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Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:53 pm
  • Do you think we adjusted already? I haven't screamed at the defense as much, so i decided to check out some stats.

    Pass Defense - Still bottom tier at 32 but the past 3 games, we are actually ranked 5th best. Giants 4th
    Points per game - 23rd overall / last 3 games ranked 8th
    Rush Defense - Ranked 5th overall
    Sacks - Ranked 7th overall, last 3 games 2nd
    Total yards allowed - Ranked 31st but last 3 games 5th overall

    Looks like a top 10 defense the past 3 weeks. Maybe by playoffs, the offense & defense will click at the same time!

    Just note, Giants defense is considered top 10. Giants in the last 7 games are 5-2. The two losses, they lost by combine 3points.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:40 pm
  • Joe Judge is a really good coach. There are only two coaches on the team that talks to the entire team at once, the head coach and the special teams coach. Joe Judge was the teams coach for New England for 5 seasons.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:55 pm
  • Are we talking about the same defense that just gave up 135 rushing yards to Wayne Gallman and couldnt get off the field when they had to in the 4th? Just curious.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:18 pm
  • pittpnthrs wrote:Are we talking about the same defense that just gave up 135 rushing yards to Wayne Gallman and couldnt get off the field when they had to in the 4th? Just curious.


    If you break it down Gallman had 3 carries for 5yrds at half and then on 3 carries in the 2nd half had 96(60,23,13) So the other 10 carries went for 39. I don’t know or understand how they came out so flat but those 3 plays were the damage.

    And even though they coughed it up on those two drives they played much better than the first half of the season, which is the point of the OP I think.

    Not to mention the D did get off the field with a huge stop that gave the ball to Russ with 1:48 and 2 t.o.......should’ve been 3 if Pete didn’t “mismanage” :sarcasm_on:
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:24 pm
  • We've played one of the worst QBs in the NFL at the moment in Carson Wentz, Colt McCoy, another bottom tier QB. We did alright against the Cardinals. Our defense over the last few weeks is fools gold, when we face a competent passer again we're not going to do so hot. The Giants were also able to run on us at will in the second half.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:25 pm
  • Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:Are we talking about the same defense that just gave up 135 rushing yards to Wayne Gallman and couldnt get off the field when they had to in the 4th? Just curious.


    If you break it down Gallman had 3 carries for 5yrds at half and then on 3 carries in the 2nd half had 96(60,23,13) So the other 10 carries went for 39. I don’t know or understand how they came out so flat but those 3 plays were the damage.

    And even though they coughed it up on those two drives they played much better than the first half of the season, which is the point of the OP I think.

    Not to mention the D did get off the field with a huge stop that gave the ball to Russ with 1:48 and 2 t.o.......should’ve been 3 if Pete didn’t “mismanage” :sarcasm_on:


    The Giants possession started with 6 minutes on the clock. I guess better late than never right?
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:39 pm
  • rcaido wrote:Do you think we adjusted already? I haven't screamed at the defense as much, so i decided to check out some stats.

    Pass Defense - Still bottom tier at 32 but the past 3 games, we are actually ranked 5th best. Giants 4th
    Points per game - 23rd overall / last 3 games ranked 8th
    Rush Defense - Ranked 5th overall
    Sacks - Ranked 7th overall, last 3 games 2nd
    Total yards allowed - Ranked 31st but last 3 games 5th overall

    Looks like a top 10 defense the past 3 weeks. Maybe by playoffs, the offense & defense will click at the same time!

    Just note, Giants defense is considered top 10. Giants in the last 7 games are 5-2. The two losses, they lost by combine 3points.



    I think there is more work to be done with the D but I think they are FINALLY gelling a bit... Jury is still out... not looking past the Jet game but the Hawks have 3 really tough games ahead that are going to test this D Washington, the Rams and the Niners who I am NOT looking past at all...


    I think the D has turned for the better... I think Reed has done a really good job at corner I think the D line is playing MUCH better and I think they have a realistic chance to be very good.... much better than the stats for the year say...

