Seahawks 3 and 0ut since Russ became QB

[Shanegotyou11]

From @mookiealexander twitter


Seahawks' 3-and-outs/drive ranking in the Russell Wilson era. 1st = Good and 32nd = Bad. (per @fboutsiders)

2012: 5th
2013: 16th
2014: 7th
2015: 6th
2016: 5th

2017: 29th
2018: 30th
2019: 23rd
2020: 19th
2021: TBD

 

[K.J WRIGHT]

And he's still overrated. lol

 

[Northwest Seahawk]

Brock Huard did an analysis on 3rd down conversions last year the results were as expected not very good . 3rd down has been a problem for Russ for awhile now but no one talks about it. Wilson is great with the deep ball but the short passing game is not his strong suit.

 

[FattyKnuckle]

Brock Huard did an analysis on 3rd down conversions last year the results were as expected not very good . 3rd down has been a problem for Russ for awhile now but no one talks about it. Wilson is great with the deep ball but the short passing game is not his strong suit.

No one talks about it? It's usually a central point of discussion after a loss.

 

[ZagHawk]

From @mookiealexander twitter


Seahawks' 3-and-outs/drive ranking in the Russell Wilson era. 1st = Good and 32nd = Bad. (per @fboutsiders)

2012: 5th
2013: 16th
2014: 7th
2015: 6th
2016: 5th

2017: 29th
2018: 30th
2019: 23rd
2020: 19th
2021: TBD

You know I bet having and not having Marshawn Lynch also had an effect.

 

[Tusc2000]

From @mookiealexander twitter


Seahawks' 3-and-outs/drive ranking in the Russell Wilson era. 1st = Good and 32nd = Bad. (per @fboutsiders)

2012: 5th
2013: 16th
2014: 7th
2015: 6th
2016: 5th

2017: 29th
2018: 30th
2019: 23rd
2020: 19th
2021: TBD

And yet obviously, a lot of the QBs ranked ahead of him on this stat during the past 4 years did not make the playoffs.

 

[ZagHawk]

From @mookiealexander twitter


Seahawks' 3-and-outs/drive ranking in the Russell Wilson era. 1st = Good and 32nd = Bad. (per @fboutsiders)

2012: 5th
2013: 16th
2014: 7th
2015: 6th
2016: 5th

2017: 29th
2018: 30th
2019: 23rd
2020: 19th
2021: TBD

And yet obviously, a lot of the QBs ranked ahead of him on this stat during the past 4 years did not make the playoffs.

I bet a lot of the QBs who did better in the playoffs also were ahead on that list as well.

 

[HawkStrong]

Now do false starts and holding penalties on 3rd downs.

 

[nwHawk]

As the face of the franchise, and the leader of the offense he has to push his guys to the next level. Make all the excuses you want for him, he’s not on the level of Brady or Manning. He’s similar to Erin Rogers. Still a very good QB, and the best we’ve ever had.

But would the Defense be as worn out the past few years if the 3 and outs situation was different, I certainly think so.

 

[PNW]

As the face of the franchise, and the leader of the offense he has to push his guys to the next level. Make all the excuses you want for him, he’s not on the level of Brady or Manning. He’s similar to Erin Rogers. Still a very good QB, and the best we’ve ever had.

But would the Defense be as worn out the past few years if the 3 and outs situation was different, I certainly think so.

I swear Rodgers won a couple MVP’s though :2thumbs:

 

[pinksheets]

As the face of the franchise, and the leader of the offense he has to push his guys to the next level. Make all the excuses you want for him, he’s not on the level of Brady or Manning. He’s similar to Erin Rogers. Still a very good QB, and the best we’ve ever had.

But would the Defense be as worn out the past few years if the 3 and outs situation was different, I certainly think so.

I agree Rodgers is a tier below those two at this point. He's definitely a tier above Russ, though.

 

[Shanegotyou11]

From @mookiealexander twitter


Seahawks' 3-and-outs/drive ranking in the Russell Wilson era. 1st = Good and 32nd = Bad. (per @fboutsiders)

2012: 5th
2013: 16th
2014: 7th
2015: 6th
2016: 5th

2017: 29th
2018: 30th
2019: 23rd
2020: 19th
2021: TBD

You know I bet having and not having Marshawn Lynch also had an effect.

Read option helped.

 

[OrangeGravy]

From @mookiealexander twitter


Seahawks' 3-and-outs/drive ranking in the Russell Wilson era. 1st = Good and 32nd = Bad. (per @fboutsiders)

2012: 5th
2013: 16th
2014: 7th
2015: 6th
2016: 5th

2017: 29th
2018: 30th
2019: 23rd
2020: 19th
2021: TBD

You know I bet having and not having Marshawn Lynch also had an effect.

