Pete Carroll the only holdout left during Super Bowl years

[Mizak]

All the players during those memorable Super Bowl years are gone but hes still here. There should be a new head coach that should take the remade and retool Seahawks into the promised land.

 

[toffee]

All the players during those memorable Super Bowl years are gone but hes still here. There should be a new head coach that should take the remade and retool Seahawks into the promised land.

Who would you like? Got a list?

 

[John63]

AND in there lies the biggest problem with the hawks.

 

[Maelstrom787]

John Schneider, the Vulcan brain trust (like Kolde, for example), Pat McPherson, Carl Smith, Dave Canales... c'mon dawg. Flesh that thought out a bit before hitting post.

 

[Rainger]

Hmmmm do you say the same thing about Billicheat?? What about John Harbaugh?? I am sure there are others.

 

[JayhawkMike]

Hmmmm do you say the same thing about Billicheat?? What about John Harbaugh?? I am sure there are others.

Despite the previous success of both of those coaches I guarantee they would both be LONG gone before getting to only 3 playoff wins in 7 years. Yes, even Belichek.

 

[RiverDog]

The window in which teams generally fire head coaches, ie December-January, has come and gone. Love him or hate him, Pete is our HC for the 2022 season.

Last season starting in early December when it became apparent that we weren't making the playoffs, that the Adams trade was going poorly, that Russell was unhappy and unlikely to resign with us, that we were in the midst of our worst season since Jim Mora, I was calling for Pete's head and will do so again if I get a similar sense of the direction of this team.

But not now. Let's see how we feel in about 6 months.

 

[BASF]

Despite the previous success of both of those coaches I guarantee they would both be LONG gone before getting to only 3 playoff wins in 7 years. Yes, even Belichek.

Harbaugh has won less playoff games than Carroll in more seasons since their Super Bowl and still has the job.

 

[JayhawkMike]

Harbaugh has won less playoff games than Carroll in more seasons since their Super Bowl and still has the job.

It appears in the same 7 year period the Ravens only have two Playoff wins. Ouch for them. I was wrong.

 

[chrispy]

This year, Lamar Jackson's rookie contract hits the 5th year option and his cap hit goes from about 3 million to 23 million (11% of cap). Next year would be franchise tag if not extended earlier. Harbaugh's window of cheap QB play is closing this year and they'll have to make a similar decision in Baltimore (similar to Seattle's this off-season).

LJ was drafted as the last pick of the 1st round in 2018. He won the Heisman in college (Louisville Cardinals), and the NFL League MVP in 2019. 3 ProBowl seasons and 1 All Pro season. 1 playoff win and 3 losses. A DeShaun Watson or Aaron Rogers contract would put the Ravens well above the QB cap of 20%.

This may seem off-topic to a PC thread, but it's so similar to Seattle. From 2014 to 2015, RW's average salary went from 700K to about 22Million or 15% of salary cap. His individual play improved until extended to his current contract at roughly 30 million or about 16% cap in 2021. He now wants 50 million/yr or about 25% of total Cap.

Harbaugh will face the same choices as Pete (unless LJ somehow loses his mojo and makes the decision easy). Baltimore is practically guaranteed to reach the playoffs the majority of the upcoming years but also practically guaranteed to fail to win the Superbowl. (No team has ever won the Superbowl with a QB cap hit above 12.6%).

So hypothetical question: For a period of the next 10 years, would you prefer a situation where you're guaranteed to make the playoffs 9 times, but also guaranteed to not win the SuperBowl or alternatively you're team will be embarrassingly bad for some years, but leave the chance open to win the big one over that timeframe?

 

[GemCity]

This year, Lamar Jackson's rookie contract hits the 5th year option and his cap hit goes from about 3 million to 23 million (11% of cap). Next year would be franchise tag if not extended earlier. Harbaugh's window of cheap QB play is closing this year and they'll have to make a similar decision in Baltimore (similar to Seattle's this off-season).

LJ was drafted as the last pick of the 1st round in 2018. He won the Heisman in college (Louisville Cardinals), and the NFL League MVP in 2019. 3 ProBowl seasons and 1 All Pro season. 1 playoff win and 3 losses. A DeShaun Watson or Aaron Rogers contract would put the Ravens well above the QB cap of 20%.

This may seem off-topic to a PC thread, but it's so similar to Seattle. From 2014 to 2015, RW's average salary went from 700K to about 22Million or 15% of salary cap. His individual play improved until extended to his current contract at roughly 30 million or about 16% cap in 2021. He now wants 50 million/yr or about 25% of total Cap.