    We will see when over the next few games...

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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:49 pm
  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:Are we talking about the same defense that just gave up 135 rushing yards to Wayne Gallman and couldnt get off the field when they had to in the 4th? Just curious.


    If you break it down Gallman had 3 carries for 5yrds at half and then on 3 carries in the 2nd half had 96(60,23,13) So the other 10 carries went for 39. I don’t know or understand how they came out so flat but those 3 plays were the damage.

    And even though they coughed it up on those two drives they played much better than the first half of the season, which is the point of the OP I think.

    Not to mention the D did get off the field with a huge stop that gave the ball to Russ with 1:48 and 2 t.o.......should’ve been 3 if Pete didn’t “mismanage” :sarcasm_on:


    The Giants possession started with 6 minutes on the clock. I guess better late than never right?


    That’s correct.....when you are trailing it is always better to get the ball back than to never get it back.

    You claimed “they couldn’t get off the field when they had to in the 4th”. That was not correct.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:41 pm
  • Snake Oil. Lets see how they perform against a McVay led offense which has seen tape of them playing their newly discovered defense.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:18 pm
  • Not just about stats. It is about delivering when it counts. Hawks a little light on that count.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:05 am
  • pittpnthrs wrote:Are we talking about the same defense that just gave up 135 rushing yards to Wayne Gallman and couldnt get off the field when they had to in the 4th? Just curious.



    yep... we are talking about THAT D right there

    There has been continuing consistent improvement on this D... they aren't done working it out but they are getting better they are starting to gel and they have a legitimate chance to be a one of the best D units in the league over the next 4 games... the Rams and 49er game will be the big games to tell how good they are before the playoffs....

    they put the O in position to win the game..



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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:42 am
  • LTH wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:Are we talking about the same defense that just gave up 135 rushing yards to Wayne Gallman and couldnt get off the field when they had to in the 4th? Just curious.



    yep... we are talking about THAT D right there

    There has been continuing consistent improvement on this D... they aren't done working it out but they are getting better they are starting to gel and they have a legitimate chance to be a one of the best D units in the league over the next 4 games... the Rams and 49er game will be the big games to tell how good they are before the playoffs....

    they put the O in position to win the game..



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    A legitimate chance to be one of the leagues best units over the next 4 games? Lol, come on man. Nobody really believes that except for you.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:40 am
  • Defense has been playing way better the last few weeks. I know people want to get into the "but they played bad offenses", but this defense was giving up 30 PPG before on average, and would let anybody chuck it around and score points, particularly in the fourth quarter, earlier in the season. So what we're seeing right now is promising and is not them just continuing to do that.

    If that defense is improved enough to actually get some stops and the offense wakes up these dudes will finish out strong. I actually feel more optimistic about this team than I did the "Let Russ Cook" version.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:40 am
  • The defense is improving because we have players who are improving.

    Adams - his coverage is getting better, and he's getting sacks
    Diggs - starting to make more plays
    Brooks - he's going to be really good for us. good to finally see a high impact rookie
    DJ Reed - a pleasant surprise - playing well and making plays
    Griffin - still above average, but the secondary is better when he's on the field
    Dunlap - playing well and making players around him better
    Jarran Reed - playing well lately
    Ford - a solid player who has been coming into form this season
    Collier - coming into form this season
    Mayowa - starting to get more pressures lately

    Yes it has been against lower level competition, but nonetheless it is improvement.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:20 am
  • Update Last 3 games for Seahawks Defense

    Pass Defense - Seattle is ranked #1 in Passing yards allowed allowed but overall #32
    Rush Defense - Seattle is ranked #15 in Rushing yards allowed but overall #4
    Sacks - Seattle is ranked #4 overall is ranked #7
    Total yards Allowed- Seattle is ranked #1 in Total yards allowed but overall #27

    I know this was a the Jets but this is what i was looking for, when the offense & defense both click. We are starting to get healthy too.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:07 am
  • Top 10? No. Consider who they have played.

