Who Will Be There At #5?

[Sgt. Largent]

Apparently his conditioning is why he doesn't get a ton of snaps.

Where'd you read this?

 

[Mistashoesta]

I may very well be wrong (or even change my mind in the coming months), but to me, at first blush, Bresse is nearly a worst case scenario for us at #5.

I'm a bit worried about previous injury including an ACL tear in 2021. I don't normally put a lot of stock in college stats, but for someone who specializes in penetration, I'd like to see a lot more TFL, sacks, hits, hurries, etc... but as is, his numbers are meh. In the limited games of his I've seen, he also disappears for large chunks of them - and I'm not sure why.

He has upside, is expected to test well, and has great highlight reels, and most of the experts have him as a clear top 10 - but when I look at him, I really struggle to give him a premium grade at this point.

His injury history is concerning as well as his low stat numbers but the talent and drive is there. He has elite get off speed when one on one and has a great nose for the ball. He's not big enough to play NT in our defense but I think if we selected him he would be moved from DT to DE where he could be lined up one on one with the OT and imo would shine. Similar to how they used Red Bryant on the outside. He's got one thing you can't teach. Motor/drive. He may not be the most physically gifted but he loves to reek havoc. You have similar guys like LJ Collier who are physical specimens but the drive just isn't there. And we know how that story goes. I'll take a pitbull like Bresse over a physically gifted poodle like Collier any day of the week.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

yeah that line is better than some NFL Dlines lol absolutely loaded.

Some may say you’re exaggerating, but not any Bears fan. In fact, I honestly said during the TCU game I’d trade the whole damn Bears DL for Georgia’s.

Other guys who are not getting double-teamed were getting to the QB a couple steps ahead of Carter, but he was crashing through the double-team and into the backfield all night.
I’m sold.

 

[AgentDib]

I certainly wouldn't turn down Anderson and we should draft BPA at #5. However, is OLB really the huge need that some here think? It feels like a luxury pick.

Nwosu started and played well in all 17 games and should be back as a starter next season.

On the other side, we'll have two second round picks on rookie contracts competing for the job. Taylor had 3 TFL & 4 QB hits through week 12 and then 5 TFL & 9 QB hits over just the last 6 games. I was ready to write him off after week 12 like many, but that's a viewpoint that should be constantly open to new information and his upward trend is both surprising and very encouraging. Taylor reminds me a little of 2021 Crosby who was a liability against the run but then worked himself over the off-season to be a tremendously well rounded player this year.

Boye Mafe also looked good, albeit in small sample sizes, and we did just spend the #40 pick on him so he'll be a much larger part of the plan next year. Lastly, we will get Alton Robinson back who can also kick between OLB and 5 tech DE (6'3" 259lbs).

DE/DT on the other hand clearly needs a lot of help. Poona is a UFA and not likely to return. We may take the 2023 out in Woods contract (3.75m cap savings) due to him turning 36. At DE we have Bryan Mone and Myles Adams as supplemental pieces but not really building blocks. QJeff and Collier were somewhat both disappointing. We do have Harris, but even that is a bit of a question mark as we could move on for the 9m savings if we invested heavily at the position in the draft. We could use a rookie 1 tech, 3 tech, 4i tech and 5 tech so I wouldn't mind two or three of our early picks going here.

 

[massari]

Maybe. I hope the Seahawks don’t blow the #5 pick on one of these guys. If they want to draft a QB in 2023, use the second pick for some developmental QB. I would rather just roll with Geno for one more year, and spend the 2023 picks on the OL and DL.

Geno is in his mid 30s, and will be making $30M+ soon. If they like one of the QBs, not making QB the #1 priority would be "blowing" the pick.

And doesn't sound like he's taking any kind of home discount

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Geno is in his mid 30s, and will be making $30M+ soon. If they like one of the QBs, not making QB the #1 priority would be "blowing" the pick.

And doesn't sound like he's taking any kind of home discount


View attachment 56620

And no one could blame Geno for not taking a hometown discount.

This ain't Tom Brady on his 14th contract. Geno's been making the league minimum with incentives for most of his career. What? 3M this year?

Dude will, and should go out and get the biggest bag of money someone's willing to give him.

Pete and John know this, but they also know their future isn't tied to Geno Smith either. If 2022 proved anything, it's that they're pretty damn good at scouting and developing QB's to play within their offense. So they're not tied to Geno if some other franchise makes a stupid crazy offer.

 

[Ozzy]

When you compare Carter to other interior guys he's an outlier when it comes to production for guys taken as high as he is being considered. It sticks out like Bryce Young's size does for QB's.

 

[m0ng0]

Raiders need a QB, could they trade up?

 

[Bear-Hawk]

Geno is in his mid 30s, and will be making $30M+ soon. If they like one of the QBs, not making QB the #1 priority would be "blowing" the pick.

