The key to this seasons is the O line. Period!!!!!

[seabowl]

We will go as far as our O line will go this year. Today was a tale of 2 halves. The first half Wilson was under major pressure and the O couldn't stay on the field thus keeping the D on the field and getting tired. The second half was the opposite. Once we block and sustain drives our D stays rested and plays much much better and are able to stop the other teams offense.

The season is up to this O line and Cable to make this team go.

 

[Frohawk25360]

:th2thumbs:

We will go as far as our O line will go this year. Today was a tale of 2 halves. The first half Wilson was under major pressure and the O couldn't stay on the field thus keeping the D on the field and getting tired. The second half was the opposite. Once we block and sustain drives our D stays rested and plays much much better and are able to stop the other teams offense.

The season is up to this O line and Cable to make this team go.

 

[hawknation2014]

Our offensive line was even worse at this time last year. They were able to make up for it because they gave Lynch 20 carries a game and allowed Wilson to throw the ball downfield via play action passing. Lynch breaks tackles better than any back in the league. And Wilson eludes the pressure better than any QB. The question is why we are now out-thinking ourselves rather than playing to our strengths . . . The identity that won us a Super Bowl.

 

[Exittium]

False Start 12 Offensive Holding 10


Those scare me.. they are terrible, and those are our top two called penalties.
Okung FS 4 OH 3
Carp FS 0 OH 2
Unger FS 2 OH 0
Britt FS 2 OH 1
Swzeey FS 1 OH 1
Miller FS 1 OH 1
Harvin FS 1 OH 0
Schilling FS 1 OH 0
Bailey FS 0 OH 1
? Wright OH 1

Maybe they're like trying to be like Denver, or Dallas and they just suck a hiding it.. but there's work that needs to be done that it seems cable just isn't doing.
http://www.nflpenalties.com/team/seattle-seahawks?year=2014

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

We won a Super Bowl last year with Paul McQuistan and Michael Bowie playing at tackle for several weeks.

I wish we'd move on from this OL obsession (est2006).

 

[DavidSeven]

Pass pro was worse at this point last year. Didn't think it was a major issue today. Miscues and missed opps by the QB/skill players were bigger issues. Don't think we can keep blaming that unit every week.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

We won a Super Bowl last year with Paul McQuistan and Michael Bowie playing at tackle for several weeks.

I wish we'd move on from this OL obsession (est2006).

Your points are fair Rob, but on the other hand did you see how good the offense looked on that last drive when Russ had time? I get that you don't see it as important as other people do and have been saying so since 2006, but IMO there is some merit in the concerns about our o-line just as there's merit in your point too. If Russ is going to be what we all know he can be, it will need to be improved as his legs will slow down as he gets older. Is it the only thing that needs improving on this team? Of course not. But it does need to play better if only for the health of our so very good young QB.

 

[seabowl]

Anyone saying we were worse on the OLine last year forgets that we had the advantage on a ton more opposing turnovers to work with. We are down Breno, Jean Pierre and Unger from last year compared with just a less injured Okung this year. Last years line IMO was better.

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

We won a Super Bowl last year with Paul McQuistan and Michael Bowie playing at tackle for several weeks.

I wish we'd move on from this OL obsession (est2006).

Your points are fair Rob, but on the other hand did you see how good the offense looked on that last drive when Russ had time? I get that you don't see it as important as other people do and have been saying so since 2006, but IMO there is some merit in the concerns about our o-line just as there's merit in your point too. If Russ is going to be what we all know he can be, it will need to be improved as his legs will slow down as he gets older. Is it the only thing that needs improving on this team? Of course not. But it does need to play better if only for the health of our so very good young QB.

I would never argue we have an elite offensive line but the thread suggests our season is going to be won and lost on the OL. Our line was on it's arse last year with two players nowhere near fit to play tackle manning the edge in McQuistan and Bowie. And we still went 13-3 and ended up winning a Super Bowl.

The key to our season undoubtedly IMO is the defense building off today and continuing to rush the passer like this. Plus taking the chances presented (today was another huge day of missed opportunities). That is going to determine our fate. Because last year we played great D and turned the ball over. That is the one major difference so far between 2013 and 2014.

We've shown we don't need top end -- or even very good -- offensive line play to win a Championship. Wilson has never had a ton of time to throw -- he's also always going to encourage more pressure because it's nearly impossible to block for such a scrambling QB. Wilson scrambles a lot more IMO than even Newton and Kap. It's basically how our offense operates. And for that reason we'll always be hit and miss up front.

