SoulfishHawk
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He's just getting started. Kid is still all of 25 years old.
As I said, it was not going to be a popular take here. Here’s a thought. Instead of bashing me, how about actually telling me where you disagree or where I’m wrong? Unlike some, I’m open minded and I’m not afraid to admit if I’m wrong. This is strictly my opinion based on what I’ve seen on the field and on the sidelines.Good God. Of all the bad takes on this site we get this gem of pure manure. Turn in your fan card.
That's fairHe's just getting started. Kid is still all of 25 years old.
Defensive backs get into his head, cause personal grudge matches that can easily get the referees involved, and the head coach has to step in to get DK's head back into the game. He could have easily cost the team a playoff spot because of it.
That is the ONLY knock I have against DK Metcalf.
Well since your a long time fan I'll tip my hat to you with my own opinions. I appreciate you prefacing your comments with you having an open mind.As I said, it was not going to be a popular take here. Here’s a thought. Instead of bashing me, how about actually telling me where you disagree or where I’m wrong? Unlike some, I’m open minded and I’m not afraid to admit if I’m wrong. This is strictly my opinion based on what I’ve seen on the field and on the sidelines.
Below average hands? Yes (Too many drops)
Fails to win his share of 50/50 balls for his size advantage? Yes (Strictly memory and eye test)
Sloppy/poor route running and rounding off routes? Yes (Mentioned many times in this forum)
Fails to create separation on a reasonably consistent basis? Yes (Again, strictly memory and eye test. Seems to always be blanketed by the DB)
Limited route tree? Yes (Don’t know how this can be debated)
Immaturity, losing his cool and focus, and at times drawing flags at inopportune times? Yes (Happens on nearly a weekly basis)
Gets upset if he’s not getting the targets he feels he deserves? Yes (Personally have seen this on more than one occasion)
As for my fandom, I’ve probably been a fan longer than you’ve been alive….. from day one of the franchise.
Just because I’m critical of a certain player doesn’t make me less of a fan than you are. I would argue that it makes me more of a fan because I’m willing to look at the team and individual players with critical thinking, versus….. “oh he’s wearing blue and green…..he’s the greatest player to ever play the game” type mentality.
I agree with your analysis here. DK has the big contract--$72 million over 3 years, so expectations are very high.As I said, it was not going to be a popular take here. Here’s a thought. Instead of bashing me, how about actually telling me where you disagree or where I’m wrong? Unlike some, I’m open minded and I’m not afraid to admit if I’m wrong. This is strictly my opinion based on what I’ve seen on the field and on the sidelines.
Below average hands? Yes (Too many drops)
Fails to win his share of 50/50 balls for his size advantage? Yes (Strictly memory and eye test)
Sloppy/poor route running and rounding off routes? Yes (Mentioned many times in this forum)
Fails to create separation on a reasonably consistent basis? Yes (Again, strictly memory and eye test. Seems to always be blanketed by the DB)
Limited route tree? Yes (Don’t know how this can be debated)
Immaturity, losing his cool and focus, and at times drawing flags at inopportune times? Yes (Happens on nearly a weekly basis)
Gets upset if he’s not getting the targets he feels he deserves? Yes (Personally have seen this on more than one occasion)
As for my fandom, I’ve probably been a fan longer than you’ve been alive….. from day one of the franchise.
Just because I’m critical of a certain player doesn’t make me less of a fan than you are. I would argue that it makes me more of a fan because I’m willing to look at the team and individual players with critical thinking, versus….. “oh he’s wearing blue and green…..he’s the greatest player to ever play the game” type mentality.
Agreed.I think the issue is we are responding to a ranking system based on traditional metrics and popularity. I guess you could say we are also ourselves evaluating players in the same way at times.
What's not considered often enough in these rankings is the total contribution of a player to the team . For wrs, it's measuring catches, highlight catches, TD catches.
If it took into account in any meaningful way metrics like blocking, or intangibles like 'tone setting', or how difficult it is for the opposition to stop a player, you'd get a different result.
Because we don't have to rely on DK the way the Lions did Megatron, means he slips under the radar a bit.
That's not to say he's perfect in any sense. Dude still drops too many balls.
But in terms of his ability to impact a game, he's for sure top 100.
Drops? Put the drops in context. How much double coverage does DK draw? How many targets? 141 targets and he dropped 7...for a "whopping" 5% drop rate. Last year that 5 % drop rate ranked him 73rd in the NFL...any talented WR ranked worse? ...DeAndre Hopkins/DeVonta Smith/Stefon Diggs/Travis Kelce/Jamarr Chase(23rd)/Courtland Sutton (20th)/Amari Cooper (17th)/Deebo Samuel (15th)Agreed.
I do want to point one thing out though. Folks mention AJ Brown as one of the top receivers and DK gets knocked for drops (I’m not attacking your comment…I agree).
DK caught more passes while being targeted less. Granted…”targeted” could be an interpretation on a ball that may not be catchable.
DK brings a lot more to the game than 1500 yard seasons.
I’m obviously biased but, he’s definitely a Top 10 receiver and a nightmare to match up with.
