QB controversy in 9ers land?
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SoulfishHawk
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Niner fans have been jealous of the Hawks having Wilson since he got here. It's a beautiful thing.
JGfromtheNW
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NINEster":2j96ql39 said:
I want to say next level trolling, but this is just the same played out crap we had to tolerate 2012-2015. 5 Rusty Rings right? Before the salary cap? I guess you got one the year that the salary cap was implemented, so we're about even there. Unfortunately an entire generation removed from anything of note other than a Super Bowl loss and being a distant 2nd in division titles in the NFCW.
I couldn't care less what you've got to say about QBs, same goes for Pats fans who've been spoiled by all-time greats (and middle of the road QBs posting winning records when TB12 was injured). Not to put words in your mouth, but I'm sure you were beating the Kaepernick drum in regards to Kaep v. Wilson.
The league knows what Russ is, arguably a top 5 QB, but GQ has done virtually nothing in the league. At this point he'd basically have to perform at an elite level for a few years in a row to even be eligible to hold RW's jock.
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NINEster":3o0tzw9y said:
It's not semantics. NFL fandom does not revolve around the 49ers. I didn't become a Hawks fan because I hated the Niners and they were rivals. The Hawks were in the AFC West when I became a fan.
As for Jimmy G, calling him elite or better than Wilson just displays what a homer you are. No one but a Whiner fan could say that. In 2012, when Wilson, as a rookie, went silent assassin on the Patriots and Bears, I didn't go out and make claims that he was elite. You earn that status. Wilson has 196 TDs, 25,624 passing yards, and a career 100.3 rating. Jimmy G has missed more time as a backup than Wilson has in his career. Wilson is elite. GQ is a mannequin with a football helmet by comparison.
Jimmy G. Elite. What a #$%&ing joke. Troll.
SoulfishHawk
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What has pretty boy ever done in this league other than win some meaningless games? I'll go ahead and wait...……
Elite???? :roll:
Russ is going to be a hall of famer and is already one of the best closers in the history of the NFL.
Elite???? :roll:
Russ is going to be a hall of famer and is already one of the best closers in the history of the NFL.
JGfromtheNW
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I think GQ banged some gross second rate pornstar, so he's got that going for him right?
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Nah, she was a super adult film star.JGfromtheNW":2b14k4nh said:
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Well, this thread has degraded into just sh*t talking. Sigh.
I'll just make a few points...
1) I am not jealous that you guys have Russell Wilson. I respect the guy and his ability a great deal, but I'm not exactly a fan.
2) Its similar to Sherman. Dude is great, but I wasn't like "why can't the Niner have that guy". Of course, twist of fate, he ended up in SF and to be real, not sure I'll ever get used to that.
3) The sh*t talking is actually pretty boring until the Niners actually do something. Seahawks have been better over the recent long haul. No use denying that. That won't always be the case though.
4) As for original topic, as I said, its Jimmy Gs team. He's not going anywhere. He's not on any hotseat. The attached video is pure conjecture from people who want to make a story where there isn't one.
As for all the people here ripping Jimmy, its really quite funny. I don't think you guys even believe what your saying. You just really WANT it to be true. I have no idea how he's gonna work out, but outside of the injury, I've seen nothing from him whatsoever that tells me he won't be a very good NFL QB...if he can stay healthy.
Injuries are funny things. A guy gets a few in a short time and he's labelled injury prone. Its a fair criticism and sometimes those guys are simply too fragile to play the game.
Sometimes tho its just a damn fluke. Frank Gore is a great example of that. I got no idea which of those examples is representative of Jimmy, but neither does anyone else here.
I'll just make a few points...
1) I am not jealous that you guys have Russell Wilson. I respect the guy and his ability a great deal, but I'm not exactly a fan.
2) Its similar to Sherman. Dude is great, but I wasn't like "why can't the Niner have that guy". Of course, twist of fate, he ended up in SF and to be real, not sure I'll ever get used to that.
3) The sh*t talking is actually pretty boring until the Niners actually do something. Seahawks have been better over the recent long haul. No use denying that. That won't always be the case though.
