Wilson,Luck,Rg3
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Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:57 pm
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Who would you take if you knew what you know now? We always hear about the other two I dont think they give this man enough credit. I was jumping for joy the day we drafted him. I would still go with Wilson what about you?The office of Thomas and Chancellor specializing in Defense.
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:58 pm
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Especially considering we stole him in the third round. I think he has the biggest upside outside RG3.
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:03 pm
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Can't go wrong with any of those picks. They're all playing outstanding football. That said, I'd still take Wilson and be perfectly happy with it. And if you factor in the cost - i.e., draft position/picks given up for the player - it's Wilson in a landslide."The ultimate number is W's, and that’s what matters in Santa Clara. As such, Jed York does not own the 49ers; Russell Wilson does." - Paul Gutierrez
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:08 pm
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Seahawk Sailor wrote:Can't go wrong with any of those picks. They're all playing outstanding football. That said, I'd still take Wilson and be perfectly happy with it. And if you factor in the cost - i.e., draft position/picks given up for the player - it's Wilson in a landslide.
We as Hawk fans have been waiting a long long time for a guy like this. Love his game.Last edited by thegreeninyoureye on Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:23 pm, edited 1 time in total.The office of Thomas and Chancellor specializing in Defense.-
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:17 pm
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Just filed under NO SHITThere's what I used to know, what I think I know, and what I know I know. And they all get lost in the haze sometimes.
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:19 pm
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Seriously though, name one thing those other two QB's do better than Wilson? Other than being tall."...and now they got a bicycle!"
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:22 pm
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I LOVE Wilson, but what the other two are doing is absolutely ridiculous. I think we'd be about 10-2 with either one of them. Have you watched any of them play? RGIII on Thanksgiving? My goodness. Wow.I'm fly
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:23 pm
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You could win a lot of games with all three of them but I am thankful we have Wilson. I really, really am.
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:30 pm
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Tical21 wrote:I LOVE Wilson, but what the other two are doing is absolutely ridiculous. I think we'd be about 10-2 with either one of them. Have you watched any of them play? RGIII on Thanksgiving? My goodness. Wow.
Yeah I have watch them all play alot still doesnt change my mind tho. I dont know if Rg3 can hold up dudes a string bean. He is good tho but I dont think he is miles above Luck or Wilson like a lot of people say that he is.The office of Thomas and Chancellor specializing in Defense.-
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:31 pm
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All 3 are great but RW is magic.Wolf grey all day every day.
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:34 pm
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I don't understand how anyone considers Luck better than Wilson at this point. The Colts weren't THAT bad last year.
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:35 pm
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Russell Wilson led TWO game winning drives today. It's not his fault the defense shit the bed.
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:05 pm
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I would take Wilson in a heart beat. I wasn't sure when we drafted him, I thought awesome, he'll be a back-up until Flynn leaves or until we trade him for draft picks. When Carroll opened up competition, I thought that was Carroll being Carroll and doing his whole comPete thing, I never thought Wilson had a shot. Watching him in pre-season, I liked what I saw and quickly admitted he could take the starting job, but didn't think he actually would. When he was goven the starting job, I thought great, another year of struggling to win games and another year of missing the playoffs. I have been surprised. I LOVE with a capital LOVE this kid. He is the future here. This offense with anyone else as quarterback just would seem odd.
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:12 pm
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If this was privileged knowledge, I would take Luck in the first, then Wilson in the second and have a quarterback controversy.
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:14 pm
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well lets see who gets a ring first that should end it
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:00 pm
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Tical21 wrote:I LOVE Wilson, but what the other two are doing is absolutely ridiculous. I think we'd be about 10-2 with either one of them. Have you watched any of them play? RGIII on Thanksgiving? My goodness. Wow.
Meh. Turn on the TV and watch how great Nick Foles looks against Dallas right now. RGIII won't hold up and can't will his teams to wins like Russ...and Luck needs 1000 attempts a game to look decent.
