Pick 35: Nick Emmanwori

[Lagartixa]

They won the trade value based on the draft chart genius

I'm not sure who or what the "draft chart genius" is, but it's irrelevant. Whether you use charts like the updated JJ chart (roughly how teams value picks) or the updated Chase Stuart chart (roughly what picks are actually worth in expected talent), the fact remains that the Seahawks paid first-round capital for a player who was, by consensus of all 32 NFL teams, not worth a first-round pick.
That's far from the bargain @Hawkpower suggested by ridiculing @MontanaHawk05 for supposedly not liking first-round value in the second round, and I was responding to that. What @Hawkpower ignored was that the Seahawks gave up first-round capital for Emmanwori, and that the 32 NFL teams had decided Emmanwori wasn't a first-round player.
As I said, the truth looks like a second-round-level player taken with first-round draft capital. As I said, that's not the end of the world. However, it is pretty much the opposite of what @Hawkpower had suggested it was, and that's why I replied. Instead of first-round talent for second-round capital, as @Hawkpower had suggested the result of the trade and pick was, it was actually second-round talent (by consensus of all 32 NFL teams) for first-round capital.

 

[Natethegreat]

I'm not sure who or what the "draft chart genius" is, but it's irrelevant. Whether you use charts like the updated JJ chart (roughly how teams value picks) or the updated Chase Stuart (roughly what picks are actually worth in expected talent), the fact remains that the Seahawks paid first-round capital for a player who was, by consensus of all 32 NFL teams, not worth a first-round pick.
That's far from the bargain @Hawkpower suggested by ridiculing @MontanaHawk05 for supposedly not liking first-round value in the second round, and I was responding to that. What @Hawkpower ignored was that the Seahawks gave up first-round capital for Emmanwori, and that the 32 NFL teams had decided Emmanwori wasn't a first-round player.
As I said, the truth looks like a second-round-level player taken with first-round draft capital. As I said, that's not the end of the world. However, it is pretty much the opposite of what @Hawkpower had suggested it was, and that's why I replied. Instead of first-round talent for second-round capital, as @Hawkpower had suggested the result of the trade and pick was, it was actually second-round talent (by consensus of all 32 NFL teams) for first-round capital.

That is a real strong arguement except for the fact that they didn't give up the value of a first round pick to select Emmanwori. Also just because the teams in the first round didn't select him doesn't mean they didn't rate him as a first round talent.
They have needs just like the Seahawks do. Our first prioroty was to select a guard but I read Nick would have been their second choice at 18. Very possible other teams had bigger needs than a safety and addressed those needs rather than selecting a safety.

Nick Emmanwori was projected consistently as a top 20 to top of the second round player. What we gave for the 35th pick was good value despite your protests otherwise.

On thing is for sure whether JS trades up or trades down someone on dot net is going to be throwing a snit about it. When JS has traded up it has generally turned out great by the way.

 

[onanygivensunday]

Nick Emmanwori was projected consistently as a top 20 to top of the second round player. What we gave for the 35th pick was good value despite your protests otherwise.

Fwiw, Dane Brugler of The Athletic... in his annual The Beast draft guide... had Emmanwori as #17 overall in his Top 100.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Some people formulate opinions during the draft like they are shopping at a thrift store or bargaining for street tacos.

Getting this player at 35 is insane value.

Or we just pay attention to well-documented character concerns.

 

[Kamcussionator]

And he was built in a lab...

 

[Mistashoesta]

Check out his profile pic #LOB

 

[Hawkpower]

Or we just pay attention to well-documented character concerns.

I've scoured the internet and found nothing of the sort

I am sure I am just missing it, but could you be specific as to what the concerns are with his character?

 

[Hawkpower]

I still think he will work out as an effective NFL player, and hope he does, but let's not ignore the facts to pretend this is a bargain like "first-round talent at second-round prices," because both parts of that are incorrect.
All 32 NFL teams showed us clearly that they had determined that Emmanwori did not have first-round value by, y'know, not picking him in the first round. And the Seahawks gave up more than just a second-round pick to get Emmanwori, so "at second-round prices" isn't the case here either.

This looks like a second-round player taken with first-round draft capital. Not the end of the world, but not the bargain "1st round (sic) value at 35" incorrectly suggests.

Guys don't always drop out of round 1 because they aren't round 1 quality

There can be a run on Tackles, for example, which push a player at a different position.....regarded to be a 20's value to the 30's for example

So yes, what I said in fact could (and often is) correct

 

[Atradees]

I've scoured the internet and found nothing of the sort

I am sure I am just missing it, but could you be specific as to what the concerns are with his character?

