What Effect Will the Thin Air Have?

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I didn't play football there but did a physical job when it was warm, it takes a lot out of you, your muscles are not acclimated to working on lower oxygen level, you tire more quickly, now take into effect these guys have not played a full game this year and will play longer then they have all pre season and we will be going deep into the bench to rotate people.
 

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Milehighhawk":2mxehqvj said:
pmedic920":2mxehqvj said:
Anyone that says mid 80s in Denver won’t be a factor is Coo Coo for Coco Puffs.

How much of a factor is yet to be seen.

Y’all up in Seattle, like myself here in the Houston area, walk around daily @ or near sea level.

When was the last time you went up to Mt. Rainer National Park?
How much walking/hiking did you do?

The oxygen demand for high level athletics is much higher than us “average Joes” require.

I make Colorado/Denver area every couple of years. Been to the top of Rocky Mt. National park.

It’s done “tongue in cheek” but they sell T-shits that say “Got Oxygen”.

It will effect some of our guys more than others depending on the individual but there will be an effect.
Will it effect the outcome of the game?

Maybe, Maybe not.
Time will tell.

I’d be willing to bet, we’ll see some guys slightly bent over with their hands on there hips. More so than we would see in Seattle or Houston.

I am confused. Stating that 83 degrees in Denver isn’t a big deal has nothing to do with altitude. Your giant rant is completely disconnected from your opening sentence. Fact remains low humidity largely negates heat issues in the low 80’s especially with the giant misters that are used. The body can cool very quick even with just a little shade.

The altitude is a given. It’s constant and does not change.

Didn’t feel I needed to explain that part in “my rant”.

Mid 80s although not hot for folks wearing street clothes and not playing a professional sport, it is fairly warm for an NFL game.

My point being, the temperature combined with the altitude will have an effect on the players, and it’s my opinion, anybody that thinks otherwise has bats in their belfry.

It’s also my opinion that we don’t know how much effect there will be but it’s safe to say, the effect will be greater on the Seahawks.

Greater on the Seahawks because they are not acclimated to the level that the guys that have been in Denver for weeks/months.
Altitude after all, is something that our bodies become used too, given enough time.

I’d agree that lower humidity may lessen the effect from the heat but I doubt it will be by much.

And for the record, I’m not saying that the Hawks will not win due to heat and altitude.
I’m saying that they will feel it, it will have an effect.
My hope is that it doesn’t catch the off guard because there are some steps that can be taken to lessen the effects. Good hydration being one of the most important and easiest ones.

Hopefully this clarified my thoughts on the matter, and you now have a better understanding of what I was trying to convey.

Bottom line for me here.

Anyone that lives or spends most of their time @ or near sea level, and suddenly finds themselves exerting @ altitude will tell you, there is a substantial difference.
 

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danp1990":3lhi9cdi said:
Jerhawk":3lhi9cdi said:
Whens the last time the Seahawks have won in Denver?
Our guys would always struggle going up there to face Elway back in the day... every year it felt like a pounding.

They struggle in Denver almost as bad as in Green Bay it feels like.

Last time i remember , for regular season was.... Nov or Dec of 2006 . won by a Josh Brown field goal :D

https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/seattle-seahawks/teamvsteam?opp=10

You have an excellent memory, you're exactly right, 2006. Last win before then was in 1995.
 

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pmedic920":1ubaetj6 said:
Milehighhawk":1ubaetj6 said:
pmedic920":1ubaetj6 said:
Anyone that says mid 80s in Denver won’t be a factor is Coo Coo for Coco Puffs.

How much of a factor is yet to be seen.

Y’all up in Seattle, like myself here in the Houston area, walk around daily @ or near sea level.

When was the last time you went up to Mt. Rainer National Park?
How much walking/hiking did you do?

The oxygen demand for high level athletics is much higher than us “average Joes” require.

I make Colorado/Denver area every couple of years. Been to the top of Rocky Mt. National park.

It’s done “tongue in cheek” but they sell T-shits that say “Got Oxygen”.

It will effect some of our guys more than others depending on the individual but there will be an effect.
Will it effect the outcome of the game?

Maybe, Maybe not.
Time will tell.

I’d be willing to bet, we’ll see some guys slightly bent over with their hands on there hips. More so than we would see in Seattle or Houston.

I am confused. Stating that 83 degrees in Denver isn’t a big deal has nothing to do with altitude. Your giant rant is completely disconnected from your opening sentence. Fact remains low humidity largely negates heat issues in the low 80’s especially with the giant misters that are used. The body can cool very quick even with just a little shade.

The altitude is a given. It’s constant and does not change.

Didn’t feel I needed to explain that part in “my rant”.

Mid 80s although not hot for folks wearing street clothes and not playing a professional sport, it is fairly warm for an NFL game.

My point being, the temperature combined with the altitude will have an effect on the players, and it’s my opinion, anybody that thinks otherwise has bats in their belfry.