 

[hawknation2014]

Anyone saying we were worse on the OLine last year forgets that we had the advantage on a ton more opposing turnovers to work with. We are down Breno, Jean Pierre and Unger from last year compared with just a less injured Okung this year. Last years line IMO was better.

Breno wasn't playing at this time last year . . . Neither was Unger/Okung. Sweezy was playing worse last year. He looks much stronger and more technically sound now. Carpenter was playing like absolute crapola last year. The difference in his play has been night and day.

Okung>>>McQuistan
Britt>Bowie
'14 Sweezy>'13 Sweezy
'14 Carpenter>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>'13 Carpenter

The only position that is currently worse than a year ago is center. Thankfully, Unger is due back next week.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

We won a Super Bowl last year with Paul McQuistan and Michael Bowie playing at tackle for several weeks.

I wish we'd move on from this OL obsession (est2006).

Your points are fair Rob, but on the other hand did you see how good the offense looked on that last drive when Russ had time? I get that you don't see it as important as other people do and have been saying so since 2006, but IMO there is some merit in the concerns about our o-line just as there's merit in your point too. If Russ is going to be what we all know he can be, it will need to be improved as his legs will slow down as he gets older. Is it the only thing that needs improving on this team? Of course not. But it does need to play better if only for the health of our so very good young QB.

I would never argue we have an elite offensive line but the thread suggests our season is going to be won and lost on the OL. Our line was on it's arse last year with two players nowhere near fit to play tackle manning the edge in McQuistan and Bowie. And we still went 13-3 and ended up winning a Super Bowl.

The key to our season undoubtedly IMO is the defense building off today and continuing to rush the passer like this. Plus taking the chances presented (today was another huge day of missed opportunities). That is going to determine our fate. Because last year we played great D and turned the ball over. That is the one major difference so far between 2013 and 2014.

We've shown we don't need top end -- or even very good -- offensive line play to win a Championship. Wilson has never had a ton of time to throw -- he's also always going to encourage more pressure because it's nearly impossible to block for such a scrambling QB. Wilson scrambles a lot more IMO than even Newton and Kap. It's basically how our offense operates. And for that reason we'll always be hit and miss up front.

My point is that it's not sustainable as Russ' career moves forward because his legs won't stay 25 forever.
Agree that the defense building off today and taking advantage of opportunities is more important for this season.

 

[seabowl]

We won a Super Bowl last year with Paul McQuistan and Michael Bowie playing at tackle for several weeks.

I wish we'd move on from this OL obsession (est2006).

Your points are fair Rob, but on the other hand did you see how good the offense looked on that last drive when Russ had time? I get that you don't see it as important as other people do and have been saying so since 2006, but IMO there is some merit in the concerns about our o-line just as there's merit in your point too. If Russ is going to be what we all know he can be, it will need to be improved as his legs will slow down as he gets older. Is it the only thing that needs improving on this team? Of course not. But it does need to play better if only for the health of our so very good young QB.

I would never argue we have an elite offensive line but the thread suggests our season is going to be won and lost on the OL. Our line was on it's arse last year with two players nowhere near fit to play tackle manning the edge in McQuistan and Bowie. And we still went 13-3 and ended up winning a Super Bowl.

The key to our season undoubtedly IMO is the defense building off today and continuing to rush the passer like this. Plus taking the chances presented (today was another huge day of missed opportunities). That is going to determine our fate. Because last year we played great D and turned the ball over. That is the one major difference so far between 2013 and 2014.

We've shown we don't need top end -- or even very good -- offensive line play to win a Championship. Wilson has never had a ton of time to throw -- he's also always going to encourage more pressure because it's nearly impossible to block for such a scrambling QB. Wilson scrambles a lot more IMO than even Newton and Kap. It's basically how our offense operates. And for that reason we'll always be hit and miss up front.

My point is that it's not sustainable as Russ' career moves forward because his legs won't stay 25 forever.
Agree that the defense building off today and taking advantage of opportunities is more important for this season.

Is it possible that the D played better because our offense sustained drives longer than 3 and out in the 2nd half?

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Is it possible that the D played better because our offense sustained drives longer than 3 and out in the 2nd half?

Absolutely. Been saying for a while now that TOP is big for this defense because they're undersized.

 

[rcaido]

O-line was garbage last year...

The key to our success is that we need to start forcing turnovers. It just seems like the ball doesn't bounce our way or it just barely getting a takeaway. Lots of bad luck.or just unlucky. Also stupid penalties needs to stop, inside i know it frustrates the other players & adds more pressure to an already pressured SB team.

Hopefully a string of wins can get our focus & confidence back. Then our main guys from injury coming back. We just got to weather the storm right now.

