Kam out for year

[ChiefHawk]

Neck Injuries are no joke, so as much as I'd like to see Kam and Cliff playing, better that they do not.

Neck injury ended the career of my favorite Seahawk, Mack Strong.

Not to be played with - one more game is not worth a wheelchair.

 

[mikeak]

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/kam-chancellor-out-for-the-season-seattle-coach-pete-carroll-confirms-on-radio-show/

"But while it was advertised as $25 million guaranteed, only $13 million was guaranteed at signing with the rest becoming fully guaranteed in later seasons.

Well then that sucks for Kam but is better news to the team and it's future if this does keep him out for good.

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Nope the $12 million that wouldn't be fully guaranteed until next year is in fact guaranteed for injury

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... port-says/

"Chancellor signed a three-year, $36 million extension shortly before the season that included $13 million fully guaranteed and another $12 million guaranteed due to injury."

Friggen Times won't let me read anymore. So it is nearly $25M guaranteed essentially if he taps out after this season?

Sounds like we'd be on the hook for $12M then, or does the $$ he made this season come off that?

Well my quote was the only part that tied into money so you didn't miss anything as it relates to that. They didn't say anything but that part. It does however align with what I had heard from a few places that Kam's contract was heavily protected for injuries.

Now if we switch to Spotrac it seems to answer your question and it is Yes and No

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seah ... llor-6641/

So the $13 million was the full signing bonus and this year's salary. So that means Signing bonus for the three remaining years would hit next year -- $7.5 million all at once

Then if correct (no reason not to believe so) an additional $12 million would hit as injury guarantee

So 2018 cap hit would be $19.5 million - the cap hit was "supposed to be" $9.8 million so basically an extra $10million plus the loss of the player

Now I don't know how injury settlements etc works in regards to spreading the cap hit. Can they hold him until post June and cut him then and spread the money to future years etc -- sure some of that can be done

 

[hawkfan68]

Why is it that no one on this message board will not "call out" Cam's behavior for what it is? A primo donna. Yesteryear in the NFL, getting a "stinger" was common place. It was never a reason to leave the field for more than the rest of the game. Now we have a player who is talking/considering retirement.....sad.

If you're going to rag on a player...at least spell his name correctly. It's Kam not Cam. Cam is the dipshit in Carolina who thinks he's Superman.

 

[Bigpumpkin]

Why is it that no one on this message board will not "call out" Cam's behavior for what it is? A primo donna. Yesteryear in the NFL, getting a "stinger" was common place. It was never a reason to leave the field for more than the rest of the game. Now we have a player who is talking/considering retirement.....sad.

I know full well that you're supposed to attack the post and not the poster, and that attacking the poster can get you banned for a while.

You're an idiot Bigpumpkin.

As a board certified sports PT and athletic trainer I can tell you full well that while this may be "labeled" as a stinger, at least initially, if he is missing the remainder of the year and talking/considering retirement it means that there is one of these conditions that could have significant long term physical affects on him were he to continue playing and injure it further:

Cervical Fracture
Cervical Disc Protrusion
Significant Neuropraxia / Brachial Plexus injury
Spinal Cord or nerve root compression (or potential for these to occur with further damage).

Don't believe everything that you read Bigpumpkin and just assume that this is a minor injury and that Kam (maybe also try spelling his name correctly) is a prima donna. Don't be an idiot.

"Sticks and stones can break my bones...." I've simply put out another perspective that was real life in the NFL until the 21st Century. It is this "pansy ass" thinking that will have the NFL playing no contact flag football in the near future.
Is that what you want?

 

[vin.couve12]

Clicking on this thread was like unknowingly walking into an establishment where half the people were nazis and cannibals and what not.

 

[Cyrus12]

Why is it that no one on this message board will not "call out" Cam's behavior for what it is? A primo donna. Yesteryear in the NFL, getting a "stinger" was common place. It was never a reason to leave the field for more than the rest of the game. Now we have a player who is talking/considering retirement.....sad.

Are you an MD...maybe a specialist for spine related conditions? I am guessing you are because you speak like you know what's going on. Or maybe you don't and just look extremely unintelligent with your post. Actually just really stupid.

