Pete can and will build a contender again

[Ambrose83]

Same blue print. Same nasty D and beefed up O line and running game. Get rid of Brown, Wagner and Wilson for cap space and draft capital and insert a coachable rookie quarterback and win another chip. This isn't rocket science, Wilson takes up 20% and doesn't live up to expectations time to trim the fat.

You sir shall be hammered and hammered hard by team Russ, they shall tell you that without Russ, we are the Jets of the west lol.

Because we would be.. it's idiotic letting Russ go... It's unreal to me how many of you think otherwise.

 

[kf3339]

Same blue print. Same nasty D and beefed up O line and running game. Get rid of Brown, Wagner and Wilson for cap space and draft capital and insert a coachable rookie quarterback and win another chip. This isn't rocket science, Wilson takes up 20% and doesn't live up to expectations time to trim the fat.

If you even watch PC at all it's obvious that he is done as a head coach. Every other NFL team would have shown him the door several years ago.

 

[kf3339]

I wonder if PC/JS would be open to bringing back Scot McCloughan as an personnel executive. He was instrumental in constructing the Seahawks from 2010 -2013. There was a huge drop when he left the organization. He may be the "X" factor in getting the team constructed as a contender again -
https://www.hawkblogger.com/2015/11/the-titanic-wake-of-scot-mccloughan.html

According to this, he might still be consultant with Philly -
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...been-working-for-eagles-since-2017-per-report

His problem is staying sober long enough to help

I'd take a drunk Scot McCloughan over a sober PC. Especially in the early rounds.

Or just fire JS and let McGloughan be the GM with player control. Take away PC's power especially during the draft, trades and FA signings, then see what he can do. That is if he wants to keep PC, which I seriously doubt would happen.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Wish it could be. His message has been lost. He was damn good, but it's time to move on from Pete.

 

[HawkOG70’]

Wish it could be. His message has been lost. He was damn good, but it's time to move on from Pete.

So what do you suggest? Keep 2 players who's cap hits take up the vast majority of the team's wages without fruitful results? Let's return to what actually made this team great. Football is still about smashing the other team in the mouth am I right? Drafting a rookie quarterback with a good accurate arm is what we need, thus allowing us to sign some good free agents and then stacking depth

 

[Jerhawk]

Wish it could be. His message has been lost. He was damn good, but it's time to move on from Pete.

I'm shocked to read this from you man.
I mean that as no offense but you were always in Pete's corner. And I agree with you.

In regards to a rebuild, if we do that route, let's do it again with a college coach with an inside track on good talent the next couple years with prior NFL experience. Jim Harbaugh

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Not me. I've been wanting them to move on from Pete all year. It's time.

 

[keasley45]

Same blue print. Same nasty D and beefed up O line and running game. Get rid of Brown, Wagner and Wilson for cap space and draft capital and insert a coachable rookie quarterback and win another chip. This isn't rocket science, Wilson takes up 20% and doesn't live up to expectations time to trim the fat.

Could he? Sure, anything is possible. There are pieces in place. Here is where you lost me:

“insert a coachable rookie quarterback”

Is it really that easy? Inserting a coachable rookie QB first hinges on the ability to find one. Every single year, there are highly regarded QBs that are draft eligible that teams and fans drool all over. Every single year there are at least half of these guys who are busts and don’t pan out. Basing your future success on picking a QB off the magic QB tree. Hmmmm, should we pick a franchise QB off the tree this year or should we just grab a coachable rookie that will do everything needed to get a championship?

If everything from management of the team to the current starting QB, remains status quo, and they are honestly able to identify the strengths and weaknesses of the team, and find suitable pieces in free agency and find at least a couple of nuggets in the draft, then yes, this team will be a contender again fairly quickly.

true, but as the last 5 years have shown, this isnt the 80s and 90s when the college game and pro game differed significantly. The NFL is MUCH more accessible to QBs today than its ever been because the offenses are similar. Its not an abberation that KC, Cincy, the Chargers, Pats, Ravens, Houston and to a lesser degree, Miami, Philly and chicago have 'rookie' starters in place - some of which have literally set the league on fire. And all of the above teams have winning records with the exception of Houston.

So getting a guy like Kenny Pickett with the draft capital we could get in return for Russ isnt a pipe dream. And guys like matt Corral and Carson Strong are certainly within reach. Strong , the lowest ranked on many boards of the three above has the big arm that Pete loves, protects the ball well, and put up pretty impressive numbers passing despite having little run support. No reason to think he couldnt succeed in a system built around him to limit his liabilities and maximize his strengths.