Read option helped.

The breakdown is basically running game (whether Russell or RB) vs no running game. 3rd down has been an issue from day 1 with Russ. It was acceptable with Marshawn. Hasn't been since.

 

[keasley45]

From @mookiealexander twitter


Seahawks' 3-and-outs/drive ranking in the Russell Wilson era. 1st = Good and 32nd = Bad. (per @fboutsiders)

2012: 5th
2013: 16th
2014: 7th
2015: 6th
2016: 5th

2017: 29th
2018: 30th
2019: 23rd
2020: 19th
2021: TBD

You know I bet having and not having Marshawn Lynch also had an effect.

No no no. Haven't you heard?? It's been since around 2017 that Pete has been forcing Russ to go ultra, Ultra, extra special conservative on his 3rd down passes so that we can punt the ball, flip the the field,, and let our defense win the game for us.

Pete HATES successful, short 3rd down pass conversions like the legion of boom hated qb's who weren't 'black' enough.

Converting a 3rd down means 4 more chances to throw a pick 6.

Can't have it.

 

[Scorpion05]

There is nothing about this entire thread that is fair minded, good hearted, reasonable arguments made in good faith so far. Lots of snark.

Blaming the offense’s 3rd down percentage on Russ, when he has been in a run first offense for most of that time makes little sense. I would love to hear the counter argument. If Carson is getting stuffed repeatedly on 3rd and 1, that is not on the QB.

Russ had a 60% completion rate on 3rd down last year. Brady was 61%, Rodgers was 63%.

Please, I’m actually begging some of you. Quit the snarky, petty, belittling comments about a QB we’re starting to treat like Tyrod Taylor. Try being fair, because it’s starting to seem like this isn’t about football.

Russell Wilson as a quarterback is not, on his own..terrible on 3rd down. The data is here:

https://www.footballdb.com/statistics/n ... -down/2020

Great thing about this by the way, is you can see how many 3rd and shorts, or 3rd and longs each QB faces. Which speaks to false starts, playcalling, etc.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Imagine that, another thread blaming Russ for everything. Shocker

 

[LTH]

Brock Huard did an analysis on 3rd down conversions last year the results were as expected not very good . 3rd down has been a problem for Russ for awhile now but no one talks about it. Wilson is great with the deep ball but the short passing game is not his strong suit.

I think he just wants to throw long. if he had a choice to throw long to Metcalf in double coverage or throw the short pass to move the chains it's a 50/50 shot what he is going to do and we saw that in the game against the Titans I saw him throw the long ball twice when he should have thrown short to move the chains. its the difference of being Brady like or being want to be Brady like... it's just immaturity IMO


LTH

 

[OrangeGravy]

Brock Huard did an analysis on 3rd down conversions last year the results were as expected not very good . 3rd down has been a problem for Russ for awhile now but no one talks about it. Wilson is great with the deep ball but the short passing game is not his strong suit.

I think he just wants to throw long. if he had a choice to throw long to Metcalf in double coverage or throw the short pass to move the chains it's a 50/50 shot what he is going to do and we saw that in the game against the Titans I saw him throw the long ball twice when he should have thrown short to move the chains. its the difference of being Brady like or being want to be Brady like... it's just immaturity IMO


LTH

I think 50/50 is generous. It feels like 90/10. There are only 2 reasons to forego moving the chains for the low % deeper shot.

- Russ truly believes that's the best way to win. Wing games and championships

-Russ is taking the numbers route

I'd prefer the first one. The second option is the best way to get to the HOF and be considered one of the greatest along with it. We'll win enough games doing that to be a good team, but no chance to win it all. It comes with the added benefit of removing any talking head criticism when the question "why hasn't/didn't Russell win another ring". Big stats at QB blind everyone of any critical analysis when viewing QB from the review mirror

 

[AubHawk71]

Ever since the current regime has taken over, the 3rd down on either side has been a nightmare. 3rd and long against the Hawks? Throw it up the middle for easy first down with Pete's soft 'don't get beat by the long ball' mentality. SEA on third down is basically if it works out fine, but not afraid to turn the ball over for Pete's sweet sweet defense. He'd rather turn it over on downs than risk at turnover...oh god. It never ends. The same Pete Ball forever. Hooray?

 

[John63]

Okay let's look at this whole short-throw thing. Below is every pass play in regulation. The ones that say short were short passes all this is from ESPN play-by-play.