10-2 is a stretch pal. I'd say our record would be worse with those other two.-
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:25 pm
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I think all have shown very capable QB skills. All have had signature wins and have shown the ability to lead a team in hostile environments. All that said, I take Luck. I like to have players who fit the physical measurements (Lofa was great, but his size cost him an extended career). Having a good football IQ is also part of the makeup, we all remember Aaron Curry.
It seems this will be an ongoing theme as long as these 3 are starting in the NFL. No one will remember when it is all said and done.Leon Washington 2010-2012 Red Bryant 2008-2013 Golden Tate 2010-2013 Breno Giacomini 2011-2013 - Gone but not forgotten.
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:29 pm
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Wilson hands down, his TD/int ratio is better than either Luck or RG3's also.
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:31 pm
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I voted for Luck. He's really overachieved but the team has had a lot of reasons to do so. I'd expect a sophomore slump from him just because of the personnel around him. RW has the benefit of a punishing runner and an equally punishing defense. Even though they gave up some passes to BM (remember his 20 catch performance back in Denver?? - He's really good) - they hit the snot out of some players and knocked them silly. If we had Luck, we'd nurture him the same as RW. All things being equal, I'd take Luck, but closely followed (microhairs) by RW.
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:49 pm
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I don't know about 10-2 with those other two. I very much doubt that. But I can say that of the top 40 ESPN QBR performances this year, only FOUR resulted in losses and TWO of them were Russell Wilson. So, Russell Wilson should probably be sitting on 9-3 right now. Moreover, last I heard, Football Outsiders had Indy's offensive line and receivers as better than Seattle's, so the claim that Luck is doing it all on his own is arguable. Frankly, I don't buy for a single second that Wilson couldn't do the same things Luck is doing if he were in that situation and throwing the ball 50 times a game, too. Actually, I think he'd do better. Objective pre-draft analysis suggested he could be better. Someone posted this in another thread. It's mind-blowing. Check the rationalizations for why that evidence should be ignored:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-dr ... ecast-2012
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:51 pm
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AF_Hawk wrote:I don't understand how anyone considers Luck better than Wilson at this point. The Colts weren't THAT bad last year.
They were 2-14.
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:01 pm
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chawx wrote:Meh. Turn on the TV and watch how great Nick Foles looks against Dallas right now. RGIII won't hold up and can't will his teams to wins like Russ...and Luck needs 1000 attempts a game to look decent.
1.) It's clear as day Nick Foles is WAY WAY behind Luck, RG3 and Wilson.. and really he's way behind Weeden and Tannehill too. So when it comes to third round QB's.. JS and PC definitely picked the right guy
2.) RG3 has been fine since his minor concussion. He doesn't play as reckless as Vick, he's much smarter than him.
3.) at the Luck statement. Such a ridiculous statement. Wilson (Seahawks 8th overall rushing) and RG3 (Redskins 1st overall rushing) have a vastly superior running game at their disposal compared to Luck (Colts 17th overall rushing). So of course Luck is going to throw it more. Way to focus on his completion percentage today though.
Look.. Wilson is really becoming a good QB. Today was his best game to date for a whole number of reasons. But trying to diminish Luck and RG3 is hilarious - all three of them are having great years.February 2, 2014... the day the dream was finally realized-
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:24 pm
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Hasselbeck wrote:chawx wrote:Meh. Turn on the TV and watch how great Nick Foles looks against Dallas right now. RGIII won't hold up and can't will his teams to wins like Russ...and Luck needs 1000 attempts a game to look decent.3.) at the Luck statement. Such a ridiculous statement. Wilson (Seahawks 8th overall rushing) and RG3 (Redskins 1st overall rushing) have a vastly superior running game at their disposal compared to Luck (Colts 17th overall rushing). So of course Luck is going to throw it more. Way to focus on his completion percentage today though. all you want...but Luck throws far too many INTs for my taste. And you can look at that Colts 17th ranked rush O as a result of the fact that they're mainly calling plays for Luck to throw all the time. Cause and Effect.
