Four picks one OL selected

[pittpnthrs]

We have entrenched starters at both tackle spots and multiple players to compete at all IOL spots.

They got a guy they see as a future stalwart on the interior. Drafting another OL doesn't do much unless you're looking for depth.

Desperate need-drafting sucks.

They had multiple players to compete at the IOL spots last year too and how did that work out?

Speaking of desperation drafting,,,,a TE that barely played due to always being hurt and a QB that is more Justin Fields than Lamar Jackson.

The last two takes were a complete waste so yeah, I would have preferred they spent those picks on OL if that's all they were going to do with them.

 

[Maelstrom787]

They had multiple players to compete at the IOL spots last year too and how did that work out?

Speaking of desperation drafting,,,,a TE that barely played due to always being hurt and a QB that is more Justin Fields than Lamar Jackson.

The last two takes were a complete waste so yeah, I would have preferred they spent those picks on OL if that's all they were going to do with them.

...how is that "desperation drafting?"

There's absolutely zero desperation there. They took a guy they wanted to fill a future hole when Fant moves on in an offense that lives in 2 TE sets.

Same for QB. Drafting developmental prospects for the future.

Desperation drafting would be taking a guy at 18 and continuing to draft the spot just because fans have their panties in a twist and don't like thinking about how big of a role coaching plays a role in roster performance. Creating a stupid logjam at the spot with midround rookies solves precisely zero problems.

 

[pittpnthrs]

...how is that "desperation drafting?"

There's absolutely zero desperation there. They took a guy they wanted to fill a future hole when Fant moves on in an offense that lives in 2 TE sets.

Same for QB. Drafting developmental prospects for the future.

Desperation drafting would be taking a guy at 18 and continuing to draft the spot just because fans have their panties in a twist and don't like thinking about how big of a role coaching plays a role in roster performance. Creating a stupid logjam at the spot with midround rookies solves precisely zero problems.

It's 'desperation' because they are hoping and praying that Arroyo can stay healthy enough to even play (he wont) and they wasted a pick on a trick play QB that can't throw a rock in the ocean when it comes to the passing game. "Desperation" may not be the correct word for this case, but expecting any kind of production from either of those players is reaching.

When everybody is crying next season because the team still has the same issues, picks like these don't help.

 

[toffee]

May not need much fixing? I'm pretty sure that over the last 15 years we are dead last in the NFL for OL, and the same guy has been running those drafts all those years.
Everything about the last 15 years points towards our current crop being crap just like the previous 15 years. The same process has produced the same results for over a decade. There is absolutely no reason to be optimistic about any of our OL draft picks other than Zabel.

Three reasons:

Russell Wilson, he holds the ball too long.
Geno Smith, remember he's a geNO?
Pete Carroll

There.

 

[cymatica]

Assuming scheme and coaching will fix something automatically before it has even happens is just as lazy a narrative.

If I made that claim without any consideration of who they replaced, then sure.

Huff was a college Oline coach who's a TE coach on the Rams now and Grubb called a predictable college offense that ignored the run game which only made it easy on d-lines to scheme against.

If you don't think the new coaches and scheme are going to improve the existing Oline players then you're just not paying attention

 

[Shane Falco]

If I made that claim without any consideration of who they replaced, then sure.

Huff was a college Oline coach who's a TE coach on the Rams now and Grubb called a predictable college offense that ignored the run game which only made it easy on d-lines to scheme against.

If you don't think the new coaches and scheme are going to improve the existing Oline players then you're just not paying attention

Well it feels like you're assuming that anyone that doesn't feel great about where our oline is at hasn't factored in coaching / scheme changes as well.

Everybody here knows the story. How could we not. I'm hoping better coaching and scheming is going to help a lot but too but I feel some people here exaggerate the extent of how much it's going to improve the oline. Nobody knows how drastically its going to help. People were saying the same thing, and that we were fine with what we got and the young guys are going to only get better and so on and on before the draft. Then the team went and drafted a top ranked IOL, so was everything hunky dory?

 

[hox]

I hope they are right about Olu and Sundell.

JS hasn't had a good track record when it comes to Centers. Trading Unger, whiffing on every center since, passing on Humphrey, and now passing on the top rated center in this draft.

So I don't trust John on centers at all. If Olu doesn't step up big time this season, it's more bad track record for JS.

People think Kubiak and Benton will drastically improve the o-line, but if that were the case, why did the Saints offense suck after their o-line got injured? Because these coaches are not miracle workers. They can only do so much with the talent they are given.

 

[Seahawker]

Last chance for IOL at #166.
OG Miles Frazier, if he's there.

 

[cymatica]

Well it feels like you're assuming that anyone that doesn't feel great about where our oline is at hasn't factored in coaching / scheme changes as well.

