

[Sports Hernia]

TRADE GRAHAM FOR SOME OFFENSIVE LINEMAN.
ITS JUST NOT WORKING

Looks like the "Facebook hero method" was an epic fail?

 

[Seanhawk]

TRADE GRAHAM FOR SOME OFFENSIVE LINEMAN.
ITS JUST NOT WORKING

So what does crow taste like?

Hopefully like feces.

 

[hawk45]

I wish we could keep gameday reaction posts in the gameday forum.

See this is why game day forum is so crucial. This post in game day barely registers

 

[scutterhawk]

7 receptions for 83 yards and a TD

Yeah :34853_doh: , at this rate, he's only on track with about 100 catches for 1,250 Yards, and 14 TD's.
What a damned loooooooser.

 

[scutterhawk]

TRADE GRAHAM FOR SOME OFFENSIVE LINEMAN.
ITS JUST NOT WORKING

So what does crow taste like?

Probably like a cross between a Spotted Owl & a Bald Eagle? :lol:

 

[Throwdown]

I remember when I was much younger and took it all way too seriously.

Me, too. I couldn't get through the 2005 Redskins playoff game. Took a walk around the neighborhood at halftime, came home to Mom hollering something about "Darrell Jackson, Darrell Jackson!"

Now I'm like...losses are cool, man. Whatever.

I've been like that for a good five years now.

 

[davidonmi]

Sigh

 

[Uncle Si]

I love lamp

 

[Threedee]

I love book.

 

[Uncle Si]

I love book.

Do you really love book?

 

[MysterMatt]

I remember when I was much younger and took it all way too seriously.

You was crazy back then.

 

[HawKnPeppa]

I Googled 'Seahawks forum,' found this site and registered just for an in-game VEEEEEEEENT![SMILING FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH AND COLD SWEAT][FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY]

 

[Seahawkfan80]

So what does crow taste like?

Probably like a cross between a Spotted Owl & a Bald Eagle? :lol:

Chicken with that special sauce. You can make it taste like steak with A1 or Heinz 57 sauce. But if you :stirthepot: together...he he he

 

[Boom84]

OP has a point, but more specifically Gilliam, Sweezy, and Nowak have struggled early in the run game. Pass protection is getting noticeably better with Gilliam being the exception. Overall I somewhat expected the growing pains and appreciate the coaching staff allowing the group to settle in. They are getting betting it'll just take more time.

My main issue is Graham continuing the same diva act of not putting his heart into blocking that led to his exit in New Orleans. This was my biggest fear and Graham has done nothing to dispel it. The team has been unable to win the edge thus far this season until Cooper Helfet was inserted in the third quarter and his blocking dramatically helped the offense have some success running the ball to close the game out. Alvin Bailey also came in as an extra blocker to help things.

I'd say Helfet would be my offensive MVP today. While that may seem nutty, this team absolutely has to run the ball and play downhill to have a chance at another championship. The Seahawks are not that bruising, bullying team along their front they have been in the past, but they need to employ players who can help them get back to that. Graham is clearly not one of those players and wasn't when he was in NO when Seattle's defense took his manhood twice in '13.

Ultimately Jimmy Graham is a wonderful receiving target, but with a lack of willingness to block he's a glorified slot receiver. In that case, Lockett, Willson, Helfet, Matthews collectively could offer close to the same production in the middle of the field. Graham despite his great receiving talent just does not seem to fit what the Seahawks need from a TE in all aspects of the position. Personally I'd have no problem if he left town in the same manner as Percy Harvin.

 

[sc85sis]

There is no "diva" act with regard to Graham and blocking, he just has never had to do it before and isn't very good at it at this point.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

There is no "diva" act with regard to Graham and blocking, he just has never had to do it before and isn't very good at it at this point.

This. 'Aints used him pretty much as a WR.

 

[Boom84]

Look at some games from last year's Saints performances. I didn't see any performance that led you to believe his heart was into blocking.

Yes, he's not been asked to do this much blocking before, but Seattle's offensive identity is clearly established as one much more run-heavy that what Payton and Brees run. Graham knew that upon the trade, Michael Bennett indicated it was a weakness for Jimmy they exploited, and Jimmy mentioned in the preseason that he'd block more and be good at it. Well the effectiveness as a blocker has not shown up. If it shows up hallelujah, but I don't see any evidence to indicate that will happen.

Again, nice player, just not the best fit for what this team needs from the TE position in my opinion.

