Assistant Ref shouldn't have corrected the onside kick call

Glasgow Seahawk · Sep 16, 2015

http://www.king5.com/story/sports/nfl/s ... /32505323/

It doesn't bother me much since the assistant ref was right and we didn't make the 4th and 1 later anyway but some food for though.

mikeak · Sep 16, 2015

That is all speculation

Could as well be that one guy saw it differently and said so

Either way it was the right call so no issues with it either

HawkFan72 · Sep 16, 2015

It was the right call, and if anything the Hawks should have been penalized for hitting a guy who called for fair catch. If the call had stood and the Hawks had won, I'm sure that's all we'd be hearing in the media anyway. How the "Seahawks win again on another botched call".

hawknation2015 · Sep 16, 2015

It would not have been a great way to win a football game on a missed review due to a technicality of procedure. They got the call right . . . we missed up . . . that is all that matters.

kidhawk · Sep 16, 2015

HawkFan72":2gbu6kj9 said:
It was the right call, and if anything the Hawks should have been penalized for hitting a guy who called for fair catch. If the call had stood and the Hawks had won, I'm sure that's all we'd be hearing in the media anyway. How the "Seahawks win again on another botched call".

Honestly, I'm glad they got it right in the end, because I'd rather games be won/lost by the play of the teams, but if it is true that the replay official in the booth called down to alert them of the error, then something should be done, either change the rule to allow that, or punish him for breaking the rule as it was not a call that could be reviewed, so there should be no contact from the booth. Either way it shouldn't and doesn't change the outcome of the game.

Rex · Sep 16, 2015

kidhawk":22u46lk7 said:
HawkFan72":22u46lk7 said:

It was the right call, and if anything the Hawks should have been penalized for hitting a guy who called for fair catch. If the call had stood and the Hawks had won, I'm sure that's all we'd be hearing in the media anyway. How the "Seahawks win again on another botched call".

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Honestly, I'm glad they got it right in the end, because I'd rather games be won/lost by the play of the teams, but if it is true that the replay official in the booth called down to alert them of the error, then something should be done, either change the rule to allow that, or punish him for breaking the rule as it was not a call that could be reviewed, so there should be no contact from the booth. Either way it shouldn't and doesn't change the outcome of the game.

In OT it is a booth review. Even then the officials on the field only got it half right since the Seahawks should have been penalized 15 yards.

kidhawk · Sep 16, 2015

Rex":1p91kvy4 said:
kidhawk":1p91kvy4 said:

HawkFan72":1p91kvy4 said:

It was the right call, and if anything the Hawks should have been penalized for hitting a guy who called for fair catch. If the call had stood and the Hawks had won, I'm sure that's all we'd be hearing in the media anyway. How the "Seahawks win again on another botched call".

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Honestly, I'm glad they got it right in the end, because I'd rather games be won/lost by the play of the teams, but if it is true that the replay official in the booth called down to alert them of the error, then something should be done, either change the rule to allow that, or punish him for breaking the rule as it was not a call that could be reviewed, so there should be no contact from the booth. Either way it shouldn't and doesn't change the outcome of the game.

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In OT it is a booth review. Even then the officials on the field only got it half right since the Seahawks should have been penalized 15 yards.

It's only booth review for plays that are reviewable. That particular play is not reviewable, therefor there is no booth review possible

kobebryant · Sep 16, 2015

As long as they got it right, which they did, is what matters to me.

Besides, we probably had 2-4 guys get away with 15 yard penalties for hitting the returner after a fair catch signal.

The end result of the game was just; the Rams played well, hard, and inspired while the Hawks barely showed up.

Ozzy · Sep 16, 2015

kidhawk":3efmdgvs said:
Rex":3efmdgvs said:

kidhawk":3efmdgvs said:

HawkFan72":3efmdgvs said:

It was the right call, and if anything the Hawks should have been penalized for hitting a guy who called for fair catch. If the call had stood and the Hawks had won, I'm sure that's all we'd be hearing in the media anyway. How the "Seahawks win again on another botched call".

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Honestly, I'm glad they got it right in the end, because I'd rather games be won/lost by the play of the teams, but if it is true that the replay official in the booth called down to alert them of the error, then something should be done, either change the rule to allow that, or punish him for breaking the rule as it was not a call that could be reviewed, so there should be no contact from the booth. Either way it shouldn't and doesn't change the outcome of the game.

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In OT it is a booth review. Even then the officials on the field only got it half right since the Seahawks should have been penalized 15 yards.

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It's only booth review for plays that are reviewable. That particular play is not reviewable, therefor there is no booth review possible

Kid is right, that play wasn't reviewable. I agree that I'm glad they got it right but if it did come from above its something they need to make sure doesn't happen again. They have it set up that way for a reason.

themunn · Sep 16, 2015

the way they changed it after it was announced - it felt like they'd seen it on the big screen or something and realised their mistake.

in a way I'm glad the right call won out, but at the same time feel like we'd never benefit from such a situation ourselves

fenderbender123 · Sep 16, 2015

I don't care if we win on a bad call. I just wanna win.

CalboHawk · Sep 16, 2015

On the one hand getting the call right feels better, but the problem is when getting the right call becomes selective.

Maybe it is only me, but to some degree offensive holding occurs on almost every play and it becomes a discretionary decision whether it will be called or not. If on the replay we see an uncalled holding, the announcers say that the offensive lineman "got away with one" but obviously the non-call alters the game as much as a called hold.

Selective discretion can be abused in subtle ways and can therefore subtly alter outcomes selectively.