Is it Hookers and blow? Isn't that normal with 20 year old millionaires?

 

[MontanaHawk05]

I've scoured the internet and found nothing of the sort

I am sure I am just missing it, but could you be specific as to what the concerns are with his character?

Behind a paywall, unfortunately.

Part 11, S: Why Malaki Starks, 'A+ across the board,' can run your defense

This isn't our father's safety position. Gone is the tone-setter. Yet? The position remains crucial to success. Starks, "one of the most valuable defensive players in this draft," leads the class.

www.golongtd.com

“There’s some inconsistency and possible character issues. More like football immaturity.”

“He’s naturally contrarian to most everything. He’s got top-20 talent but there’s some bells and whistles that come with him. Just be sure you know. He can probably fray some things. You’ve got to have somebody to deal with the personality. They say this guy is so strong-willed, if you get him onto your side he’ll save the world. If he is opposed to your views he’ll burn the world down.”

Combined with a number of random social media comments from SC fans calling him a loose cannon.

 

[Hawkpower]

Behind a paywall, unfortunately.

Part 11, S: Why Malaki Starks, 'A+ across the board,' can run your defense

This isn't our father's safety position. Gone is the tone-setter. Yet? The position remains crucial to success. Starks, "one of the most valuable defensive players in this draft," leads the class.

www.golongtd.com

Combined with a number of random social media comments from SC fans calling him a loose cannon.

Oh ok. But he hasn't actually done anything. Just worried that someday he might?

I mean I get having that in the back of our minds, but it seems pretty light doesn't it?

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Oh ok. But he hasn't actually done anything. Just worried that someday he might?

I mean I get having that in the back of our minds, but it seems pretty light doesn't it?

I just hate coachability issues, perhaps more than some. You're on track for NFL first-round money and you're gonna be like that? Day 3, bud.

Maybe Mike's the right guy for him. I certainly see the upside if he is: Kam Chancellor impact.

 

[sutz]

“There’s some inconsistency and possible character issues. More like football immaturity.”

“He’s naturally contrarian to most everything. He’s got top-20 talent but there’s some bells and whistles that come with him. Just be sure you know. He can probably fray some things. You’ve got to have somebody to deal with the personality. They say this guy is so strong-willed, if you get him onto your side he’ll save the world. If he is opposed to your views he’ll burn the world down.”

Sounds like 3/4 of the Legion of Boom.

 

[hgwellz12]

2025 NFL Draft: Safety, Nick Emmanwori, South Carolina, 35th

Holy SHIT!

 

[hgwellz12]

Knowing that Zabel & Emmanwori are Seahawks will help me sleep better at night.

I have been busier than I have been in YEARS and am finally able to take a look at some tape of our picks, and, MY OH MY! This one ESPECIALLY! Dawg jumps off the screen! Absolute BALLER! With him & Spoon in Money Mike's D? WATCH. TF. OUT!

 

[Bobblehead]

looks like a cross between Kam and Earl.

 

[hgwellz12]

You can't TEACH what he has athletically. Pair that with coach MM's know-how and, mannnn, it's gonna be a long damn season for our opponents! He's gonna take poor Puka's lunch, eat it in front of him, and then throw the paper sack at him and bounce it off his forehead!

 

[CallMeADawg]

I'm not sure who or what the "draft chart genius" is, but it's irrelevant. Whether you use charts like the updated JJ chart (roughly how teams value picks) or the updated Chase Stuart chart (roughly what picks are actually worth in expected talent), the fact remains that the Seahawks paid first-round capital for a player who was, by consensus of all 32 NFL teams, not worth a first-round pick.
That's far from the bargain @Hawkpower suggested by ridiculing @MontanaHawk05 for supposedly not liking first-round value in the second round, and I was responding to that. What @Hawkpower ignored was that the Seahawks gave up first-round capital for Emmanwori, and that the 32 NFL teams had decided Emmanwori wasn't a first-round player.
As I said, the truth looks like a second-round-level player taken with first-round draft capital. As I said, that's not the end of the world. However, it is pretty much the opposite of what @Hawkpower had suggested it was, and that's why I replied. Instead of first-round talent for second-round capital, as @Hawkpower had suggested the result of the trade and pick was, it was actually second-round talent (by consensus of all 32 NFL teams) for first-round capital.

I usually agree with your takes but you are way off on this one. Seattle stole this guy.