Geno running the ball after pass to DK(little time left)

[Maelstrom787]

Pete was sticking up for Geno and there is a reason when this situation comes up teams look to pass there 99 out of a hundred times

You claim everyone who disagrees with you on Wilson and/or Geno are biased and ignore things because of it. You seem to do why’s same thing when any criticism is leveled at Geno…..he can do no wrong,

He's absolutely right, though. Pete is absolutely correct if you look closer at that defensive alignment and how the play developed. If not for a blown block on the second level, that's an 8 or 9 yard gain and we're 7-3. It wouldn't have even been a hard block. It was just a total error.

 

[Ozzy]

He's absolutely right, though. Pete is absolutely correct if you look closer at that defensive alignment and how the play developed. If not for a blown block on the second level, that's an 8 or 9 yard gain and we're 7-3. It wouldn't have even been a hard block. It was just a total error.

I get that but you still lose the chance to take two cracks at it and the ability to control the clock. Again it wasn’t the worst mistake of the game and like I said earlier it was minor but almost everyone would just throw it there. You guaranteed you were running one play and then kicking limiting yourself.

 

[Maelstrom787]

I get that but you still lose the chance to take two cracks at it and the ability to control the clock. Again it wasn’t the worst mistake of the game and like I said earlier it was minor but almost everyone would just throw it there. You guaranteed you were running one play and then kicking limiting yourself.

I don't know if I really want two shots at boundary routes with corners shading the sidelines after Geno's earlier boundary throws in the drive. I'd have to assume they were basically off the table. We only got there when we took what they were giving us and stopped trying to force the boundary, so I really think we only had one play anyway.

 

[Ozzy]

I don't know if I really want two shots at boundary routes with corners shading the sidelines after Geno's earlier boundary throws in the drive. I'd have to assume they were basically off the table. We only got there when we took what they were giving us and stopped trying to force the boundary, so I really think we only had one play anyway.

Well a pass still gives you a better chance at more yards and you really ideally want 10 yards there or more if possible. But it’s subjective I guess. I think there is a reason most pass there but it’s not concrete I guess. Just feels like they handcuffed themselves for no reason.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Well a pass still gives you a better chance at more yards and you really ideally want 10 yards there or more if possible. But it’s subjective I guess. I think there is a reason most pass there but it’s not concrete I guess. Just feels like they handcuffed themselves for no reason.

If Geno were healthy and they hadn't just tried several unsuccessful passes of the type that most would have wanted in that situation, I'd be more apt to agree here.

At least, I think that's how I remember it. A couple boundary attempts, and I remember the Fant attempt. Could be wrong. Haven't watched the full drive replay.

 

[Ozzy]

Again I can see the argument and it’s not without reason especially with the screen grabs so I’ll just agree to disagree overall on it

 

[knownone]

Pete was sticking up for Geno and there is a reason when this situation comes up teams look to pass there 99 out of a hundred times

You claim everyone who disagrees with you on Wilson and/or Geno are biased and ignore things because of it. You seem to do why’s same thing when any criticism is leveled at Geno…..he can do no wrong,

How do you know Pete was doing that? Because you made up a statistic? What about all of the people defending the play call? Are they sticking up for Geno?

That's not true. I asked if your bias influenced your perception of the Broncos' talent level because most of the Broncos' fans I know believe they are talented on offense. If you can provide another example than that, I'm happy to discuss it. But I've not claimed that anyone who disagrees with me is biased or ignores things. I make and attack arguments; I don't care if people disagree with me or hold opposing views.

 

[Ozzy]

How do you know Pete was doing that? Because you made up a statistic? What about all of the people defending the play call? Are they sticking up for Geno?

That's not true. I asked if your bias influenced your perception of the Broncos' talent level because most of the Broncos' fans I know believe they are talented on offense. If you can provide another example than that, I'm happy to discuss it. But I've not claimed that anyone who disagrees with me is biased or ignores things. I make and attack arguments; I don't care if people disagree with me or hold opposing views.

What statistic did I make up? Where are all these people defending the play call?

You did call people biased and more than once you claimed people citing stats were biased because they didn’t include every single stat and then you cherry picked a couple of stats to do the exact same thing in presenting your argument.

But I’ll add yeah, Seattle has more offensive talent than the Broncos. Would you trade Juedy and Sutton for DK, Lockett, JSN and Bobo? You trading Williams and Perine for Walker and Charbs? Our tight end group for theirs? Maybe I’m crazy but I’m not

 

[knownone]

What statistic did I make up? Where are all these people defending the play call?

You did call people biased and more than once you claimed people citing stats were biased because they didn’t include every single stat and then you cherry picked a couple of stats to do the exact same thing in presenting your argument.

But I’ll add yeah, Seattle has more offensive talent than the Broncos. Would you trade Juedy and Sutton for DK, Lockett, JSN and Bobo? You trading Williams and Perine for Walker and Charbs? Our tight end group for theirs? Maybe I’m crazy but I’m not

A) Okay. Where does the bolded statistic come from? "Pete was sticking up for Geno and there is a reason when this situation comes up teams look to pass there 99 out of a hundred times."

B) I don't know what you are referencing. So please provide a specific concrete example so I can defend myself; otherwise, you're telling me what you think about what I did, not what I did.