    Bottom 10? Also no. Look at the stats over the last several games.

    Reality, I would say they are between 11th and 16th overall. Of course I would think that since it is where I predicted they would be at the end of the season.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:13 am
  • Playing well, and if they finish middle of the pack, to go along with this offense? Yes please
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:36 am
  • 3 of the worst offenses in the league, 2 are at the bottom.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:44 am
  • They won by 37

    Nothing changes around here.....
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:08 am
  • As far as the stats looking better due to a weaker schedule of offences now, how is that any different than the teams who padded their stats early in the year for playing those same weaker teams?
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:14 am
  • Because apparently, it only applies to the Hawks :?

    The same Hawks who happen to be currently a 5 point favorite this Sunday.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:32 am
  • The test is coming.

    To this point, the defense (recently) has been doing acceptably versus some fairly terrible offenses.

    Good defenses will stop bad offenses though.

    However, bad offenses stop themselves or make it easier for others to stop them too.

    The WFT has a fairly bad offense. We WILL need the defense to be effective in the next games because their defense is going to make it very hard on our offense.

    So let us hope this is a sign that our defense has gotten better rather than just feasting on substandard offenses or terrible QBs.

    We need the defense to good because we have no choice but to win those last 3 games or get right back on the merrygoround as the wild card.

    I am very uncomfortable with how Pete is going to approach the WFT team because he does not like to adjust/adapt to the other team. I have no doubt we won't scheme much to put an offense in place to protect Russ and keep that DL from getting to our QB. So we WILL need the defense to be good enough.

    To say nothing of what it is going to take to beat the Rams.

    I think Norton has done little to cement confidence in him as a DC, but this would be a good 3 game stretch to demonstrate that he can actually be competent and effective. I would be happy to be wrong about him.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:54 am
  • Hoping they continue to pound the rock. And more importantly, quick passing game. Russ was a LOT better on taking what the defense was giving him. Check downs etc. Makes this offense a hell of a lot more dangerous and balanced imo. And against a very good D Line, the quick passing game can counter it.
    A lack of adjustments has been an issue many times this season for this coaching staff. Hopefully they are on it from the get.
    That being said, the Hawks are 5 point favorites for a reason.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:18 am
  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:Are we talking about the same defense that just gave up 135 rushing yards to Wayne Gallman and couldnt get off the field when they had to in the 4th? Just curious.



    yep... we are talking about THAT D right there

    There has been continuing consistent improvement on this D... they aren't done working it out but they are getting better they are starting to gel and they have a legitimate chance to be a one of the best D units in the league over the next 4 games... the Rams and 49er game will be the big games to tell how good they are before the playoffs....

    they put the O in position to win the game..



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    A legitimate chance to be one of the leagues best units over the next 4 games? Lol, come on man. Nobody really believes that except for you.


    I KNOW!!! that's the beauty of the whole thing... when it happens I'm going to look like I'm brilliant.... Sutz and Soulfish will have to peel me off the ceiling...


    Ready guys? GO!


    LMAO!!!


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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:56 am
  • Nothing wrong with hope. I think middle of the road is where they end up at the end of the regular season, and that would be a massive improvement from earlier in the year. I don't see them as a great defense at all. But certainly improving and playing more disciplined. That's what we needed from this team.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:16 am
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Nothing wrong with hope. I think middle of the road is where they end up at the end of the regular season, and that would be a massive improvement from earlier in the year. I don't see them as a great defense at all. But certainly improving and playing more disciplined. That's what we needed from this team.


    Granted.... Jury is still out ... it was only the jets.. but the D line is playing really well right now. Hopefully they get Dunbar back and Dunlap back they have a legit chance to be really good...


    I loved the way the O was running the ball 36/174. Russ taking what the D was giving them, moving the chains... 28 first downs and the big thing controlling TOP Jets 25:32 Hawks 34:28... this helps the D enormously.. keeps those rotations fresh...