It’s also my opinion that we don’t know how much effect there will be but it’s safe to say, the effect will be greater on the Seahawks.

Greater on the Seahawks because they are not acclimated to the level that the guys that have been in Denver for weeks/months.
Altitude after all, is something that our bodies become used too, given enough time.

I’d agree that lower humidity may lessen the effect from the heat but I doubt it will be by much.

And for the record, I’m not saying that the Hawks will not win due to heat and altitude.
I’m saying that they will feel it, it will have an effect.
My hope is that it doesn’t catch the off guard because there are some steps that can be taken to lessen the effects. Good hydration being one of the most important and easiest ones.

Hopefully this clarified my thoughts on the matter, and you now have a better understanding of what I was trying to convey.

Bottom line for me here.

Anyone that lives or spends most of their time @ or near sea level, and suddenly finds themselves exerting @ altitude will tell you, there is a substantial difference.


I absolutely agree on the altitude advantage. Very noticeable when I first moved here after living at sea level my whole life. Any heat issues will affect both sides equally.


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Jerhawk":3w0jhgvw said:
danp1990":3w0jhgvw said:
Jerhawk":3w0jhgvw said:
Whens the last time the Seahawks have won in Denver?
Our guys would always struggle going up there to face Elway back in the day... every year it felt like a pounding.

They struggle in Denver almost as bad as in Green Bay it feels like.

Last time i remember , for regular season was.... Nov or Dec of 2006 . won by a Josh Brown field goal :D

https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/seattle-seahawks/teamvsteam?opp=10

You have an excellent memory, you're exactly right, 2006. Last win before then was in 1995.

Yea, if anything hawk related post 2002 my Seahawks baptism I try and remember. It's funny to realize that Brandon Marshall actually was part of that Denver Loss. I think it was his rookie year. Man is ancient football wise.
 

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None! It will only impact the Donks. 19-0 starts this Sunday!!!!


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Why isn’t Seattle in Denver already?

Acclimating is the key to beating high altitude
 

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We're in AZ and go up to a cabin four or five times a year at 7,000 feet. I huff and puff the first day going up all the stairs but after a day or two it's no big deal. Hopefully they left early.
 

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I think the Cougs were chugging beet juice to prepare for their game at Wyoming (7200+ feet). Seemed to work.
 

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mikeak":1rde4lc1 said:
Why isn’t Seattle in Denver already?

Acclimating is the key to beating high altitude

It takes a month or so if your in better condition a few weeks to feel close to acclimated.
 

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chris98251":3up0tmbs said:
mikeak":3up0tmbs said:
Why isn’t Seattle in Denver already?

Acclimating is the key to beating high altitude

It takes a month or so if your in better condition a few weeks to feel close to acclimated.

I backpack extensively and train/workout mostly at sea level. 5k feet isn't that high, and good conditioning will usually equalize the "altitude advantage." Now, above 10k feet is when things get interesting!
 

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chris98251":37v4h2x0 said:
mikeak":37v4h2x0 said:
Why isn’t Seattle in Denver already?

Acclimating is the key to beating high altitude

It takes a month or so if your in better condition a few weeks to feel close to acclimated.

Sure to be equal to hose living there

A few days does make a difference. There is no doubt about that
 

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Sox-n-Hawks":2t313orl said:
chris98251":2t313orl said:
mikeak":2t313orl said:
Why isn’t Seattle in Denver already?

Acclimating is the key to beating high altitude

It takes a month or so if your in better condition a few weeks to feel close to acclimated.

I backpack extensively and train/workout mostly at sea level. 5k feet isn't that high, and good conditioning will usually equalize the "altitude advantage." Now, above 10k feet is when things get interesting!


Yes and no. Denver is always training at higher altitude so they have an advantage that will not get equalized. In fact their higher altitude training puts them even further ahead due to developing higher red blood cell counts and hemoglobin.

Yes true high altitude training is at higher levels but there is stilll a benefit that can’t be made up.
 

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It usually takes 2-6 weeks to acclimate to high altitude condition. That said, the dry, thin air will cause everyone to dehydrate rapidly so you have to drink lots of fluids. Common symptoms is a skull crushing headache, dizziness, etc.

I recall a reporter asked a player how it felt playing in Denver. He said its like plugging your nose and breathing thru a straw. Very hard to catch your breath.

I did conditioning drills at Lake Tahoe with a group and it didn't affect me much at all. However, one person struggled and he was in very good shape.

Elevation:
Lake Tahoe-6,200 Feet
Denver-5,280 Feet

The altitude thing is real, but it affects people differently.
 

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mistaowen":23qwq16g said:
Lol. Ah yes, the old “affect” vs. “effect” confusion. I just use “impact” to avoid all that BS.


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The gravity is less there too since it's farther from the center of the earth. Players and footballs will be bouncing around like Son of Flubber.
 
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