 

[IndyHawk]

Why is it that no one on this message board will not "call out" Cam's behavior for what it is? A primo donna. Yesteryear in the NFL, getting a "stinger" was common place. It was never a reason to leave the field for more than the rest of the game. Now we have a player who is talking/considering retirement.....sad.

I know full well that you're supposed to attack the post and not the poster, and that attacking the poster can get you banned for a while.

You're an idiot Bigpumpkin.

As a board certified sports PT and athletic trainer I can tell you full well that while this may be "labeled" as a stinger, at least initially, if he is missing the remainder of the year and talking/considering retirement it means that there is one of these conditions that could have significant long term physical affects on him were he to continue playing and injure it further:

Cervical Fracture
Cervical Disc Protrusion
Significant Neuropraxia / Brachial Plexus injury
Spinal Cord or nerve root compression (or potential for these to occur with further damage).

Don't believe everything that you read Bigpumpkin and just assume that this is a minor injury and that Kam (maybe also try spelling his name correctly) is a prima donna. Don't be an idiot.

"Sticks and stones can break my bones...." I've simply put out another perspective that was real life in the NFL until the 21st Century. It is this "pansy ass" thinking that will have the NFL playing no contact flag football in the near future.
Is that what you want?

I grew up watching from the late 70's and up..I understand the part where Bum is saying a stinger used to just put you out for the rest of the game,

It is obvious Kam and Avril had more than just a "stinger"so there is a misuse of that term.
As for how Bum worded his post I cannot excuse that.

 

[potatohead]

Anyway...

Do players not carry insurance for a career ending injury? I'd be surprised if they didn't, seems like common sense. Maybe it's already built into their contracts with the league.

 

[hgwellz12]

Props to everybody who participated in the current ethering of pumpkinhead deluxe. Your service to the community is honored.

 

[hgwellz12]

Anyway...

Do players not carry insurance for a career ending injury? I'd be surprised if they didn't, seems like common sense. Maybe it's already built into their contracts with the league.

Those are rare, but there are athletes who get them.

 

[rjas77]

Never would of guessed that stingers would be the injuries that would decimate our defense this year.

Right? Paul Allen is a billionaire and couldn't cough up the money for a decent apiarist?

 

[mikeak]

Anyway...

Do players not carry insurance for a career ending injury? I'd be surprised if they didn't, seems like common sense. Maybe it's already built into their contracts with the league.

Mainly carried by college players tied to draft status and injuries

Kam carried his insurance in the contract....

 

[hawknation2017]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Kam_Chancellor/status/935327167109521408[/tweet]

Hope Kam decides to come back next year. He was playing some of his best football this season before he got hurt.

 

[bigskydoc]

Concussions used to be shrugged off as nothing more than “getting your bell rung,” unless the player couldn’t physically stand up on his own.

C-spine and Brachial plexus injuries used to be shrugged off as “just a stinger,” unless the player physically couldn’t use his arms.

As our understanding of the long-term, permanent consequences of these injuries grows, and becomes more sophisticated, we have a greater appreciation for just how devastating these injuries can be.

To suggest a player like Kam, who has played through so much pain, is soft is simply moronic. To seriously suggest he should risk permanent paralysis just for your entertainment is despicably callous.

 

[Chukarhawk]

I think both Kam and Avril have played their last season of pro football

 

[olyfan63]

My point is that one can "shop" for a Neurologist who will give you the diagnosis that you want to hear.

Percy yes, Kam no. You may spare yourself some flack to just drop this and just assume it is very serious.

So totally this, Percy was looking for any possible way to malinger, IMO. If you remember Pete during that timeframe, how he seemed baffled, frustrated, even exasperated with the Harvin "hip injury" situation when speaking with the media; apparently Pete had already figured Percy out by then. Notice Pete speaks with total respect, even reverence, for Avril and Chancellor and the process each of them is going through. True warriors, both.

 

[Rocket]

Well gaaaaawwwLeeee gents and gals, we have a new post reminiscent of the posts of Gomer Pyle, USMC. No offense meant to the Marines Mr. Utz.
The Strong Safety's name is Kam and he's listening to his doctors... a novel approach taught at the true school of hard knocks. I'm glad Kam's paying attention in class.

 

[oldhawkfan]

I haven't seen anywhere if he has been IR'd. If he hadn't and they are saying he's done for the year, what's the hold up? Or are they saying he's done but holding out hope that he wont?