Natethegreat wrote:Uncle Si wrote:IndyHawk wrote:Natethegreat wrote:Duke, UNC, and other notables also implicated. I think what they do is just blame the system. Claim everyone is doing it therefore no big punishments. Its the systems fault not the cheaters. Maybe I'm jaded but after seeing the way the NCAA goes hard after the little guys and just hammers them and then turns around and lets the big boys off with a slap on the wrist or even nothing at all as in the UNC scandal. its happened repeatedly over the years I expect nothing different here.
Duke?Notre Dame?
My goodness...
Never thought these two would be on any list..
Then you got Lonzo saying pay them..A free education that sets you for life is not enough?
I am disgusted.
No... its not enough.
This isnt greed by the players. This is greed by the institution. There is so much money being made, and thus on the line, that it actually makes sense to offer it to players as incentive.. and really makes sense the players expect that as part of the recruiting process.
Forcing these kids to go to college for a year instead of the NBA only makes it worse.
Punishing the schools is the wrong precedent as well... Big schools have been punished in the past. I dont think that's now going to make some sort of seismic shift in how college sports are managed.
This starts with the NCAA, not the schools. The system itself is meant to protect the business side, which includes paying players, relaxing (ignoring) academic standards, absolving staff and players from accountability for actions... and of late, sweeping horrific scandals under the rug.
You are exactly what I'm talking about. The system made me cheat. What the hell ever. 90 percent of the coaches are not paying players.
What I guess they just don't get it? If you ain't cheating you ain't trying? What utter hogwash. If the NCAA starts paying their players you think that, that solves this?
The players all of the sudden won't want that 100k payment cause now they are getting a stipend?
What nonsense.
Every professional league has rules for fair competition too. I suppose their set up for cheating as well.
Heck everyone is doing it we are just keeping up with joneses. I hear this BS every single time a big time program is implicated.
The problem is, I already see these BS excuses being thrown out there by the NCAA already. Ohhh boy we can't cover it up this time.
WE'LL IT'S A SYSTEM PROBLEM. THEY CAN'T STOP THEMSELVES FROM CHEATING. Its already being thrown our there by Emmert and others.
We can't have all our top dogs busted for cheating(which keeps them at the top) so we will blame the system. Start all over and do a better job of hiding it.
Again a stipend will not stop the players from wanting/taking 100k payments and everyone knows it. But it is a convenient way to sweep this under the rug and keep right on allowing major schools to majorly cheat.
what are you talking about?
The NCAA has been letting this go for decades. They have refused, ignored or just pretended to enforce farcical rules meant to protect a cash scheme.
Are you going to really try and tell me that the NCAA and the way its set up has not supported, created these "scandals?"
Do yo not see the hypocrisy in that, or that.. or how naive it is to suggest that by going after the top of the pyramid instead of the bottom you might actually see change that I think you want?
Or no.. just go after the schools... and the players... (90 percent aren't paying players? i think you'd be really surprised how many do, and how long its been going on) who have been trying to play under the same umbrella as the people who reap the benefits of all their labor.
No.. you are the person I'm talking about. This is the kind of naive rant that perpetuates the same cycle youre somehow ranting about...
This shit has been going on forever. The NCAA has busted dozens of top schools and top coaches.. which simply gives the mirage of doing something. Now that the FBI is involved (way to go federal government, go after people who arent actually breaking any laws) that's somehow going to change.
Give me a break..
College athletics is a cesspool of manipulation and exploitation... taking place at the learning institutions of this country.