Tukuafu cut?

[chris98251]

He must have missed that block on the crossing route Bevell was trying to set up in the red zone.

 

[LeftHandSmoke]

I read an article somewhere that on the 11 snaps with a fullback there were 0 yards and it showed, and needing to be more spread is what the article suggested. When I find it I will link the article.

Saw that too. Think it was Sheil Kapadia this morning, in his daily Seahawks post at ESPN. He made a statistical case for 3 WR sets to cure the Hawks offense, near-term.

 

[West TX Hawk]

I wonder how many times Carroll has had to tell him "We're going in another direction." I'm sure he'll be back later in the year.

 

[LeftHandSmoke]

He must have missed that block on the crossing route Bevell was trying to set up in the red zone.

Where he got in the way of Graham, and then the ball went to Collins for -1 anyway so it didn't really matter?

I remember that play call!

 

[vin.couve12]

One spot left on the 53 still.

 

[vin.couve12]

I read an article somewhere that on the 11 snaps with a fullback there were 0 yards and it showed, and needing to be more spread is what the article suggested. When I find it I will link the article.

Saw that too. Think it was Sheil Kapadia this morning, in his daily Seahawks post at ESPN. He made a statistical case for 3 WR sets to cure the Hawks offense, near-term.

Gotta be careful with this stuff. We've already been in 3WR sets more than any formation and even 4 WR sets more than 2 WR. We've been in 2 WR sets only 3 times.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/splits/_/n ... e-seahawks

BY OFFENSIVE FORMATION ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A YDS/G LONG TD TD% INT INT% SACK YDSL RATE
Shotgun 40 25 62.5 235 6.0 0.0 24 1 2.5 1 2.5 2 5 77.1
2 Backs Split 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0
I-formation 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0
Lone Setback 34 20 58.8 173 5.6 0.0 24 1 2.9 1 2.9 3 18 72.1
BY WR FORMATION ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A YDS/G LONG TD TD% INT INT% SACK YDSL RATE
2 Wide Receivers 3 2 66.7 5 6.0 0.0 11 0 0.0 0 0.0 1 13 82.6
3 Wide Receivers 24 14 58.3 127 5.5 0.0 24 1 4.2 1 4.2 2 5 70.1
4+ Wide Receivers 15 10 66.7 101 6.7 0.0 19 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 85.7
BY TE FORMATION ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A YDS/G LONG TD TD% INT INT% SACK YDSL RATE
0 Tight Ends 13 8 61.5 81 6.2 0.0 19 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 79.3
1 Tight End 27 17 63.0 158 6.0 0.0 24 1 3.7 1 3.7 2 5 76.6
2 Tight Ends 1 0 0.0 -13 0.0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 1 13 39.6
3+ Tight Ends 2 2 100.0 14 7.0 0.0 7 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 95.8

 

[vin.couve12]

Actually, excuse me...the post above is passing plays only. Here is the information for rushing plays.

BY OFFENSIVE FORMATION ATT YDS YD/A LONG 20+ TD YDS/G FUM FUML 1DN
Shotgun 18 69 3.8 11 0 0 0.0 0 0 2
2 Backs Split 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
I-formation 5 9 1.8 6 0 0 0.0 1 1 1
Lone Setback 22 89 4.0 12 0 0 0.0 0 0 3
BY WR FORMATION ATT YDS YD/A LONG 20+ TD YDS/G FUM FUML 1DN
2 Wide Receivers 9 36 4.0 12 0 0 0.0 0 0 2
3 Wide Receivers 14 59 4.2 11 0 0 0.0 1 1 1
4+ Wide Receivers 5 16 3.2 9 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
BY TE FORMATION ATT YDS YD/A LONG 20+ TD YDS/G FUM FUML 1DN
0 Tight Ends 6 10 1.7 6 0 0 0.0 1 1 0
1 Tight End 14 67 4.8 11 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
2 Tight Ends 12 35 2.9 12 0 0 0.0 0 0 3
3+ Tight Ends 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0

 

[vin.couve12]

Not only that, but these stats are always a good case study in terms of what it shows when we're in certain formations. We have tendencies and kind of telegraph what we're going to do when we come out in 2 WR sets or even 2 TE sets.

It's been the same in previous years and what it shows is that the OC is lacking in his mixture of how he calls plays and, specifically, what he shows in his tendencies per formation. This can severely tip the hand to any educated defender and especially so with defenders who are good at recognizing patterns (not WR patterns, but geometric/mathematical/etc).

 

[TriCHawk]

Dammit! I just re-bought my Tukuafu jersey :x

 

[theincrediblesok]

Not only that, but these stats are always a good case study in terms of what it shows when we're in certain formations. We have tendencies and kind of telegraph what we're going to do when we come out in 2 WR sets or even 2 TE sets.

It's been the same in previous years and what it shows is that the OC is lacking in his mixture of how he calls plays and, specifically, what he shows in his tendencies per formation. This can severely tip the hand to any educated defender and especially so with defenders who are good at recognizing patterns (not WR patterns, but geometric/mathematical/etc).