I think you will find 25* short passes

• 2nd & 8 at SEA 27
(14:32 - 1st) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short left to D.Metcalf.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 30
(11:23 - 1st) R.Wilson pass deep left to T.Lockett to TEN 19 for 51 yards (B.McDougald).
• 3rd & 4 at TEN 13
(9:38 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to T.Lockett.
• 2nd & 10 at SEA 25
(2:16 - 1st) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to D.Metcalf to SEA 29 for 4 yards (H.Landry).
• 3rd & 6 at SEA 29
(1:30 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to F.Swain to SEA 38 for 9 yards (J.Jenkins; D.Cruikshank).
• 2nd & 8 at SEA 40
(0:10 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to D.Metcalf to SEA 44 for 4 yards (J.Jenkins).
• 3rd & 4 at SEA 44
(15:00 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to D.Metcalf (J.Jenkins).
• 2nd & 19 at 50
(13:58 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to F.Swain pushed ob at TEN 45 for 5 yards (H.Landry; D.Long). Penalty on SEA-D.Metcalf, Offensive Holding, declined.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 17
(8:09 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to D.Metcalf to SEA 33 for 16 yards (E.Molden; R.Evans).
• 2nd & 6 at SEA 37
(6:34 - 2nd) Tyler Lockett Pass From Russell Wilson for 63 Yrds J.Myers extra point is GOOD, Center-T.Ott, Holder-M.Dickson.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 25
(1:05 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Homer ran ob at SEA 36 for 11 yards (C.Jackson).
• 1st & 10 at SEA 36
(0:59 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Lockett ran ob at SEA 44 for 8 yards (J.Jenkins).
• 2nd & 2 at SEA 44
(0:56 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to F.Swain ran ob at TEN 44 for 12 yards (C.Jackson).
• (0:51 - 2nd) Timeout #1 by TEN at 00:51.
• 1st & 10 at TEN 44
(0:51 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to D.Metcalf ran ob at TEN 36 for 8 yards.
• 1st & 10 at TEN 11
(0:29 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short left to D.Metcalf.
• 2nd & 10 at TEN 11
(0:25 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to T.Lockett [O.Adeniyi]. PENALTY on TEN-C.Jackson, Defensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at TEN 11 - No Play.
• 2nd & 2 at SEA 19
(10:02 - 3rd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to T.Lockett to SEA 20 for 1 yard (C.Jackson).
• 1st & 10 at SEA 21
(8:59 - 3rd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to D.Metcalf to SEA 35 for 14 yards (J.Jenkins).
• 1st & 10 at SEA 35
(8:26 - 3rd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Lockett ran ob at SEA 45 for 10 yards.
• 2nd & 13 at SEA 42
(7:03 - 3rd) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Lockett pushed ob at TEN 47 for 11 yards (J.Jenkins).
• (6:22 - 3rd) Timeout #1 by SEA at 06:22.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 34
(15:00 - 4th) R.Wilson pass short left to C.Carson pushed ob at SEA 36 for 2 yards (K.Byard). PENALTY on SEA-D.Metcalf, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at SEA 34 - No Play. Penalty on SEA-D.Metcalf, Offensive Holding, declined.
• 1st & 20 at SEA 24
(14:31 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to F.Swain to SEA 25 for 1 yard (C.Jackson).
• 2nd & 19 at SEA 25
(13:55 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to T.Lockett to SEA 32 for 7 yards (D.Long).
• 3rd & 12 at SEA 32
(13:06 - 4th) Freddie Swain 68 Yd pass from Russell Wilson (Jason Myers PAT failed)
• 2nd & 5 at SEA 30
(11:47 - 4th) R.Wilson pass short left to G.Everett to SEA 33 for 3 yards (K.Byard, J.Jenkins).
• 3rd & 2 at SEA 33
(11:03 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete deep left to D.Metcalf (K.Fulton).
• 2nd & 8 at SEA 32
(5:12 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to T.Lockett.
• 3rd & 8 at SEA 32
(5:08 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to D.Metcalf to SEA 39 for 7 yards (H.Landry; K.Byard).
• 1st & 10 at SEA 28
(0:24 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to T.Homer to SEA 31 for 3 yards (K.Fulton).
• (0:17 - 4th) Timeout #2 by SEA at 00:17.
• 2nd & 7 at SEA 31
(0:17 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to G.Everett [B.Dupree]. SEA-B.Shell was injured during the play.
• (0:08 - 4th) Timeout #3 by SEA at 00:10. Required due to injury.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 43
(0:02 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to T.Lockett pushed ob at TEN 30 for 27 yards (C.Jackson).

wow look at all those short passes