Is Seahawks’ Russell Wilson now on downslope of his career?
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He's only going to get better. He's a first ballot HOF QB.
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I think part of the reason Waldron was brought in was due to Wilson aging up, different temp and style of offense to use his experience. He isn't going to get any better doing what he has done, in fact it will only get worse as he slows down a bit or an injury happens. Seahawks have not seriously looked for his replacement yet, they want to ride him a while longer, but something had to happen.
He'll probably win the MVP this year or next, depending on if his O-Line and receiving core can stay relatively healthy. (A DK injury, or a Duane Brown injury would sink his chances.) Wilson was built to play in the Waldron offense.
Wilson will rollout more times in 10 games than he has in the last 3 seasons combined. I've never seen a better QB when rolling out than Wilson. It's about damn time. Should've happened years ago.
Wilson will rollout more times in 10 games than he has in the last 3 seasons combined. I've never seen a better QB when rolling out than Wilson. It's about damn time. Should've happened years ago.
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Smellyman":32m66bkk said:
Certainly not bevel or Scheissenhammer!
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The question in the thread title is different than the question in the poll. The results will likely be inaccurate.
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The silly part of this is every year Wilson has added something to his game and yet some still think he cant. Add to that is it that bad that he is one of only 2 Qbs to be top 120 in yards, complt%, Qb rating and tds. I mean how stupid are people.
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Smellyman":s87mkkph said:
There is a difference, Panic attack offense versus controlled deliberate roll outs in Waldrons offense if that is what he does.
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The two choices given in this poll are literal narrative builders.
If we are going to critique the turnovers by Russ last year when he got more of the offensive load, can we do so while also pointing out he didn’t even surpass Mahomes, Brady, Brees in the max number of turnovers in a season? And that he literally finished 2nd or 3rd in the league in touchdowns?
Yes he can improve. He’s improved literally every season as a passer. That last year was considered his “down year” is remarkable when comparing it to other great QBs and their highest turnover numbers. Brees once had what, 15 interceptions in a season? Be FAIR minded when it comes to Russ for once please. I’ve never seen a fan base scrutinize their QB so mercilessly
If we are going to critique the turnovers by Russ last year when he got more of the offensive load, can we do so while also pointing out he didn’t even surpass Mahomes, Brady, Brees in the max number of turnovers in a season? And that he literally finished 2nd or 3rd in the league in touchdowns?
Yes he can improve. He’s improved literally every season as a passer. That last year was considered his “down year” is remarkable when comparing it to other great QBs and their highest turnover numbers. Brees once had what, 15 interceptions in a season? Be FAIR minded when it comes to Russ for once please. I’ve never seen a fan base scrutinize their QB so mercilessly
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As far as the title question goes, yes. Whether anyone wants to admit it, age takes it's toll. He may play another ten years. He may even be a better passer for five or six seasons, but he is officially on his downslope after 33 which will be this season.
As far as the poll question, he can absolutely adapt. He is a true professional in the sense that he does everything he can to improve his game. A lot of the things that he has done less of has been an issue of him trying to do too much when there are other options. The new system (if it is predicated on Waldron's coaching tree) will vastly change the landscape of his passing.
As far as the poll question, he can absolutely adapt. He is a true professional in the sense that he does everything he can to improve his game. A lot of the things that he has done less of has been an issue of him trying to do too much when there are other options. The new system (if it is predicated on Waldron's coaching tree) will vastly change the landscape of his passing.
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The OP seems to have accidentally replaced Pete Carroll's name with Russell Wilson in the title here.
Does anyone think Wilson just needs to do more? Really? Or that he just might be losing his magic?
Wilson is fine. With the rules in today's NFL, he has near a decade of high-quality production left in the tank.
Carroll is the guy that had some real blind spots that were offset by some incredible ability in development and defensive acumen.
And now he isn't effective at those things at near the same clip, so it is hard to overcome his strategic and tactical ineptness, his nepotism/favoritism, and his controlling nature.
There is an interesting parallel with Lillard for Wilson.
Both superstars recognized in the top 5 of their craft, both HOF players, and both on teams where the team executives have what seems to be a complete lack of accountability from the owner. Consequently, their team FOs consistently overreach and underdeliver, which many of the reaches fail to develop. Their teams' goals almost appear to be tread water and just make the playoffs...than to win anything.
Recently both stars seem to chirp if not chafe at the lack of success they are being branded with while being shoved into systems that give them little or no help.
So it won't be a surprise if both force their way out, since both are dealing with problems exacerbated by an owner seemingly asleep at the wheel.
Does anyone think Wilson just needs to do more? Really? Or that he just might be losing his magic?
Wilson is fine. With the rules in today's NFL, he has near a decade of high-quality production left in the tank.
Carroll is the guy that had some real blind spots that were offset by some incredible ability in development and defensive acumen.
