Barnwell predicts next 10 HoF classes

[flv2]

Eli was absolutely phenomenal in those two playoff runs. I'm not saying he should definitely get in because the vast majority of his resume is average at best, but I wouldnt say he was carried by anyone.

You nailed it!

 

[SuperSonic67]

That win against the Pats and Brady will carry a lot of weight for Manning…arguably one of the best Teams ever, and undefeated going into that Super Bowl

 

[Rat]

Not that the PFR HOF monitor is the be all, end all for this, but here's where they stand for those interested.

Pro Football QB Hall of Fame Monitor | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Pro Football QB Hall of Fame Monitor

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Russ: 88.37
Average HOF QB: 108
Interestingly enough, the next two QBs listed after Russ are Eli Manning and Ken Anderson. Some of the HOF QBs he's ahead of include Sonny Jurgensen and Warren Moon. Every QB listed ahead of Russ right now is either in the Hall or isn't yet eligible (Matt Ryan, Rivers, Roethlisberger, etc).

Marshawn Lynch: 69.14
Average HOF RB: 107
While that looks bad, the only HOF-eligible RB ahead of Lynch that isn't in is Roger Craig. Only three HOF RBs with a lower number than Marshawn though (Paul Hornung - 68.63, Larry Csonka - 52.65, Floyd Little - 40.25). He's ahead of Shaun Alexander (62.38), who is listed directly after Ricky Watters and Darren Sproles.

Bobby Wagner: 108.53
Average HOF ILB: 106
He's in. While it's nice to see him listed 8th all-time, I'm surprised that he's listed behind Luke Keuchly (118.45) and Zach Thomas (110.30).

Richard Sherman: 83.13
Earl Thomas: 78.53
Kam Chancellor: 32.33
Average HOF DB: 98

All three should get a bump for LOB legacy. There are no HOF-eligible DBs ahead of Sherman. I was suprised to see him ahead of Darrell Green. The only ones ahead of Earl are Dave Grayson and Lester Hayes. Obviously, they don't like Kam's chances.

 

[flv2]

Not that the PFR HOF monitor is the be all, end all for this, but here's where they stand for those interested.

Pro Football QB Hall of Fame Monitor | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Pro Football QB Hall of Fame Monitor

www.pro-football-reference.com

Russ: 88.37
Average HOF QB: 108
Interestingly enough, the next two QBs listed after Russ are Eli Manning and Ken Anderson. Some of the HOF QBs he's ahead of include Sonny Jurgensen and Warren Moon. Every QB listed ahead of Russ right now is either in the Hall or isn't yet eligible (Matt Ryan, Rivers, Roethlisberger, etc).

Marshawn Lynch: 69.14
Average HOF RB: 107
While that looks bad, the only HOF-eligible RB ahead of Lynch that isn't in is Roger Craig. Only three HOF RBs with a lower number than Marshawn though (Paul Hornung - 68.63, Larry Csonka - 52.65, Floyd Little - 40.25). He's ahead of Shaun Alexander (62.38), who is listed directly after Ricky Watters and Darren Sproles.

Bobby Wagner: 108.53
Average HOF ILB: 106
He's in. While it's nice to see him listed 8th all-time, I'm surprised that he's listed behind Luke Keuchly (118.45) and Zach Thomas (110.30).

Richard Sherman: 83.13
Earl Thomas: 78.53
Kam Chancellor: 32.33
Average HOF DB: 98

All three should get a bump for LOB legacy. There are no HOF-eligible DBs ahead of Sherman. I was suprised to see him ahead of Darrell Green. The only ones ahead of Earl are Dave Grayson and Lester Hayes. Obviously, they don't like Kam's chances.

I'm surprised they rate Matt Ryan so highly. In my opinion he's 'Hall of consistently good but not great for a very long time'.

 

[Rat]

I'm surprised they rate Matt Ryan so highly. In my opinion he's 'Hall of consistently good but not great for a very long time'.

I was surprised by that too. Even with the league MVP and SB appearance, I would have Ryan considerably behind Roethlisberger. I'd probably have Rivers ahead of him too, although I at least see the argument there.