Harbaugh will face the same choices as Pete (unless LJ somehow loses his mojo and makes the decision easy). Baltimore is practically guaranteed to reach the playoffs the majority of the upcoming years but also practically guaranteed to fail to win the Superbowl. (No team has ever won the Superbowl with a QB cap hit above 12.6%).

So hypothetical question: For a period of the next 10 years, would you prefer a situation where you're guaranteed to make the playoffs 9 times, but also guaranteed to not win the SuperBowl or alternatively you're team will be embarrassingly bad for some years, but leave the chance open to win the big one over that timeframe?

What a conundrum. I honestly can’t answer that in all truthfulness. I think most people would say suck with a chance to win the big one but, deep in their hearts, they’d want competitiveness every year.
If you reach the playoffs, you’ve always got a shot.
For your scenario though, I’d take the SB win.

 

[John63]

This year, Lamar Jackson's rookie contract hits the 5th year option and his cap hit goes from about 3 million to 23 million (11% of cap). Next year would be franchise tag if not extended earlier. Harbaugh's window of cheap QB play is closing this year and they'll have to make a similar decision in Baltimore (similar to Seattle's this off-season).

LJ was drafted as the last pick of the 1st round in 2018. He won the Heisman in college (Louisville Cardinals), and the NFL League MVP in 2019. 3 ProBowl seasons and 1 All Pro season. 1 playoff win and 3 losses. A DeShaun Watson or Aaron Rogers contract would put the Ravens well above the QB cap of 20%.

This may seem off-topic to a PC thread, but it's so similar to Seattle. From 2014 to 2015, RW's average salary went from 700K to about 22Million or 15% of salary cap. His individual play improved until extended to his current contract at roughly 30 million or about 16% cap in 2021. He now wants 50 million/yr or about 25% of total Cap.

Harbaugh will face the same choices as Pete (unless LJ somehow loses his mojo and makes the decision easy). Baltimore is practically guaranteed to reach the playoffs the majority of the upcoming years but also practically guaranteed to fail to win the Superbowl. (No team has ever won the Superbowl with a QB cap hit above 12.6%).

So hypothetical question: For a period of the next 10 years, would you prefer a situation where you're guaranteed to make the playoffs 9 times, but also guaranteed to not win the SuperBowl or alternatively you're team will be embarrassingly bad for some years, but leave the chance open to win the big one over that timeframe?

Except you don't know how much he wants. no place have you seen him or his agent say anything, You may be right but you might be wrong. As to your hypothetical, that is a strawman argument. For one we won an Sb in those 10 years. for 2 you cant guarantee we will not win an Sb nor can you guarantee if we went with the embarrassing we would.

You are basically setting your hypothetical up with uneven conditions to elicit a specific response.

The reality is you have to get into the playoffs to have a chance. Once you get in anything can happen.

 

[John63]

What a conundrum. I honestly can’t answer that in all truthfulness. I think most people would say suck with a chance to win the big one but, deep in their hearts, they’d want competitiveness every year.
If you reach the playoffs, you’ve always got a shot.
For your scenario though, I’d take the SB win.

Except his scenario does not guarantee an Sb win, only a chance.

 

[Rainger]

Despite the previous success of both of those coaches I guarantee they would both be LONG gone before getting to only 3 playoff wins in 7 years. Yes, even Belichek.

John Harbaugh 2 wins in 7 years from 2013. 4 years in a row no playoffs.

 

[Hollandhawk]

John Harbaugh 2 wins in 7 years from 2013. 4 years in a row no playoffs.

He wasn't mentioned I guess, but another example is Mike Tomlin.... 3 wins in 10 years...

 

[Rainger]

He wasn't mentioned I guess, but another example is Mike Tomlin.... 3 wins in 10 years...

My point to the OP was that there are plenty of coaches who have done far worse than Pete for longer or same times and not been fired.

 

[Hollandhawk]

My point to the OP was that there are plenty of coaches who have done far worse than Pete for longer or same times and not been fired.

Yeah, I understand. I was just adding another "legendary" coach who has done worse than Pete.

 

[Rainger]

Yeah, I understand. I was just adding another "legendary" coach who has done worse than Pete.

Yes the whole premise of this thread is flawed. PC had done more than most coaches since his last SB up until last year even with a QB who would not play "with" the team. In fact had he not been so loyal to his QB and did what he is doing now 3 years ago none of this conversation would be happening.

Pete's problem was he should have bailed on RW 2 or 3 years ago as toffee and others have so eloquently described it.

 

[m0ng0]

All the players during those memorable Super Bowl years are gone but hes still here. There should be a new head coach that should take the remade and retool Seahawks into the promised land.

I think Pete and John are responsible for the "remade and retool" so I think they should get to run it for a while longer yes?

 

[SonicHawk]

I'm looking forward to the end of the Pete era. Forever grateful, but ready to move on.