Who is doing our drafting in the last 2 years?

[KinesProf]

Unless we get lucky in the 3rd round and draft a HOF QB, i dont see how our future would get any better then the Wilson era.
2011 RB >current
2011 Defense > current

This team has a better WR core but how much longer can Lockett last? How many years until we get the QB of the future? 2 years from now Metcalf contract is up.
Geno is doing more then expected but he is only good for 1 more season.

There is no QB worth paying next season, the only one is Cousins but he will be asking 50+million. Then in 2025, its Prescot, Tua, & Goff.

We would need to suck one year, so we can have a high draft QB. This would be the year to do it, but tanking is never good.

Sure, but, even if the Super Bowl winning iteration of the Seahawks isn't attainable, they are in such a better spot now and going forward than they were when they traded Russ. They're building it up again the right way - young, talented and homegrown.

You don't just start sending good players packing because you don't think you can win with your current QB. Chris Godwin, Mike Evans, Vita Vea, Jason Pierre-Paul, Ryan Jensen, Carlton Davis, and Lavonte David did a lot of losing in Tampa.

And no, you don't need to bottom out and get rid of your good players to build towards something. The Chiefs went 11-5, 9-7, 11-5, and 12-4 with their bridge QB, falling short of winning anything of significance, in the 4 seasons prior to identifying and drafting their QB of the future. But prior to landing the QB they were putting together a robust roster of contributors : Kelce, Hill, Fisher, Schwartz, Jones.

See Bryce Young/Panthers in regards to placing a highly drafted QB in a losing culture with a barren roster.

DK Metcalf is 25 years old and one of only 5 players in the history of the league to have at least 50 catches, 900 yards, and 5 TDs in each of their first four seasons. Literal historic start to his career. You want your next QB to have support whenever he arrives. Look at the Jags, they've had to scramble to overpay the likes of Christian Kirk and Evan Engram because they didn't have much ready in-house for Trevor Lawrence.

 

[rcaido]

From the lips of John Schneider -

"Some of the background information we had on players from a confidence standpoint or a swagger standpoint weren't necessarily able to compete with the Richard Shermans and the Kam Chancellors and the Bobby Wagners and the K.J.s [Wright]. Earl Thomas, you know what I mean?" Schneider said. "We knew we had to do a little better job in that regard [like] in 2010, '11, '12, picking players and building this thing."

I dont know how much clearer it gets than the GM saying they didn't get draft guys of the profile of the original, confident, full of swag players for the period between when the OGs left and 2021.

Im not sure how you got that from avoiding drafting players that can "challenge russ" None of the those players challenge russ, only Sherman.

 

[keasley45]

Im not sure how you got that from avoiding drafting players that can "challenge russ" None of the those players challenge russ, only Sherman.

ok.

 

[Jville]

From the lips of John Schneider -

"Some of the background information we had on players from a confidence standpoint or a swagger standpoint weren't necessarily able to compete with the Richard Shermans and the Kam Chancellors and the Bobby Wagners and the K.J.s [Wright]. Earl Thomas, you know what I mean?" Schneider said. "We knew we had to do a little better job in that regard [like] in 2010, '11, '12, picking players and building this thing."

I dont know how much clearer it gets than the GM saying they didn't get draft guys of the profile of the original, confident, full of swag players for the period between when the OGs left and 2021.

Yes ..... and so much more over the years. it should be recognized that John Schneider has covered a lot about draft hits and misses over the years including the covid 19 interruption. Very open about lessons learned. The make up of each draft class is unique unto itself. It's all there in the archived media interviews that have accumulated over the years.

Here is a link to a recent example back in March of this year >>>

'I Beat Myself Up!' Seahawks GM John Schneider Reflects on Draft Lessons Learned >>>​

Link >>> https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/news/seattle-seahawks-john-schneider-reflects-lessons-learned-draft-scouting-combine​

 

[Recon_Hawk]

Take out the 1st round picks and the last 2 drafts are still considerably better by a lot.

JS interviewed with the Lions, he was on his way out. It is my educated belief JS was given final say on draft picks, Pete is still giving input, but JS is running it. If not for this, he would've left.

Chalking it up to a couple of high picks is absolutely laughable, especially when one of those picks is incredibly average.

No. The power shifted to JS. That is the #1 reason. Also, hard lessons were learned from their previous draft failings.

I think John has been running the draft longer than you think.