Now, given the fact Luck was the 1st pick, RGIII was the 2nd pick, and Wilson was the #75th pick... We got MUCH more value and bang for the buck, and more $ left to spend improving our team in other areas. I take Wilson 99.999 times out of a 100 over both.
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:49 pm
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This was a poll on ESPN this week:
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:53 pm
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253hawk wrote:This was a poll on ESPN this week:
WOW! Can't believe that poll.Colin Kaepernick wrote:I think our efficiency in the huddle was more of a factor than the crowd.-
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:00 pm
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C-Dub wrote:253hawk wrote:This was a poll on ESPN this week:
WOW! Can't believe that poll.
That's because the poll was taken in Dallas, TX!
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:10 pm
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SacHawk2.0 wrote:Seriously though, name one thing those other two QB's do better than Wilson? Other than being tall.
Luck grow better neckbeard than anybody 'cept the Amish...
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:18 pm
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When Luck can play all the first 3 quarters like he does the last quarter....he will be incredibly scary.
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Mon Nov 11, 2013 9:06 am
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suppaball wrote:Wilson hands down, his TD/int ratio is better than either Luck or RG3's also.
His TD/INT, His Completion %, His overall QB rating, and finally he has more wins than either of those two.
And Luck just got destroyed by STL.- jlwaters1
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Mon Nov 11, 2013 9:20 am
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I just reviewed ESPN's season projections based on games to date.
Luck
3,908 yds 58.8% 25/11 TD/Int 7.07 YPA 87.5 QB Rating
RG3
4,456 yds 60.6% 21/16 TD/Int 7.27 YPA 83.8 QB Rating
Wilson
3,411 yds 63.4% 27/10 TD/Int 8.30 YPA 101.8 QB Rating-
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Mon Nov 11, 2013 9:23 am
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Wilson in a pass first offense (and a line to protect) would quickly turn into Drew Brees with legs.
He takes over games like few can.I enjoy ruining threads by making them about personal attacks and then commenting about how personal attacks make the other person's argument invalid.
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:42 pm
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Nick Foles sure is surprising me with his play. I guess Andy Reid didn't do too bad in picking him last year. I think he should remain the Eagles starter but maybe it is just a small sample size?Leon Washington 2010-2012 Red Bryant 2008-2013 Golden Tate 2010-2013 Breno Giacomini 2011-2013 - Gone but not forgotten.
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:55 pm
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I'll take Luck just ahead of Wilson but would be happy with either. RGIII is injury prone.
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:57 pm
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MANUNITED23 wrote:I'll take Luck just ahead of Wilson...
Wrong answer.
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:59 pm
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I've said it before and I'll say it again.... Neckbeard's got nothing on Russell Wilson. #NoTime2Sleep #GoHawks #BVD
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:05 pm
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So far, to me, Luck is a lot of hype. The kid is good... but our bot Russ has had better stats during their careers and as far as I can see, is the better leader.I still get chills when I watch the Beastquake run. "Are you kidding me?!!!"
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:08 pm
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Luck assaulted an innocent Gatorade cooler during a temper tantrum on the sideline yesterday.
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:20 pm
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I would take either one, but Wilson is amazing all around. He really doesn't allow the size thing to stop him. His work ethic is unmatched and he doesn't habitually do anything wrong.
The kid was something like 9-12 for 160 or something with the blitz on. That is flat out amazing with the OLine. Luck might be as smart, but not as elusive. I don't think RG3 is even that elusive. Nobody has the combo of skills that RW has. I would take Wilson in any offense.The only concern I have and I mean only is that Bevell will get cute and pass even though Lynch is gaining yardage. 1/30/2015 - loaf-
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Re: Wilson,Luck,Rg3
Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:24 pm
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Luck barely eeked out the come from behind win against us on his home field, while RW was being hurried and pummeled all day with 3 ol starters out. I'm just not that impressed with Luck. Considering what RW has done, while being the most hurried qb in the league, is amazing. File this in the earth to Captain Obvious category all day long."Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not." - Yoda
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