What has Rawls done to deserve the starting spot?

[ivotuk]

Are you saying that Carson's play in preseason earned him a starting position on an NFL roster?

Who was that DE that Mora had playing that lit up the preseason? How did his career work out?

 

[Seymour]

Here's a Christian Michael highlight video, maybe we should resign him.

I assume you did not compare the difference between the 2 videos posted. If you had, you would not have bothered.

 

[Basis4day]

Many fan's seem to have a misconception that until the regular season starts, performance in preseason games is the most influential determinate on the depth chart and roster.

That really isn't the case. We don't have any access to the closes practices or the film room. Rawls has the benefit of performance in real games and a couple seasons in the system.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Are you saying that Carson's play in preseason earned him a starting position on an NFL roster?

Who was that DE that Mora had playing that lit up the preseason? How did his career work out?

Nick Reed. That takes me back.

I want to see Carson play, too, but after watching both Okung and Unger walk away from this team and stay healthy, I'm up for giving Rawls and Prosise more chances.

 

[hawk45]

Are you saying that Carson's play in preseason earned him a starting position on an NFL roster?

Who was that DE that Mora had playing that lit up the preseason? How did his career work out?

Nick Reed. That takes me back.

I want to see Carson play, too, but after watching both Okung and Unger walk away from this team and stay healthy, I'm up for giving Rawls and Prosise more chances.

And the beauty part is, unlike at LT and C, it is possible to build strong depth at the tailback position and to throw the next man up out there without losing a beat.

 

[Seymour]

I think the Carson hype has finally gone officially nuts. Callin' it now. I hope he lives up to it.

For me it has. But I've been a Hawks fan for 40 years, I know "it" when I see it.

I saw it in Russell, Clark, and many others when I first laid eyes on them. They jump off the screen in pre-season, and I saw that with Carson.

Rawls has some of that same pop and explosiveness, but dude can't stay out of the trainer's room.

It's a good problem to have, but if I'm in charge, Rawls hasn't been available and dependable enough for going on an entire year, so IMO I have no problem whatsover in starting Carson.

I'm not sure I understand the argument that not being available and dependable is a reason not to start a player. It's a reason to have a good plan B, which we do, but if Rawls gets hurt he gets hurt. No harm done.

The argument I have an easier time with is vin's argument about Rawls rust last year leading to poor game performance. The rust argument isn't a slam-dunk for me, at the RB position in particular, but if it had an effect last year then I can't just wave that history off.

You will not understand it, because it makes no sense.

Player A is the better player but goes to the bench because Player B may or may not get hurt and there is less risk of it. So take the better (more proven) player and sit him because he might get hurt again....which by the way is the same equivalent end result to getting hurt to the team since he is not getting used now anyway. :2thumbs:

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I think the Carson hype has finally gone officially nuts. Callin' it now. I hope he lives up to it.

For me it has. But I've been a Hawks fan for 40 years, I know "it" when I see it.

I saw it in Russell, Clark, and many others when I first laid eyes on them. They jump off the screen in pre-season, and I saw that with Carson.

Rawls has some of that same pop and explosiveness, but dude can't stay out of the trainer's room.

It's a good problem to have, but if I'm in charge, Rawls hasn't been available and dependable enough for going on an entire year, so IMO I have no problem whatsover in starting Carson.

I'm not sure I understand the argument that not being available and dependable is a reason not to start a player. It's a reason to have a good plan B, which we do, but if Rawls gets hurt he gets hurt. No harm done.

The argument I have an easier time with is vin's argument about Rawls rust last year leading to poor game performance. The rust argument isn't a slam-dunk for me, at the RB position in particular, but if it had an effect last year then I can't just wave that history off.

It's both for me. You should take everything into account when assessing players. In Rawl's case, if he was perfectly healthy and looked good during camp and pre-season?

Heck yeah, start the guy. But not only did he not look good last year (except one playoff game), all he's done this camp is get hurt the first game he touched the ball and missed a month.

So sorry, I'd much rather start a RB that's been carrying the ball, looked good and has no rust or injuries to knock off in a VERY important game on the road.

 

[hawk45]

I think the Carson hype has finally gone officially nuts. Callin' it now. I hope he lives up to it.

