12th Man or Twelves?

Scottemojo · Apr 30, 2014

I have noticed that the Seahawks refer to fans as Twelves a lot more than The 12th man anymore. Twelves has no copyright and no gender connotation. Is that the future label for the Seahawk fan base?

Attyla the Hawk · Apr 30, 2014

This has been going on for some time. Not sure if they are hoping to lessen the future impact of trademark violations. Obviously if you set a new alternative standard and are forced to stop using the 12th man publicly -- having an already familiar alternative would be good.

I heard somewhere that this is the last year of the deal for use of the 12th man for the team and that TA&M is looking for a bigger deal. Don't know if that is true but if so it could explain it's use.

Blitzer88 · Apr 30, 2014

Noticed that too, I like both.

MizzouHawkGal · Apr 30, 2014

Scottemojo":1pal8ncu said:
I have noticed that the Seahawks refer to fans as Twelves a lot more than The 12th man anymore. Twelves has no copyright and no gender connotation. Is that the future label for the Seahawk fan base?

I never thought of it that way but I do like the non-gender association and thought that was was why they've been using it because they understand that there are plenty of female Seahawk fans. It also has a 300 feel (catchy and easy to say).

-The Glove- · Apr 30, 2014

I notice a lot of the times 12's being the used by Seahawks fans while others say the 12th man. Is it just me?

Throwdown · Apr 30, 2014

I like 12's better, kinda rolls off my tongue more smoothly than 12th man.

Sac · Apr 30, 2014

Twelves are individuals, or a group. The 12th man is comprised of all the Twelves. I think.

pmedic920 · Apr 30, 2014

Anything that is a burr under the aggie's saddle is a good thing.
12th Man for me.

Scottemojo · Apr 30, 2014

Attyla the Hawk":vhr39n2v said:
This has been going on for some time. Not sure if they are hoping to lessen the future impact of trademark violations. Obviously if you set a new alternative standard and are forced to stop using the 12th man publicly -- having an already familiar alternative would be good.

I heard somewhere that this is the last year of the deal for use of the 12th man for the team and that TA&M is looking for a bigger deal. Don't know if that is true but if so it could explain it's use.

Exactly.
I think this a conscious corporate decision to distance themselves from what is going to be a big dollar demand from the Aggies.

However, no one can trademark the actual number. I'm not the most PC guy in the world, but I do like the fact that Twelves is gender neutral.

Hasselbeck · Apr 30, 2014

This is a good point.

*Goes to trademark 'Twelves' *

HawksSoc · Apr 30, 2014

MizzouHawkGal":3q0t5hr9 said:
Scottemojo":3q0t5hr9 said:

I have noticed that the Seahawks refer to fans as Twelves a lot more than The 12th man anymore. Twelves has no copyright and no gender connotation. Is that the future label for the Seahawk fan base?

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I never thought of it that way but I do like the non-gender association and thought that was was why they've been using it because they understand that there are plenty of female Seahawk fans. It also has a 300 feel (catchy and easy to say).

The 12th man may have a gender connotation but it makes sense to me. 11 men on the field, and the fan is the 12th, like an extra team member. Its not man because all fans are dudes, but because the first 11 are dudes I think.

tom sawyer · Apr 30, 2014

Whenever you hear the "team" refer to "us"

It always seems to be "THE 12TH MAN"

ZagHawk · Apr 30, 2014

I hope so. That way we can still show the number 12 and all that jazz, but we can hopefully put an end to this constant Texas A&M bull we have to deal with all the time. Then suddenly it's all about the twelves nationwide people keep talking about, and the Texas A&M 12th Man can just WISH they had the same following.

Hawkfan77 · Apr 30, 2014

12th man doesn't have a gender connotation either...

I think 12s is just a lazy way of saying 12th man

chawx · Apr 30, 2014

As long as we loose the "We Are 12" stuff, I'm good.

Subzero717 · Apr 30, 2014

tom sawyer":33zef1ad said:
Whenever you hear the "team" refer to "us"

It always seems to be "THE 12TH MAN"

Its actually been the reverse the last few seasons. I havent documented anything but we seem to get more 12's from the players. Pete still says 12th man.

ASuperForce · Apr 30, 2014

Calling the fans 12s is unique to Seahawks fans, as far as I can tell. The 12th Man is entirely generic and could honestly refer to any fanbase of a football team, no matter what aTm tries to claim.

It probably started because of twitter and the shorthand/laziness it encourages.

CurryStopstheRuns · Apr 30, 2014

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CurryStopstheRuns · Apr 30, 2014

chawx":33ixwcuq said:
As long as we loose the "We Are 12" stuff, I'm good.

That saying has already been loosed on the public.

Zebulon Dak · Apr 30, 2014

It's both. It's plural. Saying 12's is better than saying 12th Men.

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