Take this interview with JS on the Rich Eison show about the 2019 draft and drafting DK Metcalf (1:00 min mark). John seems to claim the decision to trade up for DK was all his doing and Pete didn't even know they were trading up until Seattle already owned the pick. So sounds John has had controll of the draft since at least then.

 

[CactusJack]

Did the front office hired a new guru? Schneider had more power? Pure luck?

What changed? It's fairly simple. They stopped reaching on players.

Along with overhauling how they seek out answers on the character of prospects during a draft cycle, Schneider individually has pledged not to force the issue to fill a position of need. Back in 2019, after a bunch of pass rushers came flying off the board in quick succession in the first round, Seattle may have panicked picking Collier with the 29th overall pick simply because of the position he played.

"We're not going to push people. We're not going to - that's one of the things we've done in the past I was addressing earlier - we're not going to push guys into a spot just because of a specific need.

 

[toffee]

What changed? It's fairly simple. They stopped reaching on players.

Umm, like stopped trying to be cute?

 

[CactusJack]

Umm, like stopped trying to be cute?

Essentially, yes.

In selecting cornerback Devon Witherspoon fifth overall, receiver Jaxon Smith-Njigba at 20, and outside linebacker Derick Hall at No. 37, the Seahawks had drafted what they expect to be three impact players while, rather than reaching for need, sticking with the grades on their draft board.

And as the as the 52nd pick approached, Seattle's fourth pick in the top two rounds thanks to last year's trade that sent Russell Wilson to Denver, they certainly had more concrete needs than a running back. What they did not have, however, was a player with a higher grade on their draft board than UCLA's Zach Charbonnet.

As they always do, the Seahawks did their due diligence during their allotted time on the clock fielding calls about trades, but when it came time to turn in the card, the choice was Charbonnet rather than an interior lineman on either side of the ball, which could have been seen as the bigger need.

"Go with the board," Seahawks coach Pete Carroll said to no one in particular as the pick was phoned in. Carroll then turned to Shane Waldron, who was standing near the back of the room, and said, "He's a heck of a player."

On a few different occasions leading up to this year's draft, as well as in past years, Seahawks general manager John Schneider has talked about the dangers of pushing a player up the draft board due to need. When the Seahawks have missed on players in their previous 13 drafts under Schneider and Carroll, it has often been, Schneider explained, the result of either not doing a good enough job of getting to know the person, or of reaching for a need.

 

[Ad Hawk]

Umm, like stopped trying to be cute?

Reaching, trying to be cute... define these terms please. They come across as shallow and unintelligent.

They're thrown around here quite a bit, but have no real meaning when it comes to drafting other than "they didn't pick who I wish they'd picked."

 

[seahawks08]

This is purely hindsight so more my opinion and analysis on how we drafted post the Superbowl.

1. Losing a Superbowl had a huge impact in Winn ability and with cracks slowly happening from players and coaches, it was clear we wouldn’t be winning anymore with the same roster.
2. Pete thought there were just a few picks and trades needed to make this a Championship team again but the shock of losing a Superbowl had a bigger impact than anyone imagined.
3. Our draft revolved around making the system work around a QB and limited flexibility on true position of need
4. Trading away draft capital with the assumption of minor tweaks to still win with the same team did not click.
5. We had too many established Superheroes that we couldn’t replace at their peak based on the culture of loyalty which back fired as many got injured as their contracts got extended.
6. As we didn’t have draft capital, we started creating more draft picks by trading spots with other teams. We lost leverage.
7. We didn’t have the right coaches in place to coach players up or scheme once we lost some of our coaches.
8. As Pete put it, we got a bit arrogant about it.

 

[keasley45]

Yes ..... and so much more over the years. it should be recognized that John Schneider has covered a lot about draft hits and misses over the years including the covid 19 interruption. Very open about lessons learned. The make up of each draft class is unique unto itself. It's all there in the archived media interviews that have accumulated over the years.

Here is a link to a recent example back in March of this year >>>

'I Beat Myself Up!' Seahawks GM John Schneider Reflects on Draft Lessons Learned >>>​

Link >>> https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/news/seattle-seahawks-john-schneider-reflects-lessons-learned-draft-scouting-combine​

Yeah, and I'm not sure why there has to be some conspiracy that sees John being elevated above Pete or having been given full control of the draft. It's been clear for a long time that Pete and John work incredibly well together and are as aligned as two people with their own individual free wills can be.

The quote I posted from John was about HIS regret over the years. Because HE was the guy with Pete making the decisions.

