chris98251 wrote:Montana needed Taylor and Clark and Jones to compliment Rice, but point of your statement is correct, you need guys that can seperate and catch the ball.
Most also had a decent rushing attack, James with Manning, Tyler, Craig, Watters in S.F., Warner Faulk, Bradshaw Blier and some Italian guy named Harris, Smith in Dallas, Marino was the only one that really had no rushing attack, and by chance the only one on that list not to win a Superbowl.
SPOHAWK wrote:If my grandma had wheels, she'd be a trolley!
Hawkfan509 wrote:SPOHAWK wrote:If my grandma had wheels, she'd be a trolley!
You could tape a Cheetah to her back. Just sayin
Basis4day wrote:
Do you realize HOW expensive we're talking for Fitz?
2013: $5 million (+ $10 million option bonus due 3/15), 2014: $12.75 million, 2015: $8 million (+ $8 million roster bonus), 2016: $15 million, 2017-2018: $14.75 million, 2019: Free Agent
Hawks46 wrote:No way would I improve the Cardinals to the point of making them the next NFC West Powerhouse !
Oh, and on the whole "QBs needing elite WRs to be successful" point.....
Brady hasn't had an elite WR outside of Moss for one year. They've trotted out tons of journeymen in and out of that system and that QB. Brady made Welker elite, not the other way around. Branch was borderline elite when he was in NE, but he came here and showed he was merely above average. Went back to NE with Brady and bang! he's good again.
ImTheScientist wrote:This guy is the closest thing to beast mode we will ever see. You got a glimpse of that yesterday. He was instantly my favorite player when they signed him. Give the dude a chance and don't overreact or overthink preseason. Go Hawks. Lacy will rush for 1,100 and 10TDs. Bend the knee.
pehawk wrote:Hawks46 wrote:No way would I improve the Cardinals to the point of making them the next NFC West Powerhouse !
Oh, and on the whole "QBs needing elite WRs to be successful" point.....
Brady hasn't had an elite WR outside of Moss for one year. They've trotted out tons of journeymen in and out of that system and that QB. Brady made Welker elite, not the other way around. Branch was borderline elite when he was in NE, but he came here and showed he was merely above average. Went back to NE with Brady and bang! he's good again.
Eli doesn't have squat either. Its laughable how overrated whatever WR he plays with becomes.
warden wrote:DavidSeven wrote: but truly elite QBs don't need all-world receivers to run a dominant offense. .
Hmm
Peyton Manning had Harrison/ Wayne
Montana had Rice
Steve Young had Rice
Marino had Duper and Clayton
Warner had Bruce and Holt
Aikman had Irvin
Bradshaw had Swann and Stalworth
Just for starters , would you like me to continue
pehawk wrote:I thought a dropkick is worth 2?
kbreitkreutz wrote:pehawk wrote:I thought a dropkick is worth 2?
Yessir
DavidSeven wrote:warden wrote:DavidSeven wrote: but truly elite QBs don't need all-world receivers to run a dominant offense. .
Hmm
Peyton Manning had Harrison/ Wayne
Montana had Rice
Steve Young had Rice
Marino had Duper and Clayton
Warner had Bruce and Holt
Aikman had Irvin
Bradshaw had Swann and Stalworth
Just for starters , would you like me to continue
Gee, you think playing with HOF QBs might have aided in the development of some of those guys? Go look at Harrison and Wayne's career trajectory. Harrison's receiving yards went from 776 to 1,663 in Peyton's second year. It took Wayne four seasons with Peyton to break 1,000 yards. And now look what Peyton's doing for Decker and Thomas in Denver.
Please go see what Tom Brady has done for an entire career without a legitimate #1 receiver (besides Moss for one season). Please check out how the 2005 Seahawks had the most dominant offense in the NFL with a receiving corp worse than what we have now. Please take notice that Victor Cruz and Wes Welker were undrafted free agents who developed chemistry with great QBs. And finally, you might have already recognized that Russell Wilson has helped Golden Tate go from consensus bust to valuable contributor in a single season.
No one is denying we need to add more depth at WR. We just don't need to compromise significant cap space or talent to do it. Obsessing over finding "stud receivers" is quick way to bury your franchise. Go ask Detroit or Oakland how that worked out for them.
lukerguy wrote:
Wayne had 1355 yards this year without Manning..
Also, the year Brady had Moss it was by far his best statistical year.
No doubt that the HOF QB is good on his own, but to say that the QB makes them is a stretch. The only conclusion I can come to would be that it would definitely help a lot to have a pro bowl caliber WR on our team
DavidSeven wrote:Gee, you think playing with HOF QBs might have aided in the development of some of those guys? Go look at Harrison and Wayne's career trajectory. Harrison's receiving yards went from 776 to 1,663 in Peyton's second year. It took Wayne four seasons with Peyton to break 1,000 yards. And now look what Peyton's doing for Decker and Thomas in Denver.
No one is denying we need to add more depth at WR. We just don't need to compromise significant cap space or talent to do it. Obsessing over finding "stud receivers" is quick way to bury your franchise. Go ask Detroit or Oakland how that worked out for them.
Throwdown wrote:no body is on this Calais Campbell train with me huh?
ImTheScientist wrote:This guy is the closest thing to beast mode we will ever see. You got a glimpse of that yesterday. He was instantly my favorite player when they signed him. Give the dude a chance and don't overreact or overthink preseason. Go Hawks. Lacy will rush for 1,100 and 10TDs. Bend the knee.
xCalibur wrote:therealjohncarlson wrote:Better chance of my ass spontaneously combusting tomorrow afternoon
lol...i second that.
kearly wrote:Honestly, if Fitzgerald was on the waiver wire I would not take him. Go to Spotrac and look at his cap hits for the next six or seven years. If we traded Flynn for Fitz, you might as well throw in Sherman and Earl, because we wouldn't have the money to extend them with that kind of contract on the books.
He also declined this year after putting up 1400 yards with the same QBs in 2011. Who's to say that decline isn't real?
AZ could end up releasing Fitz in a couple years. When that happens, I'd give him a reasonable contract. Until then, he's not worth it.
tacomahawk wrote:While I would love to have someone of Fitz's caliber, I do not want to make my enemy stronger. I also do not want to put Flynn in the same division with a possible chip on his shoulder that we would see twice a year.
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