PFF: Christine Michael 3rd best pass-blocking amongst RBs

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MontanaHawk05":3gjxppyd said:
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And you can bet that's going to leave him with high favor for potential contract renegotiations. Pete loves such blockers. Although IIRC, Rawls wasn't bad himself.

Countering this is his obvious inability or want to, to get an extra yard and get a first down.

Pete pointed out in his press conference that they had to "coach him up" after a few plays.

Hopefully, this plays itself out and he stops doing that but it was a trend when he got here and it seems to still be a trend now.

I like Michael and think he did a lot to come back and make it on the team but I still don't really think he's starter material. It's just a feeling I get when I watch him.
 

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PC's comment was in response to a question or he may not have said anything; and when he did, he addressed just that one play, outside to the right. And he also suggested that CMike had been instructed to avoid unnecessary shots, an instruction he was likely trying to be disciplined about, but how in that particular instance it was the wrong choice.

The way PC put it left the impression that it in no way reflected on CM''s willingness or hunger to instead go for the hard yards.

edit: It does leave him open to criticism for sometimes playing things incorrectly; something he is hopefully improving on, now that he has a few games under his belt.
 

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LeftHandSmoke":1rjyj5od said:
PC's comment was in response to a question or he may not have said anything; and when he did, he addressed just that one play, outside to the right. And he also suggested that CMike had been instructed to avoid unnecessary shots, an instruction he was likely trying to be disciplined about, but how in that particular instance it was the wrong choice.

The way PC put it left the impression that it in no way reflected on CM''s willingness or hunger to instead go for the hard yards.

edit: It does leave him open to criticism for sometimes playing things incorrectly; something he is hopefully improving on, now that he has a few games under his belt.

I remember that play and the one later in the game. Never thought he was unwilling just a lack of situational awareness

Still there are two guys ranked higher than him - need to fix that :D
 

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Ive been saying this since last year and always found it weird that so many posters would always say his pass blocking was the main reason they don't like him. He was stoning guys and succeeding in this role since late last year.
 

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austinslater25":1uy82hau said:
Ive been saying this since last year and always found it weird that so many posters would always say his pass blocking was the main reason they don't like him. He was stoning guys and succeeding in this role since late last year.
Agreed. Remember that game when he hit a LB so hard that the guy had to leave the field? Wicked.

Hopefully Rawls shows up strong and somehow gets enough reps to get into a good groove but unless CM gets hurt (a strong possibility given the load he's carrying) then CM may be the best horse we have to ride for a while.

Slightly related, Bevell made a few interesting comments yesterday when asked about Prosise - including the suggestion that, like he was used at Notre Dame, he should probably get at least a good look as an early-downs back.
 

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There needs to be an acknowledgement by both sides there:

Christian Michael should not be starting.

He leaves yards on the table. He isn't as dependable in short yardage because he hesitates at the line. He isn't tremendously physical at the point of contact.

However, he is an exceptional back-up RB.

So for all the people piling on him, we are lucky to have him. Our starter was supposed to be Rawls.

What he is, is a threat to get more than 4 yards. He doesn't hit many, if any, home runs but it is not entirely out of the question for him to rip off a 20 yd or even a 30 yd run in a game either.

And he catches and blocks well, as both the eyes and the OP make clear.

We cannot just put our focus on our rushing attack with Michael like we did with Rawls, but he is good enough that we don't have to abandon it either. And he must be coachable in some way, vs the sentiment, because he seems to be getting better and getter.

Finally, his ability to work with the passing game means we don't have to pull him out during the passing, so we are not stuck with a tell like we have had in years past.

We got really lucky to get him back because we don't have a whole lot in the wings without him. He isn't a starter but he made a big difference in keeping us upright when we lost our starter.
 

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Isn't his YPC even better than Cards 'superman' David Johnson?

Thought I read that.
 

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Dumb question: Would the bone injury he has prevent Rawls from much physical training while it heals?
 