The Pats have done as much with Jones this year...

 

[oldhawkfan]

Wish it could be. His message has been lost. He was damn good, but it's time to move on from Pete.

So what do you suggest? Keep 2 players who's cap hits take up the vast majority of the team's wages without fruitful results? Let's return to what actually made this team great. Football is still about smashing the other team in the mouth am I right? Drafting a rookie quarterback with a good accurate arm is what we need, thus allowing us to sign some good free agents and then stacking depth

Like who for example? Sam Darnold? Josh Rosen? Mitch Trubisky? Jared Goff?

Since the 2017 draft (that is 5 years of drafts), there have been 56 QBs drafted during the 6 rounds of the NFL draft. 19 of them have started at least one game this year. Most of those starts were due to injuries to the #1 guy. Out of those 19, 6 are from the 2021 draft which includes Davis Mills for the Texans. Out of those 19, I count about 7-8 that have a chance to be long term starters. I'm not counting this years rookie class because some of them start only out of necessity and not exactly talent. So if we extrapolate that over a 4-5 year span, there are roughly 1-2 guys per year that might pan out as viable starters. Not exactly great odds for replacing a franchise QB with no 1st round pick!

From the 2013 draft through 2016, there are 4 starters in the league if you want to count Jimmy Garrapolo. Thats 4 QBs from 4 years of drafts. Its difficult to find serviceable QBs let alone franchise QBs. 1-2 teams per year are lucky enough to hit on the small sample size of guys who can get the job done. If we look at the years 2013-2020, I see 5-6 guys that will most likely still be playing in five years barring injury.

It took the Seahawks 37 years to find a franchise QB. Some of you want to get rid of #3 because he doesn't fit your precoceived perceptions of a franchise QB. Some of you want to get rid of him because hes too short, too old, too robotic, too corny, ... The fact is, Russell Wilson is by far the best QB this team has ever had. He continues to set records every year for 10 straight years. Even in a year where he missed his first games due to injury. That in itself should be cause for celebration. In 10 years, he has missed three games!

In the last 10 years, one could argue that there are maybe 5 guys that could be labeled as franchise QBs. Russell Wilson is one of them.

Here is the list of drafted QBs from 2017-2021. Come to your own conclusions as you will, but the most important conclusion by all should be that it isn't easy to find a franchise QB, let alone one that can provide some quality starts.



Quarterbacks
Year No. Round Pick Player Name Team College
2021
1 1 1 1 Trevor Lawrence Jaguars Clemson
2 1 2 2 Zach Wilson Jets Brigham Young
3 1 3 3 Trey Lance 49ers North Dakota State
4 1 11 11 Justin Fields Bears Ohio State
5 1 15 15 Mac Jones Patriots Alabama
6 2 32 64 Kyle Trask Buccaneers Florida
7 3 2 66 Kellen Mond Vikings Texas A&M
8 3 3 67 Davis Mills Texans Stanford
9 4 28 133 Ian Book Saints Notre Dame
10 6 34 218 Sam Ehlinger Colts Texas
2020
1 1 1 1 Joe Burrow Bengals Louisiana State
2 1 5 5 Tua Tagovailoa Dolphins Alabama
3 1 6 6 Justin Herbert Chargers Oregon
4 1 26 26 Jordan Love Packers Utah State
5 2 21 53 Jalen Hurts Eagles Oklahoma
6 4 16 122 Jacob Eason Colts Washington
7 4 19 125 James Morgan Jets Florida International
8 5 21 167 Jake Fromm Bills Georgia
9 6 10 189 Jake Luton Jaguars Oregon State
10 7 10 224 Cole McDonald Titans Hawaii
11 7 17 231 Ben DiNucci Cowboys James Madison
12 7 26 240 Tommy Stevens Saints Mississippi State
13 7 30 244 Nate Stanley Vikings Iowa
2019
1 1 1 1 Kyler Murray Cardinals Oklahoma
2 1 6 6 Daniel Jones Giants Duke
3 1 15 15 Dwayne Haskins Redskins Ohio State
4 2 10 42 Drew Lock Broncos Missouri
5 3 36 100 Will Grier Panthers West Virginia
6 4 2 104 Ryan Finley Bengals North Carolina State
7 4 31 133 Jarrett Stidham Patriots Auburn
8 5 28 166 Easton Stick Chargers North Dakota State
9 5 29 167 Clayton Thorson Eagles Northwestern
10 6 5 178 Gardner Minshew Jaguars Washington State
11 6 24 197 Trace McSorley Ravens Penn State
2018
1 1 1 1 Baker Mayfield Browns Oklahoma
2 1 3 3 Sam Darnold Jets USC
3 1 7 7 Josh Allen Bills Wyoming
4 1 10 10 Josh Rosen Cardinals UCLA
5 1 32 32 Lamar Jackson Ravens Louisville
6 3 12 76 Mason Rudolph Steelers Oklahoma State
7 4 8 108 Kyle Lauletta Giants Richmond
8 5 34 171 Mike White Cowboys Western Kentucky
9 6 25 199 Luke Falk Titans Washington State
10 6 29 203 Tanner Lee Jaguars Nebraska
11 7 1 219 Danny Etling Patriots Louisiana State
12 7 2 220 Alex McGough Seahawks Florida International
13 7 31 249 Logan Woodside Bengals Toledo
2017
1 1 2 2 Mitchell Trubisky Bears North Carolina
2 1 10 10 Patrick Mahomes Chiefs Texas Tech
3 1 12 12 Deshaun Watson Texans Clemson
4 2 20 52 DeShone Kizer Browns Notre Dame
5 3 23 87 Davis Webb Giants California
6 3 40 104 C.J. Beathard 49ers Iowa
7 4 29 135 Joshua Dobbs Steelers Tennessee
8 5 28 171 Nathan Peterman Bills Pittsburgh
9 6 32 215 Brad Kaaya Lions Miami (FL)
10 7 35 253 Chad Kelly Broncos Mississippi