Let me give you an example. Perhaps you could take the time to explain why, in this thread, you took a comment I made out of context, fabricated a reaction, attributed that reaction to me, and then called it "weird." Now, we have a concrete example to substantiate and defend a claim.

C) Read that thread. I agree that Seattle has more talent. I disagreed that the Broncos' talent level was much worse, which was the characterization I was arguing against. I provided stats, rankings, and career accolades in my argument. That's where bias, as a stated question, came into play. We're all biased, so I don't know why some people dislike the word. But I even acknowledged that it was a poor choice of words.

 

[Ozzy]

A) Okay. Where does the bolded statistic come from? "Pete was sticking up for Geno and there is a reason when this situation comes up teams look to pass there 99 out of a hundred times."

B) I don't know what you are referencing. So please provide a specific concrete example so I can defend myself; otherwise, you're telling me what you think about what I did, not what I did.

Let me give you an example. Perhaps you could take the time to explain why, in this thread, you took a comment I made out of context, fabricated a reaction, attributed that reaction to me, and then called it "weird." Now, we have a concrete example to substantiate and defend a claim.

C) Read that thread. I agree that Seattle has more talent. I disagreed that the Broncos' talent level was much worse, which was the characterization I was arguing against. I provided stats, rankings, and career accolades in my argument. That's where bias, as a stated question, came into play. We're all biased, so I don't know why some people dislike the word. But I even acknowledged that it was a poor choice of words.

Fair enough im tired of arguing over Geno, Russ and the whole thing. You think he’s good, I think he’s been struggling and we’re not going to change each others mind.

 

[m0ng0]

5-10 more yards may well have not mattered anyway.
The kick went sideways (wind?) I don't know but it was
not close in aim or distance.

Isn't it a dome? Or does the roof open?

 

[Shanegotyou11]

How in the world was it not a mistake? He had 20 seconds to get them closer. It absolutely was a mistake. Just because it's the almighty Geno Smith, doesn't change facts. He failed to do his job in that situation. Yes, he got them down there, but looked utterly confused and panicked when it came time to get them 5-10 more yards. I would like to think that people would expect more from the starting QB.

Because the people who are defending Geno disliked Russ. So now its the OC, HC for them and not the QB. When it was Russ, it was not the OC but the QB.

 

[Shanegotyou11]

He's absolutely right, though. Pete is absolutely correct if you look closer at that defensive alignment and how the play developed. If not for a blown block on the second level, that's an 8 or 9 yard gain and we're 7-3. It wouldn't have even been a hard block. It was just a total error.

Both can be correct.

A) the spike was right to call and they didnt.

B) The run was close to breaking wide open.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Both can be correct.

A) the spike was right to call and they didnt.

B) The run was close to breaking wide open.

The spike is the better process in a vacuum, but situationally against that look, eh

 

[knownone]

Fair enough im tired of arguing over Geno, Russ and the whole thing. You think he’s good, I think he’s been struggling and we’re not going to change each others mind.

That's fine. But why don't you address the issues highlighted in my post? The primary topic was not about Russ or Geno.

 

[Shanegotyou11]

The spike is the better process in a vacuum, but situationally against that look, eh

I liked when Russ and Pete hurried up vs Houston and won. I dont remember the time though. I do think it was going to be a pass instead of a run.

 

[Ozzy]

A) Okay. Where does the bolded statistic come from? "Pete was sticking up for Geno and there is a reason when this situation comes up teams look to pass there 99 out of a hundred times."

B) I don't know what you are referencing. So please provide a specific concrete example so I can defend myself; otherwise, you're telling me what you think about what I did, not what I did.

Let me give you an example. Perhaps you could take the time to explain why, in this thread, you took a comment I made out of context, fabricated a reaction, attributed that reaction to me, and then called it "weird." Now, we have a concrete example to substantiate and defend a claim.

C) Read that thread. I agree that Seattle has more talent. I disagreed that the Broncos' talent level was much worse, which was the characterization I was arguing against. I provided stats, rankings, and career accolades in my argument. That's where bias, as a stated question, came into play. We're all biased, so I don't know why some people dislike the word. But I even acknowledged that it was a poor choice of words.

Nah I’m good. You’re being obtuse just to argue. So let’s say for sake of argument you’re right(you’re not) that I took a comment out of context…your next comment gives it away “you fabricated”. It’s a message board people can misunderstand, misinterpret or whatever someone is trying to say. You give yourself that freedom yet call someone else a liar so I’m just not interested in keeping this up with you. We are talking about Russ and Geno so while you say we’re not you’re actively doing exactly that lol. I’m done with it. Move on

 

[Ozzy]

The spike is the better process in a vacuum, but situationally against that look, eh

This is at least a fair comment. I’ll concede that based on the look I least understand the thought process more. I’d still prefer anything but the run but it’s not egregious.

 

[IndyHawk]

Isn't it a dome? Or does the roof open?

Its open air with a roof ..Weird

 

[Ozzy]

Alright after a week of arguing this on here it was obvious a run was the wrong idea. Every football kind, ex player, coach etc have all said a run was probably the last choice their based on situation. Was it a back breaker? Probably not but a couple in here arguing it was the best choice are in the minority by far. Who cares at this point I guess? I just wanted to get that off my chest