I’m terrible with analogies and DK hasn’t hit this level yet but, he’s kind of the Aaron Donald of receivers. You look at the stats after and are sometimes left unimpressed.
But go ahead and not double him and see what happens.
Top billin is a clown but I do like his breakdowns.My favorite "Go to site" for film study breakdown...Top Billin's team is the Eagles but he often gives Seattle some respected love.
He does struggle in contested stuff which is odd since its an area you would think he would dominate. I would disagree on route running and route tree stuff though. He's gotten a ton better in this regard since entering the league. He's never going to be Lockett in this regard because physically it's probably impossible but he has improved A TON. In a more volume happy system I think DK would be putting up ridiculous numbers and maybe this is the year he blows up, although it may be tough with Lockett, JSN, the TE room etc.As I said, it was not going to be a popular take here. Here’s a thought. Instead of bashing me, how about actually telling me where you disagree or where I’m wrong? Unlike some, I’m open minded and I’m not afraid to admit if I’m wrong. This is strictly my opinion based on what I’ve seen on the field and on the sidelines.
Below average hands? Yes (Too many drops)
Fails to win his share of 50/50 balls for his size advantage? Yes (Strictly memory and eye test)
Sloppy/poor route running and rounding off routes? Yes (Mentioned many times in this forum)
Fails to create separation on a reasonably consistent basis? Yes (Again, strictly memory and eye test. Seems to always be blanketed by the DB)
Limited route tree? Yes (Don’t know how this can be debated)
Immaturity, losing his cool and focus, and at times drawing flags at inopportune times? Yes (Happens on nearly a weekly basis)
Gets upset if he’s not getting the targets he feels he deserves? Yes (Personally have seen this on more than one occasion)
As for my fandom, I’ve probably been a fan longer than you’ve been alive….. from day one of the franchise.
Just because I’m critical of a certain player doesn’t make me less of a fan than you are. I would argue that it makes me more of a fan because I’m willing to look at the team and individual players with critical thinking, versus….. “oh he’s wearing blue and green…..he’s the greatest player to ever play the game” type mentality.
You actually come across as putting some thought into your post...refreshing to see. Your concern for DK not being twitchy enough is more a reflection of thinking there is some WR standard that all great WR "should" have.DK's such an unusual WR to me. I have a really difficult time trying to spec him to another WR past or present. He's so big and muscular it's hard to believe he possesses such top end speed. I don't think he's ever going to be a twitchy receiver, one of those receivers who can maximize their effectiveness in tight spaces with sudden stops, twists, and turns.
But I do think he's got real potential on sideline routes, post patterns, and crossing routes where he can maximize his speed, athletic ability, and formidable frame to flat out beat defenders, make high point grabs, and seal off defenders with his body for a catch.
It's so great that we finally got that bona fide 3rd receiver. He could have a real effective year as long as he doesn't turn diva on us. Barring injury, they won't be able to cover him with a surplus of defenders. If he runs his routes right, holds onto the ball, and better learns some of the finer points about being a receiver, we could have a real exciting passing attack this year.
I get that...but unless your visiting to comment you can just glean any insights you might see yourself from his film study...even a bad "messenger" can deliver good news.Top billin is a clown but I do like his breakdowns.
Sigh….I’m not going to add context to a general comment where I’m not even knocking DK. I’m defending him.Drops? Put the drops in context. How much double coverage does DK draw? How many targets? 141 targets and he dropped 7...for a "whopping" 5% drop rate. Last year that 5 % drop rate ranked him 73rd in the NFL...any talented WR ranked worse? ...DeAndre Hopkins/DeVonta Smith/Stefon Diggs/Travis Kelce/Jamarr Chase(23rd)/Courtland Sutton (20th)/Amari Cooper (17th)/Deebo Samuel (15th)
Accumulation stats always need to be put into context...not just "yeah but he had 7 drops"
For those infatuated with Tyreek Hill he finished 4 spots better ranked 77th.
Sorry I was actually looking for a post to hitch hike onSigh….I’m not going to add context to a general comment where I’m not even knocking DK. I’m defending him.
But…there’s more context to add if we’re nitpicking. Tyreek had 1700+ yards.
But…Tyreek was targeted more. But DK had more drops in the end zone.
You see…this doesn’t end.
My post was just fine.
Wires crossed! I already gave you a thumbs up because you gave a good thoughtful post...and your post was fair yet favorable toward DK so I wouldn't be directing any angst your way...I was lazy and looking to hitch hike on any post mentioning drops...you weren't the origin...you just did an agreed...I had already responded to the post you were reacting to. Your post was fine...I was putting "drops" in perspective as a hitch hiker to your post...your content was fine which is why I'll leave you without responding to Tyreke Hill. My posts need better articulation it seems.Sigh….I’m not going to add context to a general comment where I’m not even knocking DK. I’m defending him.
But…there’s more context to add if we’re nitpicking. Tyreek had 1700+ yards.
But…Tyreek was targeted more. But DK had more drops in the end zone.
You see…this doesn’t end.
My post was just fine.