 

[keasley45]

Wish it could be. His message has been lost. He was damn good, but it's time to move on from Pete.

So what do you suggest? Keep 2 players who's cap hits take up the vast majority of the team's wages without fruitful results? Let's return to what actually made this team great. Football is still about smashing the other team in the mouth am I right? Drafting a rookie quarterback with a good accurate arm is what we need, thus allowing us to sign some good free agents and then stacking depth

Like who for example? Sam Darnold? Josh Rosen? Mitch Trubisky? Jared Goff?

Since the 2017 draft (that is 5 years of drafts), there have been 56 QBs drafted during the 6 rounds of the NFL draft. 19 of them have started at least one game this year. Most of those starts were due to injuries to the #1 guy. Out of those 19, 6 are from the 2021 draft which includes Davis Mills for the Texans. Out of those 19, I count about 7-8 that have a chance to be long term starters. I'm not counting this years rookie class because some of them start only out of necessity and not exactly talent. So if we extrapolate that over a 4-5 year span, there are roughly 1-2 guys per year that might pan out as viable starters. Not exactly great odds for replacing a franchise QB with no 1st round pick!

From the 2013 draft through 2016, there are 4 starters in the league if you want to count Jimmy Garrapolo. Thats 4 QBs from 4 years of drafts. Its difficult to find serviceable QBs let alone franchise QBs. 1-2 teams per year are lucky enough to hit on the small sample size of guys who can get the job done. If we look at the years 2013-2020, I see 5-6 guys that will most likely still be playing in five years barring injury.

It took the Seahawks 37 years to find a franchise QB. Some of you want to get rid of #3 because he doesn't fit your precoceived perceptions of a franchise QB. Some of you want to get rid of him because hes too short, too old, too robotic, too corny, ... The fact is, Russell Wilson is by far the best QB this team has ever had. He continues to set records every year for 10 straight years. Even in a year where he missed his first games due to injury. That in itself should be cause for celebration. In 10 years, he has missed three games!

In the last 10 years, one could argue that there are maybe 5 guys that could be labeled as franchise QBs. Russell Wilson is one of them.

Here is the list of drafted QBs from 2017-2021. Come to your own conclusions as you will, but the most important conclusion by all should be that it isn't easy to find a franchise QB, let alone one that can provide some quality starts.