4) As for original topic, as I said, its Jimmy Gs team. He's not going anywhere. He's not on any hotseat. The attached video is pure conjecture from people who want to make a story where there isn't one.
As for all the people here ripping Jimmy, its really quite funny. I don't think you guys even believe what your saying. You just really WANT it to be true. I have no idea how he's gonna work out, but outside of the injury, I've seen nothing from him whatsoever that tells me he won't be a very good NFL QB...if he can stay healthy.
Injuries are funny things. A guy gets a few in a short time and he's labelled injury prone. Its a fair criticism and sometimes those guys are simply too fragile to play the game.
Sometimes tho its just a damn fluke. Frank Gore is a great example of that. I got no idea which of those examples is representative of Jimmy, but neither does anyone else here.
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Marvin49":29awlujh said:
That tends to happen when NINEster starts spouting his usual round of bullshit. I assure you, the shit talk is directed at the troll. While I certainly think you have a heaping helping of homerism with a side of spin, you're not a troll, and you at least talk with legit knowledge to back it up. Others around here just like to light a metaphorical bag of shit on fire hoping to watch us try to stamp it out.
JGfromtheNW
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Marvin, no ill will, trash talking or anything of the sort headed your way. I actually really like GQ and was impressed with what he did early last year, but he's gotta stay healthy and prove what he can do over a season or two. I'm worried about what the next 9ers v. Seahawks game is going look like after you guys beat us with Mullens, as weird as that game was 
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ukeface:Maulbert":56yf2e4o said:
Real trolls are the ones who go to the Zone and just make remarks and walk away. Never get into it on an analytical level.
I make points that are rarely ever debated straight up on here. Instead a totally new argument is made while calling me a troll.
What do you do for a living Maulbert?
SoulfishHawk
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Shoot, it's obvious JG has talent. But to pay that kind of money and crown him the next great QB is just way too premature. If he actually wins a big game, that MEANS SOMETHING I'll gladly give him credit.
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NINEster":ucxotlfx said:
None of your business, troll.
Can't the same thing be said about your opinions of Jimmy? What makes your analysis any more accurate than ours?NINEster":a42ec1pq said:
I personally think Mullen's is a better QB, and if he is then he'd make you guys a tougher opponent because you'd have more cap space with Jimmy off the books. Why would we really want that scenario to be true? I hope Jimmy is a better QB because at least we're on an even playing field financially.
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NINEster":jijmw4h9 said:
So, I looked into this, and I'm assuming it came from this article:
https://www.lockedon49ers.com/sf-49...t-49ers-2017-points-per-drive-stat-breakdown/
So, I decided to compare a completely irrelevant set of numbers, just like you love to do.
In 2015, Seattle was 4-5, Marshawn Lynch was injured and on his way out, and everyone said we were dead in the water. What proceeded to happen, instead, was Russell Wilson put the team on his back and carried them into the playoffs. The Hawks went 6-1 down the stretch during which Seattle averaged 3.03 offensive points per drive, higher than your boy GQ in meaningless games in 2017. 3.03 was higher than the Panthers by almost half a point, who led the league.
By the way, Wilson's line during that run?
217 att. for 154 cmp., 1,906 yds., 24 TDs and only 1 Int., for a passer rating of 132.8.
A bit better than your boy's 178/120/1560/7/5/96.2.
Again, in meaningless games.
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knownone":1f9t2fa6 said:
This!!!
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NINEster":3oh2jwau said:
GQ it's, no issues with me. Come to think of it, why not set Mullens free so GQ didn't have to look behind his back all the time?
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NINEster":3i5w1l72 said:
First off, Jimmy doesn't have a large enough body of work to be comparing him to anyone. He's started just 8 games for you guys and hasn't come close to playing even half a season. He has yet to play the same team twice. His game log is so skimpy that defenses don't have enough information on him to game plan against him.