    The stats might reflect middle of the road,,, but I believe the stats don't represent the current effectiveness of the D...


    we will see over the next 3 games lets hope the secondary gets better at catching the ball...


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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:18 am
  • There were a few check downs over the middle that really stood out. Like yell at the TV in a good way stand out.
    Was really good to see, and the Receivers helping out in the scramble drills etc.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:46 am
  • Easy to make a Defense look good when you cherry pick which games. Lets see how they do against the Rams. These other games against bad offenses is Meh.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:45 pm
  • RCATES wrote:Easy to make a Defense look good when you cherry pick which games. Lets see how they do against the Rams. These other games against bad offenses is Meh.


    How am i cherrypicking? I posted last 3 games, last week...Posted an update from the last 3 games this week, while still posting overall for the year.

    Is there a site that can show rankings for the last 5 games? That would include the Rams game. Im pretty sure we would still be ranked in the top 10.

    This defense has been very solid when we finally have a healthy defense & chance to actually play together. Right now, the Seahawks last 3 games has given up the fewest points & yards. Making them #1 in the last 3 weeks.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:10 pm
  • We may be relatively healthy compared to the train wreck of injuries earlier in the season but we're certainly not at full strength. Depth is critical in the NFL and our defensive depth has really stepped up this season.

    Against the Jets we were playing without Dunlap, Flowers, Dunbar, Neal and Mone and still had Irvin, Blair, Thorpe, Lano Hill, and Branden Jackson on the IR list. The Jets may be terrible but we beat them in part with good reserve play from guys like DJ Reed, Jayson Stanley, Linden Stephens and Alton Robinson. That matters because there is still room for positive injury luck in the future as we get personnel back, and if we do have a key injury or two in the playoffs then our backups can have some confidence of coming in and playing well.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:19 pm
  • This is why focusing on annual stats is less indicative of what's going on than following the recent trends. Our D is trending upward (in quality, not in stats ;)) and our O looks like it might be climbing out of the mid season dip they experienced. If both D and O are trending up, that bodes well for the next few weeks.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:27 pm
  • They are playing a lot better and disciplined. But, dwelling on how historically bad they WERE playing seems to be the norm. Getting better going in to the stretch run on Defense. Not sure how that's a bad thing, let alone the constant downplaying a good performance. They don't make the schedule. Plenty of other teams feast on crap offenses. Couldn't care less who they are playing, they are playing better on defense overall.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:01 pm
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:They are playing a lot better and disciplined. But, dwelling on how historically bad they WERE playing seems to be the norm. Getting better going in to the stretch run on Defense. Not sure how that's a bad thing, let alone the constant downplaying a good performance. They don't make the schedule. Plenty of other teams feast on crap offenses. Couldn't care less who they are playing, they are playing better on defense overall.


    Exactly!!!!

    Everybody should feel somewhat better about our defense & prospects now than after that Buffalo debacle but it's .NET so whatever.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:47 am
  • Veeery.... body laugh at me when I said, "This defense is going to be Legendary" now you all give credit to our boys, but nobody gives me any creds when I made the correct call on our defense comming together like I knew they would.

    That just suits me fine.

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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:08 am
  • I agree the defense looks much, MUCH, better lately which is a very good sign because I still think our offense has so much potential... if everything clicks at the right time we could win it all... but I'm not as optimistic as I was a few weeks ago. Something seems off again with this team, just not focused the way they should be...

    Even if they are playing well I feel like they are going to do something undisiciplined and lose a close game in the playoffs... I can't put my finger on it...

    I'm kinda torn maybe they should of tried to have fun vs the Jets to bring together... but I'm not sure if that attitude won't carry over to an elimination game and cause some sloppy inexcusable mistakes... we can't be taking 15 yard penalties in the playoffs for excessive celebration for example...