For me it has. But I've been a Hawks fan for 40 years, I know "it" when I see it.

I saw it in Russell, Clark, and many others when I first laid eyes on them. They jump off the screen in pre-season, and I saw that with Carson.

Rawls has some of that same pop and explosiveness, but dude can't stay out of the trainer's room.

It's a good problem to have, but if I'm in charge, Rawls hasn't been available and dependable enough for going on an entire year, so IMO I have no problem whatsover in starting Carson.

I'm not sure I understand the argument that not being available and dependable is a reason not to start a player. It's a reason to have a good plan B, which we do, but if Rawls gets hurt he gets hurt. No harm done.

The argument I have an easier time with is vin's argument about Rawls rust last year leading to poor game performance. The rust argument isn't a slam-dunk for me, at the RB position in particular, but if it had an effect last year then I can't just wave that history off.

It's both for me. You should take everything into account when assessing players. In Rawl's case, if he was perfectly healthy and looked good during camp and pre-season?

Heck yeah, start the guy. But not only did he not look good last year (except one playoff game), all he's done this camp is get hurt the first game he touched the ball and missed a month.

So sorry, I'd much rather start a RB that's been carrying the ball, looked good and has no rust or injuries to knock off in a VERY important game on the road.

Ah, okay. I didn't understand the green-fonted sentence because it seemed to be divorced from performance concerns.

Sounds like you would rephrase that sentence as: "We have reason to suspect Rawls won't be the better performer Sunday because he may not be 100% recovered from injury and he also has to deal with the rust coming from lack of practice/playing."

 

[Followthelegion]

Carson hype train is officially insane.

I'm sorry, he has looked like a good punishing back in pre season but talk of him being the starter ahead of Rawls is ..... well just baffling.

Rawls has been wrapped up in cotton wool, fresh and ready to go. Guy looked like the 2015 against the Panthers and the Lions last year, this is the truck I want getting the most carries. Run them over Thomas...if you get injured at somepoint then we have good depth backing you up.

He won't have to be the workhorse this year, with Lacy getting the short yardage and spelling him on 1st/2nd down, with Procise 3rd down specialist.

Keep him fresh will hopefully avoid him missing much time with injury problems.

 

[chris98251]

Yeah we should have kept Flynn as the starter and not given Wilson a chance, after all Wilson only looked good in Pre Season .

 

[Sgt. Largent]

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Sounds like you would rephrase that sentence as: "We have reason to suspect Rawls won't be the better performer Sunday because he may not be 100% recovered from injury and he also has to deal with the rust coming from lack of practice/playing."

Bingo.

And re-reading my posts here makes it sounds like I'm a Rawls hater. I'm not, I love the way he runs, I love his story. I hope he proves me wrong.

But which RB has the best chance at success two days from now in a VERY important game? The one who lit it up all month catching blocking and running well, or the one who hasn't played in a month with a high ankle sprain?

Hard to tell me it's not Carson.

 

[chris98251]

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Sounds like you would rephrase that sentence as: "We have reason to suspect Rawls won't be the better performer Sunday because he may not be 100% recovered from injury and he also has to deal with the rust coming from lack of practice/playing."

Bingo.

And re-reading my posts here makes it sounds like I'm a Rawls hater. I'm not, I love the way he runs, I love his story. I hope he proves me wrong.

But which RB has the best chance at success two days from now in a VERY important game? The one who lit it up all month catching blocking and running well, or the one who hasn't played in a month with a high ankle sprain?

Hard to tell me it's not Carson.

I think once Carson gets on the field the staff is going to have a hard time getting him back off, he does everything well, has a lot of Ricky Watters qualities but without the volatile temperament.

 

[Seymour]

What I find most ironic in this discussion.... Nobody here even knows who the starter is at this point. :drool:

Depth chart (can't really rely on that though) lists: Rawls, Lacy, Prosise, Carson....in that order.

Trust me...I like Carson and want to see him too, but you don't give up on Rawls yet. This season needs to be used to determine what to do next year with him.

