Let Jonny Manzeil get all the hype, i'll take Marcus Mariota thank you.
Both on the road:
681 passing yards.
10 incompletions.
10 passing TDs.
0 interceptions.
151 rushing yards.
Future #1 overall pick in the NFL draft in my opinion.
JimmeeJack wrote:You have got to be kidding, right? #1 overall? He's a product of a GREAT system that Chip Kelly runs. His throwing mechanics are terrible. Put him in a "pro style" offense (as in, the NFL) & he's not going to be successful. With that being said, the kid fits Chip's offense PERFECT & is having a fantastic season. I'm not taking anything away from the season he's having, especially for a freshman-it's unreal for him to produce at the level he is for a RS frosh. But he is not a pro QB.
I"m not trying to be rude, I just completely disagree-you are a DUCK homer, right?
JimmeeJack wrote:Actually, I've seen all of the Ducks games except tonight's. Who has compared him and his "mechanics" to Andrew Luck? Do you honestly think his "mechanics" or "reads" are that of a pro QB-because if you're thinking he's going #1 in the draft, than you're saying he's going to be an above average NFL QB, right? Luck's arm is head & shoulders above Marcus. Let's be honest, his WR's are open because defense's HAVE to gamble & stack the box to attempt to stop Oregon's run game. You don't slow down their run game, you don't have a chance at beating them. Do you really think an NFL team is going to draft a guy #1 overall, into a "pro-style" offense, when that guy has run the offense that Chip Kelly runs? His offense is not run in the NFL. Luck ran a pro style offense, from a HC who than went to the pro's & proved that style of play works, in his FIRST year. His "reads" aren't difficult one's to make-you've watched Oregon's games. There are open WR's ALL over the field because teams sell out to stop their run. And I give him credit, he hits them. But its not as if he's making "difficult" reads like some of the good one's in the pro's make.
Look, I'm not trying to sell the kid short-I'm disputing that he's a "#1 overall draft pick"-in fact, I love the way the kid plays the game & he's a perfect fit for that style of play. I give Chip Kelly TONS of credit, & that is coming from a DAWG fan. He has found a niche in college football that nobody can compete with. And ya' know what, it's gonna get him a "natty" (as you Duck fans call it) this year-ND, KSU aren't going to beat them. But come on, you're being a little bit of a homer here.
JimmeeJack wrote:Chrome Seahawk-Darron Thomas definitely had some "mechanic issues"-I'll give you that....but no, I'm not remembering that......
Somebody on this site was stating that Darron Thomas was shooting up the draft boards last year-don't know if it was JSeahawks, but it was quite amusing. No way anybody was going to touch that guy on the first day of the draft; however, he was a great QB for Chip's system.
JimmeeJack wrote:
And for the record, I'm not sold on Barkley-I think he's surrounded by FANTASTIC WR's & talent on offense. I think he's another Sanchez, maybe a Palmer-but not somebody I'd build my franchise around. I just don't like his body language. He seems like a whiner, & to me, at QB, that's not what I want.
JimmeeJack wrote:None of those guys ran an offense that is like Oregon's-that's my point-nobody does. And an NFL GM isn't going to risk their job on making that pick. Oregon plays SO fast that D's can't keep up. Yes, those guys played in "spread" offense's, but they weren't on the same page as Oregon-Oregon is efficient because of the speed & tempo that they play at. Newton has been a bust up to this point (mostly because he is a head case), Bradford has been a bust for a #1 overall pick (Oklahoma's offense was NOTHING like Oregon's) & RG3 is in his first year-RG3 is the closest thing to someone running an offense similar to Oregon's, but you can't compare Baylor's offense to Oregon's because they don't run the no huddle anywhere near what the Quacks do.
And for the record, I'm not sold on Barkley-I think he's surrounded by FANTASTIC WR's & talent on offense. I think he's another Sanchez, maybe a Palmer-but not somebody I'd build my franchise around. I just don't like his body language. He seems like a whiner, & to me, at QB, that's not what I want. And I'll give your Ducks QB that-he is a very poised young man & handles himself quite well.
JimmeeJack wrote:I'm going to bed too, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Chip in the league next year-and ya' know what, he'll run "parts" of Oregon's offense, but I think he's smart enough to not run it all the time-and ya' know what, he'll probably be successful. He's a genius when it comes to football-probably one of the greatest offensive minds to come along in college football history. They have changed, not only the game, but the way other teams play, recruit & coach.
BTW, I hate the DUCKS-did I mention that already? Have a good night, hopefully you take all of this as a couple of dudes talkin' sports. It's nothing personal & I respect your opinions as I have been a long time reader of this site. You're a knowledgeable fan & I give you props for that.
kearly wrote: The good news is that Mariota still has a lot of time to improve himself. If he can build up to 225 pounds and polish his footwork, I see no reason why he couldn't work himself into a future 1st round conversation. That is of course assuming that the whole Chip Kelly system QB label doesn't rear it's ugly head like it did for Thomas. No disrespect to Thomas or Mariota, but there probably isn't an easier system in college football than what Oregon has. Both in terms of being simplified and having a strong supporting cast.
cesame wrote:He's easily the best QB has had since Dennis Dixon, and he's probably better than Dixon as well, and that's comparing a 1st year starter in Mariota to a Dixon in his senior year.
zifnab32 wrote:cesame wrote:He's easily the best QB has had since Dennis Dixon, and he's probably better than Dixon as well, and that's comparing a 1st year starter in Mariota to a Dixon in his senior year.
And Dixon was a 5th round pick who has played in a grand total of 3 NFL games. Oregon's system is great for the college game, but who was the last Oregon QB to have NFL success? Joey Harrington (using a very loose definition of the word 'success')?
zifnab32 wrote:cesame wrote:He's easily the best QB has had since Dennis Dixon, and he's probably better than Dixon as well, and that's comparing a 1st year starter in Mariota to a Dixon in his senior year.
And Dixon was a 5th round pick who has played in a grand total of 3 NFL games. Oregon's system is great for the college game, but who was the last Oregon QB to have NFL success? Joey Harrington (using a very loose definition of the word 'success')?
HawkHouse wrote:zifnab32 wrote:cesame wrote:He's easily the best QB has had since Dennis Dixon, and he's probably better than Dixon as well, and that's comparing a 1st year starter in Mariota to a Dixon in his senior year.
And Dixon was a 5th round pick who has played in a grand total of 3 NFL games. Oregon's system is great for the college game, but who was the last Oregon QB to have NFL success? Joey Harrington (using a very loose definition of the word 'success')?
Joey was a victim of Owner / GM / Coaches all being on different pages and basically pissing on each other and not even calling it rain ...
As far as other Duck QB's who have gone pro and had 'success' ...
Bob Berry
Chris Miller
Kellen Clemens
A.J. Feeley
Dan Fouts
Akili Smith
Norm Van Brocklin
Varying degrees of 'success' with each of the above alumni ...
Mariota is 'The Truth' and any of you guys who dispute that are simply in denial, IMO. He has shown a tremendous level of poise for a Freshman ...
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