 

[CPHawk]

Look at some games from last year's Saints performances. I didn't see any performance that led you to believe his heart was into blocking.

Yes, he's not been asked to do this much blocking before, but Seattle's offensive identity is clearly established as one much more run-heavy that what Payton and Brees run. Graham knew that upon the trade, Michael Bennett indicated it was a weakness for Jimmy they exploited, and Jimmy mentioned in the preseason that he'd block more and be good at it. Well the effectiveness as a blocker has not shown up. If it shows up hallelujah, but I don't see any evidence to indicate that will happen.

Again, nice player, just not the best fit for what this team needs from the TE position in my opinion.

Your entire argument is moot, given the fact he wasn't asked to block. 60-70% one time he lined up out wide. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

 

[Boom84]

Look at some games from last year's Saints performances. I didn't see any performance that led you to believe his heart was into blocking.

Yes, he's not been asked to do this much blocking before, but Seattle's offensive identity is clearly established as one much more run-heavy that what Payton and Brees run. Graham knew that upon the trade, Michael Bennett indicated it was a weakness for Jimmy they exploited, and Jimmy mentioned in the preseason that he'd block more and be good at it. Well the effectiveness as a blocker has not shown up. If it shows up hallelujah, but I don't see any evidence to indicate that will happen.

Again, nice player, just not the best fit for what this team needs from the TE position in my opinion.

Your entire argument is moot, given the fact he wasn't asked to block. 60-70% one time he lined up out wide. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

That IS the point, why are we splitting him out so much? When doing so, what happens, or more clearly who lines up at the TE position to block when we need to run and control the edge? Will that be Graham or another player? Today it seemed to be Helfet was more effective when we needed to control the edge on running plays. The team even inserted Alvin Bailey as a extra blocker. My thought here is if Graham could at all be an asset in this area, those players might not have had to come in to help the offense in this resspect.

So if 60-70% of the time he's split wide, then in essence he's a slot receiver, NOT a TE. Maybe Graham likes that as he certainly wanted to be paid like a WR heading into last season (which he went to arbitration for) with the Saints.

Ultimately, what has the team gained with Graham split 60-70% of the time that the team could not have gotten from a combined contribution of Willson, Lockett, Helfet, and Matthews? Even giving the benefit of the doubt of Lockett not being a known commodity at the time Graham was acquired (he wasn't even drafted by the team yet), Luke Willson and Cooper Helfet definitely were. If Graham is not going to be utilized or when utilized in the blocking aspect of the position will be a liability, I don't believe his acquisition was worth it for this team.

 

[Treghc]

Look at some games from last year's Saints performances. I didn't see any performance that led you to believe his heart was into blocking.

Yes, he's not been asked to do this much blocking before, but Seattle's offensive identity is clearly established as one much more run-heavy that what Payton and Brees run. Graham knew that upon the trade, Michael Bennett indicated it was a weakness for Jimmy they exploited, and Jimmy mentioned in the preseason that he'd block more and be good at it. Well the effectiveness as a blocker has not shown up. If it shows up hallelujah, but I don't see any evidence to indicate that will happen.

Again, nice player, just not the best fit for what this team needs from the TE position in my opinion.

Your entire argument is moot, given the fact he wasn't asked to block. 60-70% one time he lined up out wide. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

That IS the point, why are we splitting him out so much? When doing so, what happens, or more clearly who lines up at the TE position to block when we need to run and control the edge? Will that be Graham or another player? Today it seemed to be Helfet was more effective when we needed to control the edge on running plays. The team even inserted Alvin Bailey as a extra blocker. My thought here is if Graham could at all be an asset in this area, those players might not have had to come in to help the offense in this resspect.

So if 60-70% of the time he's split wide, then in essence he's a slot receiver, NOT a TE. Maybe Graham likes that as he certainly wanted to be paid like a WR heading into last season (which he went to arbitration for) with the Saints.

Ultimately, what has the team gained with Graham split 60-70% of the time that the team could not have gotten from a combined contribution of Willson, Lockett, Helfet, and Matthews? Even giving the benefit of the doubt of Lockett not being a known commodity at the time Graham was acquired (he wasn't even drafted by the team yet), Luke Willson and Cooper Helfet definitely were. If Graham is not going to be utilized or when utilized in the blocking aspect of the position will be a liability, I don't believe his acquisition was worth it for this team.

How do you expect a guy - who was rarely ever asked to block - to block better? The only way you get better at something is by doing it. He'll catch on. Give him some time and don't overreact.