Maybe Triplette got the initial call wrong, but within the administrative rules someone shouldn't have been allowed to influence him after his call because the call was not reviewable.

Expecting perfection is not realistic, but knowingly breaking the rules to fix a botched call is also not acceptable.

formido · Sep 16, 2015

CalboHawk":2mopcoyw said:
On the one hand getting the call right feels better, but the problem is when getting the right call becomes selective.

Maybe it is only me, but to some degree offensive holding occurs on almost every play and it becomes a discretionary decision whether it will be called or not. If on the replay we see an uncalled holding, the announcers say that the offensive lineman "got away with one" but obviously the non-call alters the game as much as a called hold.

Selective discretion can be abused in subtle ways and can therefore subtly alter outcomes selectively.

Maybe Triplette got the initial call wrong, but within the administrative rules someone shouldn't have been allowed to influence him after his call because the call was not reviewable.

Expecting perfection is not realistic, but knowingly breaking the rules to fix a botched call is also not acceptable.

This is exactly right, but most people don't want to think about or discuss it because the implications are pretty harrowing to our sense of fair play.

HawkGA · Sep 16, 2015

hawknation2015":1sn4yj07 said:
It would not have been a great way to win a football game on a missed review due to a technicality of procedure. They got the call right . . . we missed up . . . that is all that matters.

People have won Super Bowls for worse calls. Just sayin'.

HawkFan72 · Sep 16, 2015

The fact that is is wrong for the Replay Officials to notify the officials that they got the call wrong is ridiculous. This should be happening on a regular basis. They should be able to buzz down and say "you guys got the call wrong, reverse it." The fact that they can't just means there are more incorrect calls.

HawkGA · Sep 16, 2015

CalboHawk":7m3xbt8d said:
On the one hand getting the call right feels better, but the problem is when getting the right call becomes selective.

Maybe it is only me, but to some degree offensive holding occurs on almost every play and it becomes a discretionary decision whether it will be called or not. If on the replay we see an uncalled holding, the announcers say that the offensive lineman "got away with one" but obviously the non-call alters the game as much as a called hold.

Selective discretion can be abused in subtle ways and can therefore subtly alter outcomes selectively.

Maybe Triplette got the initial call wrong, but within the administrative rules someone shouldn't have been allowed to influence him after his call because the call was not reviewable.

Expecting perfection is not realistic, but knowingly breaking the rules to fix a botched call is also not acceptable.

Pretty much. One thing that stood out to me from the article, or at least from the article I read earlier and assuming it is the same one, was the notion that getting the call right is more important than the rules. I don't agree with that. Don't get me wrong, I'm not mad about the call. Mistakes happen. But the notion that the rules don't matter is ridiculous. Rules are the things that set the playing field. If rules don't matter than the outcome becomes whatever somebody wants it to be. Would it have been right with the tuck rule for the ref to say, "according to the tuck rule, this isn't a fumble, but seriously, we all think it was a fumble so we're going to call it a fumble"? I'm fine saying the rule should be changed, but don't tell me the outcome is more important than the rule.

Rex · Sep 16, 2015

kidhawk":178b873t said:
Rex":178b873t said:

kidhawk":178b873t said:

HawkFan72":178b873t said:

It was the right call, and if anything the Hawks should have been penalized for hitting a guy who called for fair catch. If the call had stood and the Hawks had won, I'm sure that's all we'd be hearing in the media anyway. How the "Seahawks win again on another botched call".

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Honestly, I'm glad they got it right in the end, because I'd rather games be won/lost by the play of the teams, but if it is true that the replay official in the booth called down to alert them of the error, then something should be done, either change the rule to allow that, or punish him for breaking the rule as it was not a call that could be reviewed, so there should be no contact from the booth. Either way it shouldn't and doesn't change the outcome of the game.

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In OT it is a booth review. Even then the officials on the field only got it half right since the Seahawks should have been penalized 15 yards.

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It's only booth review for plays that are reviewable. That particular play is not reviewable, therefor there is no booth review possible

It's been done since the refs have been wearing the headset. We never hear about it. Even now it is just conjecture. Even then they only got it half right.

Rex · Sep 16, 2015

themunn":1cm6akf5 said:
the way they changed it after it was announced - it felt like they'd seen it on the big screen or something and realised their mistake.

in a way I'm glad the right call won out, but at the same time feel like we'd never benefit from such a situation ourselves

Good point about the big screen since it was obvious that it was a bad call.

Rex · Sep 16, 2015

HawkFan72":38af8uj1 said:
The fact that is is wrong for the Replay Officials to notify the officials that they got the call wrong is ridiculous. This should be happening on a regular basis. They should be able to buzz down and say "you guys got the call wrong, reverse it." The fact that they can't just means there are more incorrect calls.

Exactly right. Emphasis should be on making the correct call.

kidhawk · Sep 16, 2015

Rex":2fcq4ej7 said:
HawkFan72":2fcq4ej7 said:

The fact that is is wrong for the Replay Officials to notify the officials that they got the call wrong is ridiculous. This should be happening on a regular basis. They should be able to buzz down and say "you guys got the call wrong, reverse it." The fact that they can't just means there are more incorrect calls.

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Exactly right. Emphasis should be on making the correct call.

Emphasis is on making the correct call, but until the time comes where the NFL allows judgement calls to be reviewed, then the replay official in the booth needs to follow the guidelines put in place and not interfere with referee calls made on the field that are BY RULE, not reviewable.

As I said above, they got the call right, so it's not a big deal for this one game, but IF officials in the replay booth are deciding to overrule calls on the field that are out of their purview, then that can be a serious problem moving forward.

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