And now he isn't effective at those things at near the same clip, so it is hard to overcome his strategic and tactical ineptness, his nepotism/favoritism, and his controlling nature.
There is an interesting parallel with Lillard for Wilson.
Both superstars recognized in the top 5 of their craft, both HOF players, and both on teams where the team executives have what seems to be a complete lack of accountability from the owner. Consequently, their team FOs consistently overreach and underdeliver, which many of the reaches fail to develop. Their teams' goals almost appear to be tread water and just make the playoffs...than to win anything.
Recently both stars seem to chirp if not chafe at the lack of success they are being branded with while being shoved into systems that give them little or no help.
So it won't be a surprise if both force their way out, since both are dealing with problems exacerbated by an owner seemingly asleep at the wheel.
This should be an incredibly entertaining question to follow over the next two seasons, provided you can set any agenda you had entering this thread to the side.
On one hand, the hyper elusive QB style that Wilson was extremely effective (and underrated) with has been slowly decreasing for a few years now. Five years ago Wilson didn't get nearly enough credit for his rushing yardage or how his mobility impacted opposing defenses; requiring them to keep a spy on him, pass rush with contain principles rather than going flat out, and that third down and 15 magic where he'd spin away from three sacks and then throw a TD. These days he doesn't have that same top gear and we all get a bit frustrated when he spins out of the pocket into a sack.
On the other hand, the ridiculous success of Brady should put more emphasis than ever on how important football IQ and leadership is in the modern NFL. That's something that QBs improve on as they age, and the idea behind the OC change was to put Wilson in better positions to succeed in the first place. Who knows if it will work, but this is the offense that enabled Jared Goff to have a 32 TD/12 INT/7.7 ANY/A season and so there is obviously room for optimism. If Wilson can get the ball out quickly combined with his top tier throwing ability and receiving room then this could easily be the best season of his career.
On one hand, the hyper elusive QB style that Wilson was extremely effective (and underrated) with has been slowly decreasing for a few years now. Five years ago Wilson didn't get nearly enough credit for his rushing yardage or how his mobility impacted opposing defenses; requiring them to keep a spy on him, pass rush with contain principles rather than going flat out, and that third down and 15 magic where he'd spin away from three sacks and then throw a TD. These days he doesn't have that same top gear and we all get a bit frustrated when he spins out of the pocket into a sack.
On the other hand, the ridiculous success of Brady should put more emphasis than ever on how important football IQ and leadership is in the modern NFL. That's something that QBs improve on as they age, and the idea behind the OC change was to put Wilson in better positions to succeed in the first place. Who knows if it will work, but this is the offense that enabled Jared Goff to have a 32 TD/12 INT/7.7 ANY/A season and so there is obviously room for optimism. If Wilson can get the ball out quickly combined with his top tier throwing ability and receiving room then this could easily be the best season of his career.
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AgentDib":2u9vcj81 said:
I would say that teams have watched him enough to know to rush to a spot rather then chase also, when he does a spin move seems like someone is already there most times these days.
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In a word, no.
I think a lot of people confuse Russ' diminishing ability to use his legs with not being able to play the position well. He may not be as quick as he used to, but his game has improved in many other areas. I don't think he's hit his ceiling as a QB... in his mind there's always room to improve. That's better than someone who rests on their laurels and rides their athletic ability until it's used up.
I think a lot of people confuse Russ' diminishing ability to use his legs with not being able to play the position well. He may not be as quick as he used to, but his game has improved in many other areas. I don't think he's hit his ceiling as a QB... in his mind there's always room to improve. That's better than someone who rests on their laurels and rides their athletic ability until it's used up.
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When it comes to them citing the INTs, I question if these guys even watched the games. 6 of them came off of his receivers hands. 2 more came on the next play after throwing a TD, only his WR didn't keep both feet inbounds. Wilson should've comfortably had single digit INTs last year, while throwing 40+ TDs and rushing for over 500 yards. All while being in a dysfunctional, dinosaur of an offense that refused to roll him out, with him taking the same drop over and over. They should be mightily impressed.
But I figured out several years ago that these guys don't put the other qb's under the microscope to get a baseline of what elite play actually is, only Wilson. They just watch the highlights of the other QBs. So they have a distorted lens to put it lightly.
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Fade":1xc974su said:
BINGO
Another chum strike!
"BINGO" ...... comes from one that insists that all their posted stats in support of a preferred narrative are indisputable "fact". But, as we can read ....... preferential exceptions can be made that are enthusiastically seized upon when it suites their needs. :rofl:
"BINGO" ...... comes from one that insists that all their posted stats in support of a preferred narrative are indisputable "fact". But, as we can read ....... preferential exceptions can be made that are enthusiastically seized upon when it suites their needs. :rofl:
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