Quarterbacks
Year No. Round Pick Player Name Team College
2021
1 1 1 1 Trevor Lawrence Jaguars Clemson
2 1 2 2 Zach Wilson Jets Brigham Young
3 1 3 3 Trey Lance 49ers North Dakota State
4 1 11 11 Justin Fields Bears Ohio State
5 1 15 15 Mac Jones Patriots Alabama
6 2 32 64 Kyle Trask Buccaneers Florida
7 3 2 66 Kellen Mond Vikings Texas A&M
8 3 3 67 Davis Mills Texans Stanford
9 4 28 133 Ian Book Saints Notre Dame
10 6 34 218 Sam Ehlinger Colts Texas
2020
1 1 1 1 Joe Burrow Bengals Louisiana State
2 1 5 5 Tua Tagovailoa Dolphins Alabama
3 1 6 6 Justin Herbert Chargers Oregon
4 1 26 26 Jordan Love Packers Utah State
5 2 21 53 Jalen Hurts Eagles Oklahoma
6 4 16 122 Jacob Eason Colts Washington
7 4 19 125 James Morgan Jets Florida International
8 5 21 167 Jake Fromm Bills Georgia
9 6 10 189 Jake Luton Jaguars Oregon State
10 7 10 224 Cole McDonald Titans Hawaii
11 7 17 231 Ben DiNucci Cowboys James Madison
12 7 26 240 Tommy Stevens Saints Mississippi State
13 7 30 244 Nate Stanley Vikings Iowa
2019
1 1 1 1 Kyler Murray Cardinals Oklahoma
2 1 6 6 Daniel Jones Giants Duke
3 1 15 15 Dwayne Haskins Redskins Ohio State
4 2 10 42 Drew Lock Broncos Missouri
5 3 36 100 Will Grier Panthers West Virginia
6 4 2 104 Ryan Finley Bengals North Carolina State
7 4 31 133 Jarrett Stidham Patriots Auburn
8 5 28 166 Easton Stick Chargers North Dakota State
9 5 29 167 Clayton Thorson Eagles Northwestern
10 6 5 178 Gardner Minshew Jaguars Washington State
11 6 24 197 Trace McSorley Ravens Penn State
2018
1 1 1 1 Baker Mayfield Browns Oklahoma
2 1 3 3 Sam Darnold Jets USC
3 1 7 7 Josh Allen Bills Wyoming
4 1 10 10 Josh Rosen Cardinals UCLA
5 1 32 32 Lamar Jackson Ravens Louisville
6 3 12 76 Mason Rudolph Steelers Oklahoma State
7 4 8 108 Kyle Lauletta Giants Richmond
8 5 34 171 Mike White Cowboys Western Kentucky
9 6 25 199 Luke Falk Titans Washington State
10 6 29 203 Tanner Lee Jaguars Nebraska
11 7 1 219 Danny Etling Patriots Louisiana State
12 7 2 220 Alex McGough Seahawks Florida International
13 7 31 249 Logan Woodside Bengals Toledo
2017
1 1 2 2 Mitchell Trubisky Bears North Carolina
2 1 10 10 Patrick Mahomes Chiefs Texas Tech
3 1 12 12 Deshaun Watson Texans Clemson
4 2 20 52 DeShone Kizer Browns Notre Dame
5 3 23 87 Davis Webb Giants California
6 3 40 104 C.J. Beathard 49ers Iowa
7 4 29 135 Joshua Dobbs Steelers Tennessee
8 5 28 171 Nathan Peterman Bills Pittsburgh
9 6 32 215 Brad Kaaya Lions Miami (FL)
10 7 35 253 Chad Kelly Broncos Mississippi

