I am sure Pete will hire a new young stud. But if we want discipline.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Singletary
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This isn't a young defense anymore. They don't need a raw-raw coach as much as some make it out to be, they hype themselves up.jake206":an7yw543 said:To me, this is a HUGE loss, more so than Quinn. He is like what Cable is to the offense. Norton was the big disciplinarian in the love thy brother ...emo-fest of Carroll. Without him, the toughness of the defense is weakened. I don't think we'll be as good on defense, especially the linebackers. Big step back. Unless Carroll has another multi-SuperBowl winning linebacker coach...I think this is a big mistake.
Hawkfan77":7k8yzub9 said:This isn't a young defense anymore. They don't need a raw-raw coach as much as some make it out to be, they hype themselves up.jake206":7k8yzub9 said:To me, this is a HUGE loss, more so than Quinn. He is like what Cable is to the offense. Norton was the big disciplinarian in the love thy brother ...emo-fest of Carroll. Without him, the toughness of the defense is weakened. I don't think we'll be as good on defense, especially the linebackers. Big step back. Unless Carroll has another multi-SuperBowl winning linebacker coach...I think this is a big mistake.
Does it suck to lose him? Yeah. But he was never going to stay here forever. To say we are weakened is such an overblown overstatement it makes me laugh. It;s not like we will go through the season without a LB coach.
And how does Norton getting a promotion from another team a "big mistake" by the Hawks? It's not like Hawks fired him with no replacement in mind. Another team offered him a dream job, good for Norton.
I'm sorry, do you have any idea who our HC is??jake206":39ynsz0e said:Its a mistake, because the Hawks let a good assistant go. Any other team would have blocked this to keep the coaching staff together.
HawkGA":gihcsn74 said:dumbrabbit":gihcsn74 said:What others said. Pete's only goal is to make his assistants get the dreams of their lives.
Do that enough and good assistants will come to you.
Hawkfan77":1dsl1sqg said:I'm sorry, do you have any idea who our HC is??jake206":1dsl1sqg said:Its a mistake, because the Hawks let a good assistant go. Any other team would have blocked this to keep the coaching staff together.
It's apparent you don't because Carroll has said publicly multiple times he would NEVER block any of his guys from receiving promotions and how happy it makes it when they do get those promotions. Why would anyone want to work for a guy who blocks them for growing in their prospective careers?
You honestly think Carroll is incapable of finding someone competent to coach our LBs? When has he ever had an incompetent defensive staff?jake206":27mqrtzh said:Hawkfan77":27mqrtzh said:I'm sorry, do you have any idea who our HC is??jake206":27mqrtzh said:Its a mistake, because the Hawks let a good assistant go. Any other team would have blocked this to keep the coaching staff together.
It's apparent you don't because Carroll has said publicly multiple times he would NEVER block any of his guys from receiving promotions and how happy it makes it when they do get those promotions. Why would anyone want to work for a guy who blocks them for growing in their prospective careers?
Sure its fine and dandy to let assistant coaches promoted. Yeah Kumbaya. But, guess what happens when all your assistant coaches leave. Marquand Manuel gone. Dan Quinn gone. Ken Norton gone. Travis Jones (possibly) gone? And at some point, you've got nobody on your coaching staff that's competent.
Hawkfan77":2web23d8 said:You honestly think Carroll is incapable of finding someone competent to coach our LBs? When has he ever had an incompetent defensive staff?jake206":2web23d8 said:Hawkfan77":2web23d8 said:I'm sorry, do you have any idea who our HC is??jake206":2web23d8 said:Its a mistake, because the Hawks let a good assistant go. Any other team would have blocked this to keep the coaching staff together.
It's apparent you don't because Carroll has said publicly multiple times he would NEVER block any of his guys from receiving promotions and how happy it makes it when they do get those promotions. Why would anyone want to work for a guy who blocks them for growing in their prospective careers?
Sure its fine and dandy to let assistant coaches promoted. Yeah Kumbaya. But, guess what happens when all your assistant coaches leave. Marquand Manuel gone. Dan Quinn gone. Ken Norton gone. Travis Jones (possibly) gone? And at some point, you've got nobody on your coaching staff that's competent.
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If we can't keep Maxwell, then I hope he gets overpaid to the tune of a 3rd round compensatory, and Oak has the cap room to make that happenHawk_Nation":o9g9uyea said:So does Maxwell and Malcolm Smith now follow?
Hawkfan77":3g7hc3er said:You honestly think Carroll is incapable of finding someone competent to coach our LBs? When has he ever had an incompetent defensive staff?jake206":3g7hc3er said:Hawkfan77":3g7hc3er said:I'm sorry, do you have any idea who our HC is??jake206":3g7hc3er said:Its a mistake, because the Hawks let a good assistant go. Any other team would have blocked this to keep the coaching staff together.
It's apparent you don't because Carroll has said publicly multiple times he would NEVER block any of his guys from receiving promotions and how happy it makes it when they do get those promotions. Why would anyone want to work for a guy who blocks them for growing in their prospective careers?
Sure its fine and dandy to let assistant coaches promoted. Yeah Kumbaya. But, guess what happens when all your assistant coaches leave. Marquand Manuel gone. Dan Quinn gone. Ken Norton gone. Travis Jones (possibly) gone? And at some point, you've got nobody on your coaching staff that's competent.
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And yet in all that time, he has never made Norton his DC. Even though he's had multiple DC openings, Norton has never gotten that promotion from Pete. Something to at least think aboutjake206":3e2e2cm5 said:You only reinforce my point, never has Carroll been without Norton on his defensive staff. 10 years.
Uncle Si":1updmuzh said:I dont understand the hand wringing here. When your assistants are allowed to take promotions at other teams, it opens up chances for others who were in their position (young, smart, hungry) to jump into their place with the understanding that the team and the coach help build their name.
Fine if you would rather have Norton than Richard. But it was one or the other, and it was unavoidable.