Secondly, although I'm the first one to admit that Wilson has his warts, he does a lot more than throw a good deep ball and make wild, off the record plays. He's been a starting QB ever since he entered the league 6 years ago, hasn't missed a game, has a ring and two conference championships, a career 3 to 1 TD/INT ratio, and a 64% completion percentage, all without any big time Julio Jones/Megatron type receivers. In 6 seasons, his teams have never had a losing record and missed the playoffs just once. There's not too many pundits that don't have Wilson ranked in the top 5 active QB's in the league.
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Three things:
(1) Agreed with Riverdog that JG hasn't played enough to really make a reasonable claim about where he's at in the imaginary pecking order. There's things that are pretty stable that we know he's good at, and there's areas where we still have a ton of question marks about where he might struggle, but adding all that together he could be anywhere from the best to one of the worst starting QBs in the league.
(2) Anyone trying to hype Mullens over him is delusional or just simply doesn't have any idea what they're talking about. Both of them have small sample sizes, but Mullens' ceiling is as a high-end backup/short-term bottom-end starter, and as long as he can make it through a season that's JG's floor. You don't need a large sample to make this evaluation. JG has a much quicker release, more arm talent, and moves better in the pocket. Mullens doesn't have the arm talent to throw reliably outside the numbers, nor the zip on his passes to fit balls into tighter windows. I'm glad he's on the team and I think he beats out Beathard for the backup job, but he is who he is.
(3) The discussion about JG's contract in 2019 is now much different than it was in 2018. The 9ers dumped all of his guaranteed money into last year, and also front loaded the hell out of the contract as much as they could (they tried to do even more, but apparently there's some rule in CBA that limits this).
So, JG got paid 37 million to be injured all last year, and that sucks, but it happened. They literally didn't have anyone else to give that money to (why they dumped it into year one for him) and I'm not Jed York so I'm completely indifferent to if they pad him what they did last year or paid him a regular APY for that year. Long story short, last year is a sunk cost. It's gone.
Where we stand now is that the 49ers essentially have four years of team options to pay JG a salary that equates to about an average starting QB (#14 in the NFL next year).
We still don't know if he is a better than average NFL QB, an average NFL QB, or a worse than average NFL QB, but the 9ers can cut him whenever they want with minimal to no cap ramifications, and have his rights for four years at an average NFL QB level.
(1) Agreed with Riverdog that JG hasn't played enough to really make a reasonable claim about where he's at in the imaginary pecking order. There's things that are pretty stable that we know he's good at, and there's areas where we still have a ton of question marks about where he might struggle, but adding all that together he could be anywhere from the best to one of the worst starting QBs in the league.
(2) Anyone trying to hype Mullens over him is delusional or just simply doesn't have any idea what they're talking about. Both of them have small sample sizes, but Mullens' ceiling is as a high-end backup/short-term bottom-end starter, and as long as he can make it through a season that's JG's floor. You don't need a large sample to make this evaluation. JG has a much quicker release, more arm talent, and moves better in the pocket. Mullens doesn't have the arm talent to throw reliably outside the numbers, nor the zip on his passes to fit balls into tighter windows. I'm glad he's on the team and I think he beats out Beathard for the backup job, but he is who he is.
(3) The discussion about JG's contract in 2019 is now much different than it was in 2018. The 9ers dumped all of his guaranteed money into last year, and also front loaded the hell out of the contract as much as they could (they tried to do even more, but apparently there's some rule in CBA that limits this).
So, JG got paid 37 million to be injured all last year, and that sucks, but it happened. They literally didn't have anyone else to give that money to (why they dumped it into year one for him) and I'm not Jed York so I'm completely indifferent to if they pad him what they did last year or paid him a regular APY for that year. Long story short, last year is a sunk cost. It's gone.
Where we stand now is that the 49ers essentially have four years of team options to pay JG a salary that equates to about an average starting QB (#14 in the NFL next year).
We still don't know if he is a better than average NFL QB, an average NFL QB, or a worse than average NFL QB, but the 9ers can cut him whenever they want with minimal to no cap ramifications, and have his rights for four years at an average NFL QB level.