And doesn't sound like he's taking any kind of home discount


View attachment 56620

I have watched both Levis and Richardson. IMO they are not worth the risk at #5. I would be very surprised if the Seahawks do that. If Seahawks want to buy a lottery ticket on one of these guys, do it with the second pick. Personally, I wouldn’t even do that. I’d continue to add to the OL or DL with the first two picks.

 

[Smellyman]

You have to remember Carter was double teamed a LOT in the playoffs, and most of Georgia's games for that matter.

While I don't like the Aaron Donald comparison (Donald had WAY better stats coming out of college than Carter,) I think you have to see that Carter in the playoffs was being double teamed, which freed up his teammates to make plays. Which they did, a lot.

Dude's got some motor/maturity issues. But he is a beast and would be a fantastic anchor in the middle of any defense.

Donald gets doubled by NFL lineman and domintates. If Carter can't beat doubles in college he certainly can't in the NFL

 

[Ozzy]

And no one could blame Geno for not taking a hometown discount.

This ain't Tom Brady on his 14th contract. Geno's been making the league minimum with incentives for most of his career. What? 3M this year?

Dude will, and should go out and get the biggest bag of money someone's willing to give him.

Pete and John know this, but they also know their future isn't tied to Geno Smith either. If 2022 proved anything, it's that they're pretty damn good at scouting and developing QB's to play within their offense. So they're not tied to Geno if some other franchise makes a stupid crazy offer.

I hope he makes 30+ because he’s worked his ass off for a decade. Just because I’m not as high on him as others are doesn’t mean I don’t like the guy or want him to get paid.

You already made the point but all of this keeps pointing to the fact that Seattle has options and most teams picking in the top 5 dont.

 

[massari]

I have watched both Levis and Richardson. IMO they are not worth the risk at #5. I would be very surprised if the Seahawks do that. If Seahawks want to buy a lottery ticket on one of these guys, do it with the second pick. Personally, I wouldn’t even do that. I’d continue to add to the OL or DL with the first two picks.

That's fine, but we're talking about if John Schneider really likes one of them. If he does, it's not a blown pick, and they are worth the risk. Just like if they choose to buy a lottery ticket on Myles Murphy.

 

[James in PA]

And no one could blame Geno for not taking a hometown discount.

This ain't Tom Brady on his 14th contract. Geno's been making the league minimum with incentives for most of his career. What? 3M this year?

Dude will, and should go out and get the biggest bag of money someone's willing to give him.

Pete and John know this, but they also know their future isn't tied to Geno Smith either. If 2022 proved anything, it's that they're pretty damn good at scouting and developing QB's to play within their offense. So they're not tied to Geno if some other franchise makes a stupid crazy offer.

Yep, and don't forget we have some guy named Drew Lock waiting in the wings. Pete and John seem high on him and normally I would say that is coach and GM speak. But after what happened with Geno this year, I'll take them at their word. Lock has all the tools and should only benefit from more time spent in Waldron's system.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

That's fine, but we're talking about if John Schneider really likes one of them. If he does, it's not a blown pick, and they are worth the risk. Just like if they choose to buy a lottery ticket on Myles Murphy.

Schneider is a good GM, but he is not infallible. If a QB is a bust, he is a bust no matter what GM drafted him.

Murphy is far less risk than either of these guys.

 

[Spin Doctor]

I certainly wouldn't turn down Anderson and we should draft BPA at #5. However, is OLB really the huge need that some here think? It feels like a luxury pick.

Nwosu started and played well in all 17 games and should be back as a starter next season.

On the other side, we'll have two second round picks on rookie contracts competing for the job. Taylor had 3 TFL & 4 QB hits through week 12 and then 5 TFL & 9 QB hits over just the last 6 games. I was ready to write him off after week 12 like many, but that's a viewpoint that should be constantly open to new information and his upward trend is both surprising and very encouraging. Taylor reminds me a little of 2021 Crosby who was a liability against the run but then worked himself over the off-season to be a tremendously well rounded player this year.

Boye Mafe also looked good, albeit in small sample sizes, and we did just spend the #40 pick on him so he'll be a much larger part of the plan next year. Lastly, we will get Alton Robinson back who can also kick between OLB and 5 tech DE (6'3" 259lbs).

DE/DT on the other hand clearly needs a lot of help. Poona is a UFA and not likely to return. We may take the 2023 out in Woods contract (3.75m cap savings) due to him turning 36. At DE we have Bryan Mone and Myles Adams as supplemental pieces but not really building blocks. QJeff and Collier were somewhat both disappointing. We do have Harris, but even that is a bit of a question mark as we could move on for the 9m savings if we invested heavily at the position in the draft. We could use a rookie 1 tech, 3 tech, 4i tech and 5 tech so I wouldn't mind two or three of our early picks going here.

