Your a hard man to argue with 12 and i can appreciate that. Don't forget that the in year 2 with Shotty and Norton and the offesne statically has been just one of the best in franchise history and while the defense has sucked let's not forget they lost a bunch of studs all at once, which is tough to bounce from.
If they're that much better, how did they let their teams get into a hole in the first place? Seattle hasn't been in a "hole" yet.
Uncle Si":wb52luq6 said:I think he needs a new OC and an assistant that can help with game management
ddores":3jai3n83 said:Remember the Mora era?
We've got it pretty good.
John63":1y4ml0cd said:Uncle Si":1y4ml0cd said:This is an 11-5 team that missed 12-4 and a division championship by 2 millimeters..
People can certainly complain about the inefficiencies in game planning and clock management. Its hyperbolic to make this team out like they just went 6-10.
The system works because its been the most effective and consistent way to win football games for decades. Noone has proved that differently.. and the Patriots are not much different.
hmm well since 2014 we are 2-3 in the playoffs, what good is s system that wins in the regular season but can't in the post season.
John63":1y4ml0cd said:Here is another what if 1 year you loose the first game, next year you loose the 2nd, then the 3rd. Its called improving.
Talent acquisition is a big one for Carroll. Since he is both the HC and final say on player acquisition he can get guys that are tailored to fit his system. Most HC's have to finagle whatever the GM gives them. Holmgren for example of this with Ruskell. Carroll is good at finding value from free agents as depth, and while drafting hasn't been nearly as good he still has found good role players. HC's such as Payton and Harbaugh don't get as big of a say. In Payton's case they've had to deal with some very bad defenses, like historically bad in some cases due to lack of talent.12AngryHawks":1xwr3djv said:If they're that much better, how did they let their teams get into a hole in the first place? Seattle hasn't been in a "hole" yet.
Well, I would say, in Harbaugh's case, he didn't have Russell Wilson under center, and as for Payton, he didn't have either enough talent, or the right staff, I remember their D was pretty horrid those 3 years.
They obviously are still great coaches, if they weren't, their teams would still be mediocre. As for this team, I wouldn't say they've never been in a hole, their hole just wasn't as deep, and I think Wilson mitigated that. 2017 was the deepest their hole went, but they had those few seasons since SB49, where the players themselves got the shovels out, and started sabotaging the team.
Not saying Pete is a bad coach, if he was, Seattle wouldn't be the team that they've been for the past decade, all I was saying, was that Payton & Harbaugh were better at certain aspects of being a HC than Carroll. I think my point just got lost in the shuffle.
And each have the same number of Super Bowl wins as Pete. Payton has one of the all-time greatest QBs ever and runs the exact kind of system John63 and others here want to see the Seahawks run yet he's made fewer playoff appearances in the last 10 years than Pete has. I will agree Harbaugh was hamstrung by Flacco but results still speak for themselves. Those are facts folks. Look 'em up.12AngryHawks":3te92mfm said:getnasty":3te92mfm said:Can someone tell what a good coach is? Outside of BB who is a good coach and why?
John Harbaugh & Sean Payton, I think are good examples of good head coaches.....
Holy crap don't use metric - if people can't figure out why Pete should stay, the metric system is well beyond their reach.Uncle Si":1qrwz3gs said:This is an 11-5 team that missed 12-4 and a division championship by 2 millimeters..
hawksfansinceday1":2wj5em1u said:And each have the same number of Super Bowl wins as Pete. Payton has one of the all-time greatest QBs ever and runs the exact kind of system John63 and others here want to see the Seahawks run yet he's made fewer playoff appearances in the last 10 years than Pete has. I will agree Harbaugh was hamstrung by Flacco but results still speak for themselves. Those are facts folks. Look 'em up.12AngryHawks":2wj5em1u said:getnasty":2wj5em1u said:Can someone tell what a good coach is? Outside of BB who is a good coach and why?
John Harbaugh & Sean Payton, I think are good examples of good head coaches.....
hawksfansinceday1":ctrfjnup said:hawksfansinceday1":ctrfjnup said:And each have the same number of Super Bowl wins as Pete. Payton has one of the all-time greatest QBs ever and runs the exact kind of system John63 and others here want to see the Seahawks run yet he's made fewer playoff appearances in the last 10 years than Pete has. I will agree Harbaugh was hamstrung by Flacco but results still speak for themselves. Those are facts folks. Look 'em up.12AngryHawks":ctrfjnup said:getnasty":ctrfjnup said:Can someone tell what a good coach is? Outside of BB who is a good coach and why?
John Harbaugh & Sean Payton, I think are good examples of good head coaches.....
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Really wasn't directed your way, more in general because those are 2 of the better HCs in the NFL and Pete stacks up very well against them and everyone else not names Belichick.12AngryHawks":29f98t2r said:hawksfansinceday1":29f98t2r said:hawksfansinceday1":29f98t2r said:And each have the same number of Super Bowl wins as Pete. Payton has one of the all-time greatest QBs ever and runs the exact kind of system John63 and others here want to see the Seahawks run yet he's made fewer playoff appearances in the last 10 years than Pete has. I will agree Harbaugh was hamstrung by Flacco but results still speak for themselves. Those are facts folks. Look 'em up.12AngryHawks":29f98t2r said:John Harbaugh & Sean Payton, I think are good examples of good head coaches.....
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I'm sorry, was I supposed to say more than I've already said? All I said was Harbaugh & Payton were good coaches. Can you argue with that? People seem to think I'm singing their praises while pleading for PC to be fired. Read my words again if you're confused. There's no need to get so defensive just because I shared an opinion.
Really wasn't directed your way, more in general because those are 2 of the better HCs in the NFL and Pete stacks up very well against them and everyone else not names Belichick.