 

[SalishHawkFan]

So because our oline played like it had two bullet holes to the head and a shotgun blast to the gut this time last year, we shouldn't be concerned that they're playing like they have one bullet hole to the head and a shotgun blast to the gut this year?

Really weak arguments there guys.

This oline is what's holding this team back. Period. The other problems are working themselves out, but this is and always has been the #1 problem with our team and it's no where near fixed yet, with no improvement in sight.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Wilson's go-ahead TD had nothing to do with pass protection. It was designed that way. Three-step drop out of shotgun...snap, plant, throw. O-line involvement is minimal on such quick-timing plays, by design, because pass rush barely has time to arrive before the throw. But of course announcers constantly miss such nuances and just go on perpetuating the overimportance of the offensive line. It's a longstanding trend and one of the more faulty cliches in the typical broadcaster's arsenal.

And again, for the millionth time, I challenge you guys to go through the games with Game Rewind and note how often Wilson runs WITHOUT any pressure whatsoever. It happens a lot more than you think, and most people don't notice because they're conditioned to equate scrambling QBs with bad pass protection. It's a simplistic connection and it ignores so much.

 

[pehawk]

Wilson's go-ahead TD had nothing to do with pass protection. It was designed that way. Three-step drop out of shotgun...snap, plant, throw. O-line involvement is minimal on such quick-timing plays, by design, because pass rush barely has time to arrive before the throw. But of course announcers constantly miss such nuances and perpetuate the overimportance of the offensive line.

And again, for the millionth time, I suggest you go through the games with Game Rewind and note how often Wilson runs WITHOUT any pressure whatsoever. It happens a lot more than you think, and most people don't notice because they're conditioned to equate scrambling QBs with bad pass protection. It's a simplistic connection and it's faulty.

+1

But then they'd be forced to criticize Wilson. Not okay.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Wilson's go-ahead TD had nothing to do with pass protection. It was designed that way. Three-step drop out of shotgun...snap, plant, throw. O-line involvement is minimal on such quick-timing plays, by design, because pass rush barely has time to arrive before the throw. But of course announcers constantly miss such nuances and perpetuate the overimportance of the offensive line.

And again, for the millionth time, I suggest you go through the games with Game Rewind and note how often Wilson runs WITHOUT any pressure whatsoever. It happens a lot more than you think, and most people don't notice because they're conditioned to equate scrambling QBs with bad pass protection. It's a simplistic connection and it's faulty.

+1

But then they'd be forced to criticize Wilson. Not okay.

The fault is all over the place. Sometimes Wilson takes off too soon or throws poorly. Sometimes nobody's open downfield. And when those two conditions aren't present, the pass protection really does break down. And no fan or announcer would ever know when Wilson merely failed to shift protection properly pre-snap, or when a TE/RB missed an assignment.

Basically, the entire offense is just out of sync. And that's not something anyone wants to hear, because you can't fix it with two O-linemen from the draft.

 

[seabowl]

Wilson's go-ahead TD had nothing to do with pass protection. It was designed that way. Three-step drop out of shotgun...snap, plant, throw. O-line involvement is minimal on such quick-timing plays, by design, because pass rush barely has time to arrive before the throw. But of course announcers constantly miss such nuances and just go on perpetuating the overimportance of the offensive line. It's a longstanding trend and one of the more faulty cliches in the typical broadcaster's arsenal.

And again, for the millionth time, I challenge you guys to go through the games with Game Rewind and note how often Wilson runs WITHOUT any pressure whatsoever. It happens a lot more than you think, and most people don't notice because they're conditioned to equate scrambling QBs with bad pass protection. It's a simplistic connection and it ignores so much.

Carolina D was gassed by the end of the game due to our Having the ball a long time in the second half.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Wilson's go-ahead TD had nothing to do with pass protection. It was designed that way. Three-step drop out of shotgun...snap, plant, throw. O-line involvement is minimal on such quick-timing plays, by design, because pass rush barely has time to arrive before the throw. But of course announcers constantly miss such nuances and just go on perpetuating the overimportance of the offensive line. It's a longstanding trend and one of the more faulty cliches in the typical broadcaster's arsenal.

And again, for the millionth time, I challenge you guys to go through the games with Game Rewind and note how often Wilson runs WITHOUT any pressure whatsoever. It happens a lot more than you think, and most people don't notice because they're conditioned to equate scrambling QBs with bad pass protection. It's a simplistic connection and it ignores so much.

Carolina D was gassed by the end of the game due to our Having the ball a long time in the second half.

I know that. What's your point?