I do believe that when it came to drafting guys who, as he said 'didn't fit the 'alpha' personality profile that the LOB possessed, that he arrived at that realization before Pete did, because Pete was still trying to create magic around Russ and they both understood the kind of personalities that required.

John was good with scrapping the RW way by 2019 / 2020. That was obvious.

But as to him now 'running things'... I think thats fabricated drama to fit the 'Pete was ruining things and needed to be checked' narrative. I mean, he did ruin things in placating his qb and dismantling a legacy team, but I don't think there's been the power struggle that some try to create.

With the primary cause for the shift in philosophy removed, they could both get back to doing what made the Hawks great.

 

[Jac]

They have all their picks next year (plus Denver's third). All they need to do is nail one more draft (easier said that done), and this team will be stacked with young 'out physical you' talent like the 90's Cowboys, the 2013/14 Seahawks, etc.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I honestly don't care who is the most in charge, etc. The last two drafts have been damn good. Keep drafting like that, couldn't care less who gets more credit and/or who is more in charge of picks etc. Does it really matter? And if so, why?

And the "stopped being cute" thing describes it perfectly. They just drafted damn good player, many of them have already and will continue to contribute. It has been impressive.

 

[Jville]

Yeah, and I'm not sure why there has to be some conspiracy that sees John being elevated above Pete or having been given full control of the draft. It's been clear for a long time that Pete and John work incredibly well together and are as aligned as two people with their own individual free wills can be.

The quote I posted from John was about HIS regret over the years. Because HE was the guy with Pete making the decisions.

I do believe that when it came to drafting guys who, as he said 'didn't fit the 'alpha' personality profile that the LOB possessed, that he arrived at that realization before Pete did, because Pete was still trying to create magic around Russ and they both understood the kind of personalities that required.

John was good with scrapping the RW way by 2019 / 2020. That was obvious.

But as to him now 'running things'... I think thats fabricated drama to fit the 'Pete was ruining things and needed to be checked' narrative. I mean, he did ruin things in placating his qb and dismantling a legacy team, but I don't think there's been the power struggle that some try to create.

With the primary cause for the shift in philosophy removed, they could both get back to doing what made the Hawks great.

There is also the makeup of fan / poster views in play. On one end of conversations we have a there can be only one, top down, boss man type vision of organization structure. And on the other end more of a committee of specialists view of organization. It's more dynamic than either of those views. The actual truth lies with something along the lines of constantly changing task assignments within a dynamic web of collaborative efforts driven by lessons learned.

It's something the entertainment media is ill equipped to cover. Given that it is a copy cat league, it's in the best interest of Jody and John and Pete to continue in their manner.

 

[morgulon1]

Not as impressive and would be pretty much be the same impact as the previous draft. As much as we won the trade from the Broncos, we are not exactly a better team then having Wilson as our QB pre injury.

You're the dude with the aging Russell Wilson fathead on your bedroom wall

 

[Xxx]

From the lips of John Schneider -

"Some of the background information we had on players from a confidence standpoint or a swagger standpoint weren't necessarily able to compete with the Richard Shermans and the Kam Chancellors and the Bobby Wagners and the K.J.s [Wright]. Earl Thomas, you know what I mean?" Schneider said. "We knew we had to do a little better job in that regard [like] in 2010, '11, '12, picking players and building this thing."

I dont know how much clearer it gets than the GM saying they didn't get draft guys of the profile of the original, confident, full of swag players for the period between when the OGs left and 2021.

Like spoon

 

[Xxx]

What changed? It's fairly simple. They stopped reaching on players.

That’s so true… Bruce Irvin, Malik McDowell, but they never recall had high picks, at least they have never seemed to blow a top first round pick, just the late ones. Don’t get me wrong, I like Bruce Irvin but he was a reach. This list is crazy, since Pete and John took over, Germaine ifedi, lj collier, James carpenter, rashad penny (I liked him but was he a first rounder?). These picks have to be a result of picking late in the first round

 

[Xxx]

That’s so true… Bruce Irvin, Malik McDowell, but they never recall had high picks, at least they have never seemed to blow a top first round pick, just the late ones. Don’t get me wrong, I like Bruce Irvin but he was a reach. This list is crazy, since Pete and John took over, Germaine ifedi, lj collier, James carpenter, rashad penny (I liked him but was he a first rounder?). These picks have to be a result of picking late in the first roundView attachment 61934

Ok Malik McDowell was a second round pick, but he was our first pick that year