So what your saying is Fire Bevell :stirthepot:

We need more misdirections, we can't run it down their throat no more. It was great when we had a bruiser with Lynch. Now teams just stacked the box knowing we have a hobbled Wilson.

 

[theincrediblesok]

Dammit! I just re-bought my Tukuafu jersey :x

Put it on lay-a-way he might come back once our run game shows up lol

 

[vin.couve12]

Not only that, but these stats are always a good case study in terms of what it shows when we're in certain formations. We have tendencies and kind of telegraph what we're going to do when we come out in 2 WR sets or even 2 TE sets.

It's been the same in previous years and what it shows is that the OC is lacking in his mixture of how he calls plays and, specifically, what he shows in his tendencies per formation. This can severely tip the hand to any educated defender and especially so with defenders who are good at recognizing patterns (not WR patterns, but geometric/mathematical/etc).

So what your saying is Fire Bevell :stirthepot:

We need more misdirections, we can't run it down their throat no more. It was great when we had a bruiser with Lynch. Now teams just stacked the box knowing we have a hobbled Wilson.

Not necessarily. You have to be really careful with misdirection when you have OL problems to the point of allowing penetration so quickly. That's when fumbles happen because misdirection are inherently long developing plays.

It's too late to fire Bevell. The learning curve of a new offense would kill the season entirely. Bevell, like RW, is a slow starter and just doesn't get into the flow of things until later in games and later in the season.

What I'm suggesting is that, in game planning, we need to be cognizant of what type of play we're running out of a formation and when. For instance, you don't call a play action out of a single back 3 WR set when you haven't hit them with the run that is set to make them bite in the first place. It's something we need to focus on. What I personally see, is that if Bevell sees something work once, he'll call it anywhere from 3 to 7 times that game and still go to it in later games. That's not to say that if something doesn't work then you don't come back to it, but you don't abuse a play so to speak. If the horse is dead, stop beating it.

 

[hawkfan68]

Feel for Tukuafu. First he gets cut so they can save on a guaranteed money and then he comes back in week 2 to get cut again. Good thing he's shown loyalty to the Seahawks.

 

[LeftHandSmoke]

Not only that, but these stats are always a good case study in terms of what it shows when we're in certain formations. We have tendencies and kind of telegraph what we're going to do when we come out in 2 WR sets or even 2 TE sets.

It's been the same in previous years and what it shows is that the OC is lacking in his mixture of how he calls plays and, specifically, what he shows in his tendencies per formation. This can severely tip the hand to any educated defender and especially so with defenders who are good at recognizing patterns (not WR patterns, but geometric/mathematical/etc).

So what your saying is Fire Bevell :stirthepot:

We need more misdirections, we can't run it down their throat no more. It was great when we had a bruiser with Lynch. Now teams just stacked the box knowing we have a hobbled Wilson.

Yes, with the calculation gamble being made that RW is no threat to keep the ball in the RO, the DE's are not having to stay honest; which negates the blocking numbers matchup we normally enjoy. But here's my take on what the Hawks will try, regardless of that.

The Hawks will slam the ball between the tackes for as long as the game is close, and hopefully even more so if they take a commanding lead. Aside from NaVarro B and their DE's, there's not much in the way of Rawls or CM after that first hard cut north. Whether it's an obvious 'we are bringing it' play or not, that could very well be our game winner.

 

[aredub]

Any word on who took his spot? I haven't seen anything yet.

 

[jammerhawk]

Interestingly there is still an open roster spot.

This is very unlike Pn'J.

 

[vin.couve12]

Luke Willson was the FB/H-Back on Sunday and from what Pete is saying, it may stay that way for a while. I think it's a good way to get your best players on the field for that personnel group. Willson isn't the pass blocker that Miller was, but he's actually a good and powerful blocker when he can get fully engaged with a defender. I kind of expected it to be Williams, but it's a good role for Luke and it sounds like he's really taking to it so that he can continue to stay on the field and help the team.

Win/Win.

 

[Laloosh]

Luke Willson was the FB/H-Back on Sunday and from what Pete is saying, it may stay that way for a while. I think it's a good way to get your best players on the field for that personnel group. Willson isn't the pass blocker that Miller was, but he's actually a good and powerful blocker when he can get fully engaged with a defender. I kind of expected it to be Williams, but it's a good role for Luke and it sounds like he's really taking to it so that he can continue to stay on the field and help the team.

Win/Win.

Yep. We came out in 20 personnel a couple of times against LA and I couldn't help but think that there are other people I'd prefer to see on the field than Tukuafu.

 

[King Dog]

If we plan on adding a FB, I would love to grab Marcel Reece.

 

[FlyingGreg]

Luke is set up better to get a few steps before engaging a defender than in-line drive blocking off the snap.

And I like the idea of them developing his role into a receiving threat, too.