Most the comments from people freaking out about the oline sure seem like they aren't factoring it in

Everybody here knows the story. How could we not. I'm hoping better coaching and scheming is going to help a lot but too but I feel some people here exaggerate the extent of how much it's going to improve the oline.

I don't think it's an exaggeration. Grubb and Huff were that bad for the oline. Defenses were teeing off not having to worry about the run and Huff is a TE coach now

Nobody knows how drastically its going to help. People were saying the same thing, and that we were fine with what we got and the young guys are going to only get better and so on and on before the draft. Then the team went and drafted a top ranked IOL, so was everything hunky dory?

Is this supposed to be some sort of gotcha? The oline can improve significantly and it can also be the right choice to draft a top ranked IOL. Both things can be true

 

[Shane Falco]

No, no gotcha. Just saying that so many people have been pointing out the coaching / scheme change and the comments made by the team about liking who we had meant that we were fine and that people were worrying about the state of the oline had no reason to. The team isn't going to draft an IOL in the 1st round if we still didn't need help there.

I'm pretty sure fans know how bad Grubb was, we all witnessed it. Let's just hope were making a big jump for the better, nothing I want more. We'll see if we will be hindered by our oline soon enough.

 

[themunn]

Yes I am truly astounded that they have picked only 1 OL with their first 4 picks and wasted picks at safety, DL, TE and QB where we have no issues

 

[SeaWolv]

Quantity isn't going to move needle at this point.

Adding another guard that is on the level of Haynes/Bradford isn't the answer. Which is why JS took a roll of the dice with Zabel who should be a step above the common third and fourth round guards that JS normally drafts which makes Zabel a quality selection.

Normally you would think so but finding undervalued talent that might be better than Haynes, Bradford or Laumea in rounds 4 and 5 can happen.

 

[Scout]

Normally you would think so but finding undervalued talent that might be better than Haynes, Bradford or Laumea in rounds 4 and 5 can happen.

IF the Seahawks had established OL starters you can roll the dice a bit like the Eagles do. But since that isn't the case that is why JS committed a high draft selection to land Zabel.

 

[cymatica]

No, no gotcha. Just saying that so many people have been pointing out the coaching / scheme change and the comments made by the team about liking who we had meant that we were fine and that people were worrying about the state of the oline had no reason to. The team isn't going to draft an IOL in the 1st round if we still didn't need help there.

I'm pretty sure fans know how bad Grubb was, we all witnessed it. Let's just hope were making a big jump for the better, nothing I want more. We'll see if we will be hindered by our oline soon enough.

I didn't see anyone saying we were fine and not going for an early Oline pick. I saw a lot of people freaking out over not signing FA players which was then met with responses about new coaching/scheme, but I'm pretty sure everyone knew oline was still a priority in the draft.

Huff and Grubb were a horrible combination that made the oline look worse than it was.

 

[Hollandhawk]

It's 'desperation' because they are hoping and praying that Arroyo can stay healthy enough to even play (he wont) and they wasted a pick on a trick play QB that can't throw a rock in the ocean when it comes to the passing game. "Desperation" may not be the correct word for this case, but expecting any kind of production from either of those players is reaching.

When everybody is crying next season because the team still has the same issues, picks like these don't help.

We should draft players that never get hurt in college! Like Rashaad Penny.

 

[pittpnthrs]

We should draft players that never get hurt in college! Like Rashaad Penny.

Nah. Let’s keep taking players that miss chunks of multiple seasons due to a knee injury. I’m sure the nagging injuries are behind him.

 

[Atradees]

I dunno. We drafted Cross, Lucas And olu. Add one Zabel. Sounds good to me. I would like a proven veteran that isnt super old or crazy expensive. We have to get lucky at least one time. This offense all new. Completely different. We will see.

 

[Scout]

So JS triple dipped at the position in the draft and there is a scheme change. And you still have the players from last year in the mix like Bradford, Haynes, Olu, and Laumea. I think that is attacking the position very aggressively. But the lynchpin of this plan is Zabel as he learns the NFL game he should establish himself as an anchor. At that point having Haynes or Bradford at RG isn't the end of the world. And the same with Olu at center so that is why it is important to have at least ONE player on the interior as the glue or anchor guy because it makes it easier for the tackles too.

 

[cymatica]

Yes I am truly astounded that they have picked only 1 OL with their first 4 picks and wasted picks at safety, DL, TE and QB where we have no issues

You think Emmanwori is a wasted pick?

 

[sutz]

You know, players that have suffered injuries in college and worked through the process of healing and rehab have shown a bit of grit, determination, and discipline to get back on the field. Not all players/people can do that.