That would all hinge on whether they think of Boye Mafe and Uchenna Nwosu future here. Right now our only complete 3-4 OLB is Nwosu. He can do everything you ask of him, buuut he's not an elite pass rusher. He's no slouch there either, but he's definitely a tier below the top guys.

Taylor is only a pass rush specialist at this point. He's absolute garbage when he's in anything other than a pass rushing situation. He's a huge liability against the run and he's incapable of sealing the edge at this point. His pass rushing is also extremely hit or miss. He has one move and that is it. A majority of his sacks and pressures came against depleted lines towards the end of the season. I'm not sold on him as anything other than a situational pass rusher.

Mafe is playing good, but his pass rushing needs a lot of work. He's coming along very well though. He's also good against the run. We also need to keep in mind that one of the hallmarks of the LOB defense was its ability to sub out pass rushers and keep everyone fresh. We had Bennett, Clemons, Avril, and Irvin all in rotation. In Bennett and Irvin's case, they could play multiple roles depending on the down and situation.

Anderson is a special talent. From what I saw, he's is extremely versatile. He can drop into coverage, set the edge, rush the passer and he's got good instincts to blow up things like screens and little checkdowns to the sideline. This guy can do it all. He has the potential to be a Von Miller sort of character.

Even though OLB isn't our biggest need, he's definitely too good of a talent to pass up. Anderson is one of those guys that I believe will be a cornerstone player for any franchise he ends up with.

D-Line is problematic, but honestly -- not too impressed by Carter the more I've watched videos of him. I've heard rumors that there is also a huge drop off between D-Lineman after Carter. I haven't watched the other guys yet.

It might be one of those situations that we have to approach via the free agency for a solid D-Lineman.

 

[Ozzy]

Schneider is a good GM, but he is not infallible. If a QB is a bust, he is a bust no matter what GM drafted him.

Murphy is far less risk than either of these guys.

I’m not sure I agree on Murphy. He has some concerns too and as has been pointed out defensive lineman taken in the top 5 have missed just as often as QBs have.

 

[Sonichound16]

If the Colts trade up with the Bears to get the QB they want, I wonder what it would cost the Hawks to trade with Houston to move up to the #2 and take their pick of Carter or Anderson if they are sold on one of them? Colts take a QB, Hawks take Anderson or Carter, Cardinals take whichever one is left. I don't see the Bears taking a QB at #4 so the Texans would still have their pick of QB's that would have been there at #2.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

I’m not sure I agree on Murphy. He has some concerns too and as has been pointed out defensive lineman taken in the top 5 have missed just as often as QBs have.

I am not saying the Hawks will necessarily draft Murphy. It might be Wilson. Whoever it is, I believe it will be a defensive lineman.

I just see guys like Levis and Richardson as essentially “boom or bust” QB prospects that are too risky to take at #5. Besides, I expect one of them (or equivalent in risk) QB will be on the board at #12, if the Seahawks want to draft a QB in 2023.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Donald gets doubled by NFL lineman and domintates. If Carter can't beat doubles in college he certainly can't in the NFL

As I said, Carter's not Aaron Donald.......just as every other DT in the entire NFL isn't Aaron Donald.

You won't have to worry about Carter, he won't be there at 5.

 

[Grahamhawker]

His injury history is concerning as well as his low stat numbers but the talent and drive is there. He has elite get off speed when one on one and has a great nose for the ball. He's not big enough to play NT in our defense but I think if we selected him he would be moved from DT to DE where he could be lined up one on one with the OT and imo would shine. Similar to how they used Red Bryant on the outside. He's got one thing you can't teach. Motor/drive. He may not be the most physically gifted but he loves to reek havoc. You have similar guys like LJ Collier who are physical specimens but the drive just isn't there. And we know how that story goes. I'll take a pitbull like Bresse over a physically gifted poodle like Collier any day of the week.

I really don't know much about Bresee beyond what I've seen in scouting profiles, etc, but it seems he's pretty gifted physically. One profile lists his main strength as "Amazing physical attributes with elite power and agility for his size" and he made Bruce Feldman's "Freaks List" of superior athletes. His 4.7 40 is 98%ile. I see his motor mentioned as a strength as well. His production numbers post acl though: 10GM/15TT/5.5TFL/3.5SK seem like a huge concern. I don't know enough about the situation to begin to explain all of that. The big unknown is how much of a risk does this make him?

I'd argue Collier had a more average physical ranking (40 in the 4.9s) with no single attribute being really exceptional. These tidbits stand out regarding his profile: "Wowed with his motor and pass-rushing moves at the Senior Bowl" and "Tough, high-motor player who attacks the offensive line". His senior stats: 11GM/42TT/11.5TFL/6.0SK. So Collier did show motor and production; he has sucked because for whatever reason his college game pretty much failed to transfer.

The two ultimately seem like very different players. I think we can agree that another "miss" in the 1st like Collier would be a huge set-back to team needs.