Quarterbacks
Year No. Round Pick Player Name Team College
2021
1 1 1 1 Trevor Lawrence Jaguars Clemson
2 1 2 2 Zach Wilson Jets Brigham Young
3 1 3 3 Trey Lance 49ers North Dakota State
4 1 11 11 Justin Fields Bears Ohio State
5 1 15 15 Mac Jones Patriots Alabama
6 2 32 64 Kyle Trask Buccaneers Florida
7 3 2 66 Kellen Mond Vikings Texas A&M
8 3 3 67 Davis Mills Texans Stanford
9 4 28 133 Ian Book Saints Notre Dame
10 6 34 218 Sam Ehlinger Colts Texas
2020
1 1 1 1 Joe Burrow Bengals Louisiana State
2 1 5 5 Tua Tagovailoa Dolphins Alabama
3 1 6 6 Justin Herbert Chargers Oregon
4 1 26 26 Jordan Love Packers Utah State
5 2 21 53 Jalen Hurts Eagles Oklahoma
6 4 16 122 Jacob Eason Colts Washington
7 4 19 125 James Morgan Jets Florida International
8 5 21 167 Jake Fromm Bills Georgia
9 6 10 189 Jake Luton Jaguars Oregon State
10 7 10 224 Cole McDonald Titans Hawaii
11 7 17 231 Ben DiNucci Cowboys James Madison
12 7 26 240 Tommy Stevens Saints Mississippi State
13 7 30 244 Nate Stanley Vikings Iowa
2019
1 1 1 1 Kyler Murray Cardinals Oklahoma
2 1 6 6 Daniel Jones Giants Duke
3 1 15 15 Dwayne Haskins Redskins Ohio State
4 2 10 42 Drew Lock Broncos Missouri
5 3 36 100 Will Grier Panthers West Virginia
6 4 2 104 Ryan Finley Bengals North Carolina State
7 4 31 133 Jarrett Stidham Patriots Auburn
8 5 28 166 Easton Stick Chargers North Dakota State
9 5 29 167 Clayton Thorson Eagles Northwestern
10 6 5 178 Gardner Minshew Jaguars Washington State
11 6 24 197 Trace McSorley Ravens Penn State
2018
1 1 1 1 Baker Mayfield Browns Oklahoma
2 1 3 3 Sam Darnold Jets USC
3 1 7 7 Josh Allen Bills Wyoming
4 1 10 10 Josh Rosen Cardinals UCLA
5 1 32 32 Lamar Jackson Ravens Louisville
6 3 12 76 Mason Rudolph Steelers Oklahoma State
7 4 8 108 Kyle Lauletta Giants Richmond
8 5 34 171 Mike White Cowboys Western Kentucky
9 6 25 199 Luke Falk Titans Washington State
10 6 29 203 Tanner Lee Jaguars Nebraska
11 7 1 219 Danny Etling Patriots Louisiana State
12 7 2 220 Alex McGough Seahawks Florida International
13 7 31 249 Logan Woodside Bengals Toledo
2017
1 1 2 2 Mitchell Trubisky Bears North Carolina
2 1 10 10 Patrick Mahomes Chiefs Texas Tech
3 1 12 12 Deshaun Watson Texans Clemson
4 2 20 52 DeShone Kizer Browns Notre Dame
5 3 23 87 Davis Webb Giants California
6 3 40 104 C.J. Beathard 49ers Iowa
7 4 29 135 Joshua Dobbs Steelers Tennessee
8 5 28 171 Nathan Peterman Bills Pittsburgh
9 6 32 215 Brad Kaaya Lions Miami (FL)
10 7 35 253 Chad Kelly Broncos Mississippi

Thats all really good info, but i dont think you should toss out guys that show ability but have either been strapped to questionable FO's and coaching staffs, or could still develop over the next few years. An example would be Josh Allen who did little his first 2 years but has blossomed into one of the leagues top talents. If you slice the deck that way, there are significantly more viable options, particularly if you arent bringing the guy in to be the focal point of the offense (which we wouldnt) as many young qbs are and to their detriment. Drew Lock still has potential, as does Sam Darnold. Sam in particular had a pretty unfortunate start with the Jets, as had Wilson. Would Josh Allen had faired any better there? i think not. Same goes for just about anyone who lands in Jacksonville.

Your list also shows (depending on how you cut it), that if you draft your guy in the first 3 rounds over the last 3 years, youve got a decent shot at getting a starter. Elite franchise guy? maybe remains to be seen, but how many of their are there in the league at any given time? And, we didnt need an elite franchise guy to get to our superbowls, and we havent won anything significant since our guy became the focal point of the offense.

The part that i'd argue with is that Russ isn't a franchise guy in the same way that the top franchise guys in the league are. And the stats prove particularly this year that regardless of injury, when the offense rides on his arm instead of the legs of our RB's, we don't fair well. That's not dislike, ageism, or prejudice of any sort. His franchise abilities arent the stuff of traditional qbs. And he has pushed back on the idea of 'dialing things back' this season and last. So when you talk about keeping Wilson, his willingness to play a style of ball that actually allows us to be successful is a major part of the equation. He doesn't seem to want that. And his resistance, and insistence on throwing when we COULD have used a more managerial approach at the position cost us games.

And I'd argue Dave Krieg was a franchise QB every bit as much as Boomer Esiason was. So were Warren Moon, and Matt Hasselbeck.

 

[GaiusMarius]

Wish it could be. His message has been lost. He was damn good, but it's time to move on from Pete.

