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 Post subject: Re: Marcus Mariota's last 2 games
 Post Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:15 pm 
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He's easily the best QB has had since Dennis Dixon, and he's probably better than Dixon as well, and that's comparing a 1st year starter in Mariota to a Dixon in his senior year.


And Dixon was a 5th round pick who has played in a grand total of 3 NFL games. Oregon's system is great for the college game, but who was the last Oregon QB to have NFL success? Joey Harrington (using a very loose definition of the word 'success')?


Mariota as a freshman with 4 games left in his season already has 8 more td's then Dixon had in his best season. In the passing game the two are not comparable, Mariota is a better QB right now then Dixon is after 5 years in the NFL. He's also faster then Dixon, although Dixon may have been more elusive.

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 Post subject: Re: Marcus Mariota's last 2 games
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All I'm going to say is KP last year vs KP this year. I'd let Mariota play another year before crowning his ass.


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 Post subject: Re: Marcus Mariota's last 2 games
 Post Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:34 pm 
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zifnab32 wrote:
cesame wrote:
He's easily the best QB has had since Dennis Dixon, and he's probably better than Dixon as well, and that's comparing a 1st year starter in Mariota to a Dixon in his senior year.


And Dixon was a 5th round pick who has played in a grand total of 3 NFL games. Oregon's system is great for the college game, but who was the last Oregon QB to have NFL success? Joey Harrington (using a very loose definition of the word 'success')?


Joey was a victim of Owner / GM / Coaches all being on different pages and basically pissing on each other and not even calling it rain ...

As far as other Duck QB's who have gone pro and had 'success' ...

Bob Berry
Chris Miller
Kellen Clemens
A.J. Feeley
Dan Fouts
Akili Smith
Norm Van Brocklin

Varying degrees of 'success' with each of the above alumni ...

Mariota is 'The Truth' and any of you guys who dispute that are simply in denial, IMO. He has shown a tremendous level of poise for a Freshman ...

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 Post subject: Re: Marcus Mariota's last 2 games
 Post Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:36 am 
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HawkHouse wrote:
zifnab32 wrote:
cesame wrote:
He's easily the best QB has had since Dennis Dixon, and he's probably better than Dixon as well, and that's comparing a 1st year starter in Mariota to a Dixon in his senior year.


And Dixon was a 5th round pick who has played in a grand total of 3 NFL games. Oregon's system is great for the college game, but who was the last Oregon QB to have NFL success? Joey Harrington (using a very loose definition of the word 'success')?


Joey was a victim of Owner / GM / Coaches all being on different pages and basically pissing on each other and not even calling it rain ...

As far as other Duck QB's who have gone pro and had 'success' ...

Bob Berry
Chris Miller
Kellen Clemens
A.J. Feeley
Dan Fouts
Akili Smith
Norm Van Brocklin

Varying degrees of 'success' with each of the above alumni ...

Mariota is 'The Truth' and any of you guys who dispute that are simply in denial, IMO. He has shown a tremendous level of poise for a Freshman ...

not saying you're wrong... Just saying that a single incredible season doesn't always carry over. I didn't see any reason to doubt Keith either yet here we are.


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 Post subject: Re: Marcus Mariota's last 2 games
 Post Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:02 pm 
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Let's look at Mariota as a prospect. I've seen most of his games, but I haven't scouted him.

Pros:

Plus arm strength, can throw the ball to all areas of field without trouble. Ball arrives with zip.
Known as a cool customer in the pocket.
Makes multiple reads. Generally good at throwing the ball to the right player.
Excellent short accuracy (could be product of offense), very good intermediate accuracy, and solid deep accuracy (usually a size or speed advantage - but fast WRs are short).
Can throw accurate touch passes as needed, short and deep.
Very quick release.
Great height, looks at least 6'3.5 (listed as 6'4, but I never trust that).
High release point (actually could release it higher, given his size. The overall result is that it is high off the ground)
Great straight ahead speed, long strides (Ran for an 86 yard TD... just to prove that wasn't a fluke, he ran for another 70+ yarder in the Spring game). Good burst and agility, looks like a smooth athlete rather than exceptionally explosive.


Cons:
Throwing motion reminds me of David Carr's a little too much, a little low and a little bit of push movement to it.
Very skinny. Needs to add serious bulk to be a runner in the NFL, and needs to add at least 20lbs to even be taken seriously as a passer with scrambling ability.
Too often, throws a ball that lets the defender have a shot at the pick. Usually due to relying on his arm strength.
Could go through reads quicker, although not that slow by any means.
Do not play the Robin Sherbatsky drinking game during a lengthy Mariota interview.
Footwork throwing the ball is fine, footwork setting up to throw could be a problem in the NFL.
System is not at all like NFL system.
Team is significantly better (faster) than opponents.

That sounds better than a lot of QBs that get drafted early. Certainly, he's a smarter choice than Kirk Cousins or Nick Foles. Heck, you might be able to make the case that he's better than Tannehill was - sadly, better at reading defenses (though, again, Mariota's weight is a no-go for any kind of serious NFL investment). But, yeah, he's not Stafford, Bradford, Newton, Luck, or RG3 as a prospect.

Oh yeah. He's a rFr. He certainly compares well to Luck and Bradford as rFr and to RG3 at a Fr. Not sure about Stafford or Newton, since Stafford took over midway and Newton didn't play. That's where a lot of the excitement is coming from.

In terms of tools, it's all there for Mariota to go #1. He's got more talent than Luck or Bradford, but less than RG3 or Newton. The big thing for him will be adding weight - he's not going anywhere near the top at 6'4 200 - I am assuming that he's a skinny twig at least partially because he's a rFr. He will also need to tighten up his mechanics (which will be the last step for his accuracy) and stop making the (relatively few, but too many to go #1) overly brave throws. Given the team he is on, he will need to continue to produce very efficiently. And, being a QB, he'll need to show great leadership credentials to go high in the draft. So it'll take some improvement and some time, but I think the physical package and the current level of play make Mariota as good a #1 overall pick prospect as any freshman QB.

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 Post subject: Re: Marcus Mariota's last 2 games
 Post Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:23 pm 
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Good post Kyle. Thanks for putting a little more depth into it then just my "i watch him play i know how good he is" scouting report.

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