 

[kidhawk]

Hard to ignore Manning’s two rings.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Wagner is the only player from tbe OP to make it in. Everyone else had careers that were too short.

Two rings would have made a huge difference for all of them. A three peat would have made them a shoe in.

I agree that a lot of their careers are too short but I really think some deserve it due to being truly generational type talent. Especially Kam. He played safety like nobody else. The man was truly a rare gift to the game.

 

[pmedic920]

I agree that a lot of their careers are too short but I really think some deserve it due to being truly generational type talent. Especially Kam. He played safety like nobody else. The man was truly a rare gift to the game.

I wish we had a “hall” that was voted on by ONLY players instead of pundits etc.
IMO this would fix the who gets in and who doesn’t conundrum.

 

[RiverDog]

Wilson has 9 ProBowl appearances. With 2 or 3 exceptions every player with 8 or more ProBowls has gotten in. 5 ProBowls and 2 All-pros is borderline. It's a bit different for QBs because a higher percentage of starters get voted to ProBowls. For reference Rivers has 8, Ryan and E. Manning each have 4. Heck, Andy Dalton has 3 and no-one thinks he's getting in. I'm not saying E. Manning won't get in, maybe even 1st time eligible, but it's debatable.

Yeah, but Russell has been named an All Pro just once, and that was as a 2nd stringer. He hasn't even garnered a single vote for league MVP, which has been dominated by quarterbacks. And his stock has taken a huge hit in these last few years.

I wouldn't use Pro Bowls as a lone criterion. I haven't followed the selection process for several years, but there were multiple times when the best player was on a SB team and didn't participate or opted out. The current criterion for quarterbacks seems to include league MVP, SB MVP, multiple rings, statistical leader. Otherwise, it's a tough road.

 

[Rat]

I wish we had a “hall” that was voted on by ONLY players instead of pundits etc.
IMO this would fix the who gets in and who doesn’t conundrum.

Players are very biased too. I don't think there's a perfect solution.

 

[JPatera76]

Not that the PFR HOF monitor is the be all, end all for this, but here's where they stand for those interested.

Pro Football QB Hall of Fame Monitor | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Pro Football QB Hall of Fame Monitor

www.pro-football-reference.com

Russ: 88.37
Average HOF QB: 108
Interestingly enough, the next two QBs listed after Russ are Eli Manning and Ken Anderson. Some of the HOF QBs he's ahead of include Sonny Jurgensen and Warren Moon. Every QB listed ahead of Russ right now is either in the Hall or isn't yet eligible (Matt Ryan, Rivers, Roethlisberger, etc).

Marshawn Lynch: 69.14
Average HOF RB: 107
While that looks bad, the only HOF-eligible RB ahead of Lynch that isn't in is Roger Craig. Only three HOF RBs with a lower number than Marshawn though (Paul Hornung - 68.63, Larry Csonka - 52.65, Floyd Little - 40.25). He's ahead of Shaun Alexander (62.38), who is listed directly after Ricky Watters and Darren Sproles.

Bobby Wagner: 108.53
Average HOF ILB: 106
He's in. While it's nice to see him listed 8th all-time, I'm surprised that he's listed behind Luke Keuchly (118.45) and Zach Thomas (110.30).

Richard Sherman: 83.13
Earl Thomas: 78.53
Kam Chancellor: 32.33
Average HOF DB: 98

All three should get a bump for LOB legacy. There are no HOF-eligible DBs ahead of Sherman. I was suprised to see him ahead of Darrell Green. The only ones ahead of Earl are Dave Grayson and Lester Hayes. Obviously, they don't like Kam's chances.

Hmm... I'm baffled on Bobby being listed behind Luke. I'm not knocking Luke but.. Bobby always led him in I'm pretty sure all categories, and Luke's career nowhere near as long as Bobby's... So Bobby should be higher than both. I remember numerous years there would always show comparisons and Bobby was always ahead, not by much but nonetheless ahead.