So what do you suggest? Keep 2 players who's cap hits take up the vast majority of the team's wages without fruitful results? Let's return to what actually made this team great. Football is still about smashing the other team in the mouth am I right? Drafting a rookie quarterback with a good accurate arm is what we need, thus allowing us to sign some good free agents and then stacking depth

The upcoming draft is a mess. Finding that QB is VERY hard.

Who will be the QB if we trade Wilson? How many franchise QBs have the Seahawks had in their history?

 

[djb28]

Na. He will be a Raiders coach next season. He's gonna be gone.

 

[olyfan63]

Same blue print. Same nasty D and beefed up O line and running game. Get rid of Brown, Wagner and Wilson for cap space and draft capital and insert a coachable rookie quarterback and win another chip. This isn't rocket science, Wilson takes up 20% and doesn't live up to expectations time to trim the fat.

I find you unnecessarily troll-y in some other threads, but nevertheless amusing, but I happen to believe you are 99.9% on the money on this. Your gift of being blunt and direct is well-expressed here.

The model you describe took us to two SBs. Wilson is significantly underperforming his contract. Pete Carroll's successful 2013-14 teams were built on having many players massively overperform their contract. We had a QB on a cheap rookie deal and that left enough salary cap to have an eilte D.

 

[olyfan63]

...
Your list also shows (depending on how you cut it), that if you draft your guy in the first 3 rounds over the last 3 years, youve got a decent shot at getting a starter. Elite franchise guy? maybe remains to be seen, but how many of their are there in the league at any given time? And, we didnt need an elite franchise guy to get to our superbowls, and we havent won anything significant since our guy became the focal point of the offense.

The part that i'd argue with is that Russ isn't a franchise guy in the same way that the top franchise guys in the league are. And the stats prove particularly this year that regardless of injury, when the offense rides on his arm instead of the legs of our RB's, we don't fair well. That's not dislike, ageism, or prejudice of any sort. His franchise abilities arent the stuff of traditional qbs. And he has pushed back on the idea of 'dialing things back' this season and last. So when you talk about keeping Wilson, his willingness to play a style of ball that actually allows us to be successful is a major part of the equation. He doesn't seem to want that. And his resistance, and insistence on throwing when we COULD have used a more managerial approach at the position cost us games.

And I'd argue Dave Krieg was a franchise QB every bit as much as Boomer Esiason was. So were Warren Moon, and Matt Hasselbeck.

Krieg took us to an AFC Championship game, as did Hasselbeck. Moon was amazing.

I'd love to see us snag Gardner Minshew.

 

[WmHBonney]

The only thing Pete is building is his retirement fund. He and Russ are both being paid more than they are worth.

 

[lukerguy]

Same blue print. Same nasty D and beefed up O line and running game. Get rid of Brown, Wagner and Wilson for cap space and draft capital and insert a coachable rookie quarterback and win another chip. This isn't rocket science, Wilson takes up 20% and doesn't live up to expectations time to trim the fat.

thanks for the laugh. Not going to happen. he no longer has inside knowledge on college players and he still needed a Qb who could make magic, not just any QB will do.

The Seahawks went 1-2 under Geno Smith a below average backup QB in this league. The two losses were playoff teams that they lost by a combined 6 points. Both games were in reach to win in the final minutes. Under 13 games with Russ, we've beat 2 playoff teams.

You don't think that with an additional 20% in cap space, 3 1st rounders, and a chance to groom/choose a new QB, they couldn't build a winning team? The team came together in those 3 games- and even though Geno couldn't quite come through, I enjoyed watching those games and felt the team looked motivated without him.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Same blue print. Same nasty D and beefed up O line and running game. Get rid of Brown, Wagner and Wilson for cap space and draft capital and insert a coachable rookie quarterback and win another chip. This isn't rocket science, Wilson takes up 20% and doesn't live up to expectations time to trim the fat.

thanks for the laugh. Not going to happen. he no longer has inside knowledge on college players and he still needed a Qb who could make magic, not just any QB will do.

The Seahawks went 1-2 under Geno Smith a below average backup QB in this league. The two losses were playoff teams that they lost by a combined 6 points. Both games were in reach to win in the final minutes. Under 13 games with Russ, we've beat 2 playoff teams.

You don't think that with an additional 20% in cap space, 3 1st rounders, and a chance to groom/choose a new QB, they couldn't build a winning team? The team came together in those 3 games- and even though Geno couldn't quite come through, I enjoyed watching those games and felt the team looked motivated without him.

If the kicker makes his FGs Geno is 2-1 in those 3 games.