FlyingGreg
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Bunch of grumpy britches!
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AgentDib":hmehqhol said:I have to agree with Scott that still frames are not persuasive on two counts.
1. No QB in the league keeps track of all of his receivers all of the time, instead they go through a series of progressions planned ahead of time. This would be extremely valuable if it was video showing the reads Wilson was making, what coverage he was looking at, and where he should have gone with the ball. Any decent analysis does just that. We have heard a few breakdowns where Wilson made the wrong read and so it is likely a real issue, but nothing in these stills is a smoking gun.
2. Every WR in the NFL will get open after a few seconds unless they completely give up on the play. The typical NFL pocket is supposed to last for just 2.5 seconds and what matters is whether the receiver is open in the single moment when the QB is looking his way.
bestfightstory":30necv9v said:Yet more evidence that nothing is ever Wilson's fault. The anti-T-Jack effect.
hawkblogger":1pb3aq65 said:Hey Folks,
I had one goal when I started the article: make up my own mind whether receivers are getting open or Wilson is suffering due to no options
I consciously decided not to insert my own analysis into each play. I encourage all of you that have access to NFL Rewind to go back and watch as many of these plays as you can by yourself, and make up your own mind. Those that believe the stills are out of context, may very well be surprised by what they see. I have a full-time job, so breaking down each play with multiple shots or video just was not feasible. The stills gave me the evidence I needed (after watching the film) to make up my mind.
When I hear people defending Wilson (or any player) by pointing the finger elsewhere, I always try to come to my own conclusion instead of accepting it blindly.
Thanks for reading. Truly appreciate it.
Go Hawks!
Brian
drdiags":3aqrv4u9 said:It doesn't pay well for sponsors I suppose but having one of those "Knox Talks Hawks" reviews of plays on an hour show would be worth gold to me. Knox drove me crazy with that damn clicker though.
hawkblogger":8csf8hjw said:Hey Folks,
I had one goal when I started the article: make up my own mind whether receivers are getting open or Wilson is suffering due to no options
I consciously decided not to insert my own analysis into each play. I encourage all of you that have access to NFL Rewind to go back and watch as many of these plays as you can by yourself, and make up your own mind. Those that believe the stills are out of context, may very well be surprised by what they see. I have a full-time job, so breaking down each play with multiple shots or video just was not feasible. The stills gave me the evidence I needed (after watching the film) to make up my mind.
When I hear people defending Wilson (or any player) by pointing the finger elsewhere, I always try to come to my own conclusion instead of accepting it blindly. If people have solid evidence that indicates the receivers are the major problem in the passing game, please let me know. I welcome alternative points of view, but prefer that they are backed up with evidence. It is easy to pick apart an argument, but much harder to build one.
Thanks for reading. Truly appreciate it.
Go Hawks!
Brian
Nah, Wilson is making a ton of mistakes. I am just saying that we could post still frame shots from every QB and say he misses open receivers. The Green Bay game, I saw a few posted after the game that showed Rodgers missing open guys. Still frames of all 22 have little context most of the time.bestfightstory":2gc1wpt0 said:Yet more evidence that nothing is ever Wilson's fault. The anti-T-Jack effect.
All due respect, but you don't necessarily know that. The pictures show good plays and some bad reads. Why shouldn't Miller not be accountable for that? I'm not one of the people shouting for his head, mind you.Scottemojo":2c9cym5a said:That might be the worst way to prove a point I have ever seen. Go do that with any very good QB in this league, and you will see the same thing. Still shots don't give the context of play design, correct read, or what happens to how open players look as defenders react to throws.
bestfightstory":34079ilg said:Yet more evidence that nothing is ever Wilson's fault. The anti-T-Jack effect.
BASF":1p55u8ll said:Carroll has admitted that this is his fault, and all the conspiracy theorists are saying that Pete is simply taking the heat for his rookie QB. Maybe just maybe Pete is telling the truth.
Any QB worth his salt will make multiple reads, one simply does not survive in the NFL by making only one read, and then bailing on the play. Manning, Brady, and yes even guys like Andrew Luck always have their heads moving around. Not going through progressions is not a flaw in the system, it is a flaw in the player. I notice guys like Brady rarely have their first option open unless it is on a quick hit play. If a player does not learn to go through his progressions he won't succeed in the NFL, period.BASF":2f26makf said:OK, so here is the deal. No one who posts on the internet in regards to these offensive problems knows what the play calls were. No one knows who the ball is supposed to be going to or whether Wilson has the freedom to make multiple reads. Jackson was not making multiple reads and everyone wanted Charlie. Charlie wasn't making multiple reads and everyone wanted his head. Hass was not making multiple reads early in his season with Pete and everyone knew that Pete wasn't trusting Hass to do what Hass does.
Carroll has admitted that this is his fault, and all the conspiracy theorists are saying that Pete is simply taking the heat for his rookie QB. Maybe just maybe Pete is telling the truth.
I have been the only I have seen so far to bring up the fact that we have had four different line combinations in four games. This is a team sport more than any other in the fact that you need to know where your teammates are and how they are handling their assignment. Until Wilson actually has a little stability in the lineup around him, he shouldn't be thrown under the bus. He is a rookie and there will be growing pains. The lack of patience from the fans brought about the Dilfer chants and the Charlie chants, and neither of them were the right thing to do.
Blitzer88":21tl2id1 said:That is pretty interesting......the receivers are open more than I though they would or have been.
MysterMatt":2i7qnhqk said:All due respect, but you don't necessarily know that. The pictures show good plays and some bad reads. Why shouldn't Miller not be accountable for that? I'm not one of the people shouting for his head, mind you.Scottemojo":2i7qnhqk said:That might be the worst way to prove a point I have ever seen. Go do that with any very good QB in this league, and you will see the same thing. Still shots don't give the context of play design, correct read, or what happens to how open players look as defenders react to throws.
kmedic":o82knw42 said:Take a listen to Hugh Millen break down the last interception when McCoy slipped while looking at the stills that Hawkblogger provides. Everyone has been saying it wasn't Wilson's fault that McCoy slipped and he didn't deserve the INT but after listening to this breakdown and looking at the stills, Wilson clearly made the wrong read and throw. Baldwin was WIDE OPEN down the middle!!
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/10/3/344 ... arren-moon
I'm willing to endure Wilson for a few more games but if he continues to make level 101 mistakes like these that lead to bad losses like last week then I really think we need to get Flynn in there.