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I think Michael is a few things:

he has great burst and athleticism
he has very good hands
he blocks well

He lacks:

SItuational awareness
football intelligence/aptitude
some confidence in certain situations

I think his willingness to go down is based on a fear of fumbling. I've also read somewhere that Carroll instructed him not to take unnecessary shots (right now our depth is shaky). I don't think he's the greatest open field runner, although he was great at this in college. I think he's a willing and capable blocker. When you chip a DE and take him out of the game, that's not an accident. You have to like to do that.

I also notice with him, he doesn't pick up stuff naturally, where some other guys get it in a week of practice. He needs more and more reps to get something down. Maybe it's a learning disability. Not sure, but eventually he does get it but it takes him a bit longer. Maturity had something to do with that, but he's matured a bit for sure.
 

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I know a studio/recording/specialist kid who has worked some with CM (and knows and cares nothing about football) who described his musical abilities in similar fashion: He has fun and hits it hard but sometimes needs to be first aimed in the right direction.
 

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Hawks46":1ldogw7y said:
I think Michael is a few things:

he has great burst and athleticism
he has very good hands
he blocks well

He lacks:

SItuational awareness
football intelligence/aptitude
some confidence in certain situations

I think his willingness to go down is based on a fear of fumbling. I've also read somewhere that Carroll instructed him not to take unnecessary shots (right now our depth is shaky). I don't think he's the greatest open field runner, although he was great at this in college. I think he's a willing and capable blocker. When you chip a DE and take him out of the game, that's not an accident. You have to like to do that.

I also notice with him, he doesn't pick up stuff naturally, where some other guys get it in a week of practice. He needs more and more reps to get something down. Maybe it's a learning disability. Not sure, but eventually he does get it but it takes him a bit longer. Maturity had something to do with that, but he's matured a bit for sure.

Agreed. This sums up Michael Sr. really well. He offers more than Turbin ever did as an example-Michael has the ability to break a 20 yarder here and there and has also been healthy and durable so far. Michael became the #1 recently as the result of attrition but we could certainly do a lot worse. He's really grown on me from the end of last season through now and is a solid NFL back-not spectacular but has no problem carrying the load for now.
 

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You can't forget that he is getting hit immediately upon taking the ball.

When Rawls played this season he had very limited success as well. Mainly due to getting the ball and getting hit immediately......

So I think situational awareness can be fixed with Michael and then the question is if we can start stopping people a little more. We have improved our pass-protect but gotten worse over the last two years in run protect
 

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I think Alex Collins needs to see the field more. And if you do go for it on 3rd or 4th and short, AC should be the back, not Michael.
 

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ivotuk":2bfsg0t2 said:
I think Alex Collins needs to see the field more. And if you do go for it on 3rd or 4th and short, AC should be the back, not Michael.
AC got caught from behind on the otherwise-good play to get open off a block and then catch the pass for a first down on 3rd and long, that enabled the game-winning FG.

But on his only other snap of the game he took the ball on a handoff from RW at about the 6, somehow managed to freeze and avoid a DE who had him dead to sights at the 4, and blasted through a tackle at the 2 for his first NFL TD. RW later tracked down that ball and presented it to him in the locker room after the game. Spectacular day for the kid.

Yes he is young but I agree, him getting more shots in short yardage situations could be fun to watch.
 

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ivotuk":3dcdcaid said:
I think Alex Collins needs to see the field more. And if you do go for it on 3rd or 4th and short, AC should be the back, not Michael.

I agree with this. AC is always good for short yardage...and that's about it!
 

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I'm okay with cm saving his body when AC is the next option
 

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I always get the feeling that CMike is still learning. I think he used to get away with a lot just on his Athleticism, which is fine at the lower levels, but at the Pro levels you also need smarts. Not saying he's dumb, he's just never learned, he never needed to. Now, he's got to learn and he's taking baby steps to learn the nuances of the game and pretty soon, he will know those situational setting when to extend and when to cover up. Give the lad some more games, get his confidence up and watch the guy take off.
 

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If they activate Prosise then would they not activate either Spiller or Collins?
 

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LeftHandSmoke":zfirexz7 said:
If they activate Prosise then would they not activate either Spiller or Collins?
Bump. Any ideas on how many backs might be active?
 
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