 

[Wartooth]

I think they want to see what Rawls is going to do.
He and Lacy are both suspect, neither did much to impress in the preseason.
My feeling is that if they both aren't injured in the opening game, one of them will be traded down the road.
Pete's high on Carson, I don't think it will be long before he's the guy.
My personal opinion is Carson is kind of AP like...
Without the dropped passes and fumbles.

 

[hawk45]

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Sounds like you would rephrase that sentence as: "We have reason to suspect Rawls won't be the better performer Sunday because he may not be 100% recovered from injury and he also has to deal with the rust coming from lack of practice/playing."

Bingo.

And re-reading my posts here makes it sounds like I'm a Rawls hater. I'm not, I love the way he runs, I love his story. I hope he proves me wrong.

But which RB has the best chance at success two days from now in a VERY important game? The one who lit it up all month catching blocking and running well, or the one who hasn't played in a month with a high ankle sprain?

Hard to tell me it's not Carson.

Doesn't sound hatey at all IMO. If anything it sounds like it's more being high on Carson and concerned about lingering effects of injury.

If I had to present the opposing viewpoint, I'd write a question similar to yours as follows:

Which RB has the best chance of success two days from now in a VERY important game? The one who has shown the ability to dominate and take over games multiple times or the one who flashed some exciting potential in pre-season?

In your formulation you omit the regular-vs-pre-season consideration, in my formulation I omit the recently-injured consideration. It's just down to which risk factors (unproven vs unpracticed) end up weighing most heavily. Sometimes you get a Percy Harvin who can change a game if you catch him in the 30 minutes a year he isn't injured. Early last year argues against Rawls being that type of player but the injury is different and one hopes what they're seeing in practice is as well.

I could just as easily make a case for Carson, using some of my same points. For instance, if it's so easy to swap out RBs, what harm putting a healthy Carson out there esp if Lacy is going to get the bulk of the carries? Why not give Rawls more chance to recover? If Carson is obviously out of his depth, easy enough to switch gears and use Rawls.

It's the high stakes that make it so interesting and weigh heavily against the "what harm could it do" position. This game could well be a pivotal one for playoff calculations, against a playoff contender, in their house with their huge HFA.

Now watch none of this matter because Lacy gets the bulk of the carries and looks like El Sluggo out there.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

What I find most ironic in this discussion.... Nobody here even knows who the starter is at this point. :drool:

Depth chart (can't really rely on that though) lists: Rawls, Lacy, Prosise, Carson....in that order.

Trust me...I like Carson and want to see him too, but you don't give up on Rawls yet. This season needs to be used to determine what to do next year with him.

I think the depth chart has it right as far as what we're going to see.

RBBC with Rawls and Lacy, then Prosise mixed in on long yardage and 3rd down.

Doubt we'll even see Carson unless someone gets dinged up.

 

[Rat]

My personal opinion is Carson is kind of AP like...
Without the dropped passes and fumbles.

At least we know the hype isn't getting out of control.

 

[hawk45]

I think they want to see what Rawls is going to do.
He and Lacy are both suspect, neither did much to impress in the preseason.
My feeling is that if they both aren't injured in the opening game, one of them will be traded down the road.
Pete's high on Carson, I don't think it will be long before he's the guy.
My personal opinion is Carson is kind of AP like...
Without the dropped passes and fumbles.

Boy I'd be disappointed if they were using the road game vs Green Bay to evaluate whether or not they might want to trade a player down the road. I would hope that to the best of their ability to evaluate, they are convinced Rawls/Lacy give them the best chance to win Sunday.

 

[Seymour]

I think they want to see what Rawls is going to do.
He and Lacy are both suspect, neither did much to impress in the preseason.
My feeling is that if they both aren't injured in the opening game, one of them will be traded down the road.
Pete's high on Carson, I don't think it will be long before he's the guy.
My personal opinion is Carson is kind of AP like...
Without the dropped passes and fumbles.

Huh?? You don't trade a decent RB in the last year of contract when you hope to go deep into playoffs. Too low of value and you prob. will need them sooner or later.

And both get hurt in game 1 is kindof a sad outlook BTW.

 

[hawk45]

My personal opinion is Carson is kind of AP like...
Without the dropped passes and fumbles.

At least we know the hype isn't getting out of control.

:shock:

Yeah, heavy caveats are called for when name-dropping HOF running back comparisons.