    DK metcalf still doesn't even attempt to high point the ball... that interception was 100% on him and he's running around grabbing cameras getting penalties without even fans around to make it sorta cool... it's just empty stadium him running around like that... he's starting to act like a bit of a stereotypical wide receiver that's self centered in their visible actions...



    The New York Jets and the New York Giants are the bottom 2 teams in the entire league in offensive yards per game...

    The Eagles are the 26th ranked team with offensive production based on yards per game...

    So your whole post is based on our defensive performance on 3 teams that average out to about the bottom 7% of the league Offensively in yards... it doesn't mean anything they are so bad.

    The JETS missed 3 field goals in THE FIRST HALF... if the jets Scored 12 points vs us in the 1st half would you be so excited? Because that's what should of just happened...

    Not to mention our defense dropped like 5 interceptions that were easy to catch for a 10 year old... are they intoxicated???

    I like your overall message for optimism and the defense IS improving but LET'S NOT PUT LIPSTICK ON A PIG QUITE YET...
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:14 am
  • Last 3 games

    Points allowed -Seattle is ranked #1 points allowed and overall ranked #15
    Pass Defense - Seattle is ranked #3 in Passing yards allowed allowed but overall #32
    Rush Defense - Seattle is ranked #16 in Rushing yards allowed but overall #3
    Sacks - Seattle is ranked #8 overall is ranked #6
    Total yards Allowed- Seattle is ranked #2 in Total yards allowed but overall #26

    Wow so the last 3 games, Seahawks Defense #1 points allowed & #2 Total yards allowed.

    Seahawks has been the best defense last 4 games. Probably top 5 last 6 games.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:47 am
  • People can try to downplay it as much as the want. Doesn't change the FACT that they are playing a lot better the last month or so....
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:15 pm
  • Last 3 games

    Points allowed -Seattle is ranked #1 points allowed and overall ranked #13
    Pass Defense - Seattle is ranked #9 in Passing yards allowed allowed but overall #32
    Rush Defense - Seattle is ranked #4 in Rushing yards allowed but overall #5
    Sacks - Seattle is ranked #6 overall is ranked #7
    Total yards Allowed- Seattle is ranked #4 in Total yards allowed but overall #23

    So the Seahawks defense has only given up an average of 9points in the last 3 games. The best in the NFL. They been in the top 10 in pretty much 2nd half of the season.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:37 pm
  • rcaido wrote:Last 3 games

    Points allowed -Seattle is ranked #1 points allowed and overall ranked #15
    Pass Defense - Seattle is ranked #3 in Passing yards allowed allowed but overall #32
    Rush Defense - Seattle is ranked #16 in Rushing yards allowed but overall #3
    Sacks - Seattle is ranked #8 overall is ranked #6
    Total yards Allowed- Seattle is ranked #2 in Total yards allowed but overall #26

    Wow so the last 3 games, Seahawks Defense #1 points allowed & #2 Total yards allowed.

    Seahawks has been the best defense last 4 games. Probably top 5 last 6 games.


    Ever since that second half of the Rams game in week 10 until now, Seattle has been a top 5 overall Defense, Maybe top 3.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:45 pm
  • nah, we don't deal in facts here
    We just dwell on how the defense was playing a month and a half ago, and somehow ignore that they have had a massive improvement :irishdrinkers:
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:56 pm
  • How did that defense look tonight? How some can be so fooled is beyond me.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:15 pm
  • Gave up a respectable 23 against a great offensive coach. Not bad considering they were on the field constantly due to a loudly offensive game play and poor play causing 3 & outs constantly.
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Re: Seattle Defense Top 10
Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:22 pm
  • pittpnthrs wrote:How did that defense look tonight? How some can be so fooled is beyond me.


    Honestly, I thought for the most part they were as expected- about average. I didn’t expect them score this many points and our DLine was completely outclassed all game- but 23 pts isn’t horrible. It’s a TD more than I expected- but not horrible. Our Offense looked more the reason than our defense.

    Again, our effense looked a LOT more the reason than our defense.
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