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Is it SB or bust?
Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:55 pm
  • What do we need to do to consider this season a success? Is this a Super Bowl or bust type year? Personally, considering that we took back the division, I would consider the season a success if we make the NFC title game.

    With that said, it would be a lie to say I am not a little concerned for our future. We made a big commitment to winning now by trading those picks for Adams and Carson, Adams, Shaq, and more all have contracts expiring in the next 1-2 years. They will want to be paid big and we can't keep them all. With our top picks gone and cap space getting eaten, is our SB window closing? We will always be competitive with Russ and Pete on this team, but I am a little nervous for the future.

    Put it all to bed and win it this year. That's all I want is another Hawks SB win for Pete and Russ. So they can finally put to bed the demons of that pick on the 1 yard line.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:26 pm
  • Divisional round at worst. I could be OK with that if the loss is in a hard-fought effort.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:03 pm
  • The Adams deal was huge by way of the what he cost the Hawks future . I gave up thinking about SB hopes before post season many years ago . Getting out of the SF game in the injury cursed stadium in AZ worries me more right now .
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:18 pm
  • I think getting to the Super Bowl would be a big accomplishment. I think they need to take the next step and win at least 2 playoff games.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:18 pm
  • xray wrote:The Adams deal was huge by way of the what he cost the Hawks future . I gave up thinking about SB hopes before post season many years ago . Getting out of the SF game in the injury cursed stadium in AZ worries me more right now .

    Hawks haven’t drafted well for the most part in recent years.

    The strategy now is, trade picks and raid other teams unhappy players and hope they fit Carroll’s scheme.

    Fingers crossed!
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:23 pm
  • I'm waffling between making it to the divisional round or the NFCCG as being what I consider a very good season. Hard to say. We certainly don't need to make the Super Bowl to consider the season successful, but it would obviously be nice.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:36 pm
  • I have a hard time looking at it on a season-be-season basis. If Russ starts clicking, and the defense keeps up the progress, it'd be hard to be pleased with anything less than the NFC Championship.

    I see it as the Hawks should win at least 1-2 more 'Owls during Russ's tenure. Anything less would be a disappointment (especially for Russ).

    I wonder about the front office's ability to keep Russ after his current deal if they don't make a significant bid for a championship in the next couple of seasons.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:50 pm
  • I'm always a SB or bust, moreover, I'm a Lombardi or bust type of fan. Since 1976, the only time an NFL season has ended in which I achieved total satisfaction was in February of 2014.

    Realistically, I think we survive our first round game but will lose in the divisional round or the NFCCG. I can't see anyone stopping the Packers.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:55 pm
  • RiverDog wrote:I'm always a SB or bust, moreover, I'm a Lombardi or bust type of fan. Since 1976, the only time an NFL season has ended in which I achieved total satisfaction was in February of 2014.

    Realistically, I think we survive our first round game but will lose in the divisional round or the NFCCG. I can't see anyone stopping the Packers.

    Erin folds like a house of cards if he has to play from behind. If we start off aggressive on offense and also blitz heavily and creatively at the beginning, we could take a nice lead and never have to look back.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:24 pm
  • Yes, it is. There's no reason to think they can't win it all with the pieces they have in place now, and the way they are playing in general. Many less talented teams than the Hawks have won the SB. This is the year they turn the corner. This isn't the time for half measures or timidity. If not now, when? Time to go all in!
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:35 pm
  • Obviously I always want to win the Super Bowl. But there are varying degrees of successful seasons in the NFL. For this season to be a success for the Seahawks, I think we need to see some progress. We haven't made it past the division round since 2014. We need to at least reach the NFC title game for me to call it a successful season.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:00 pm
  • Every fan will have his or her own expectation on this question, and it drives much of the disagreement on this board.

    Each milestone has it's own degree/level of satisfaction for me. My expectations are rather low, as this is a tough league in which to play. Winning means everything comes together at the same time (health, roster, execution, play-calling, coaching, refs, ball-bounce, etc.)

    1. Have a winning season? Accomplished this year, and some teams didn't. My expectation at a minimum has been met.
    2. Win the division. If there's a 1 in 4 chance based on the number of teams in the division alone, then getting it once every 4 years would an appropriate expectation. We've won it more often than that in the last 20 years, so I'm pretty happy with the regular season generally.
    3. High seed in the playoffs. Always been nice to get a bye in previous years, but it hasn't happened often for us. We still have a chance this year, and I'll be thrilled with 1st seed, and quite happy with 2nd or third.
    4. Win a playoff game. This puts us in the top of the league. If we make postseason, I expect to win one game to be satisfied as a fan. It's hard to win in the post-season.
    5. Make it to the NFCCG. That's a bonus for me.
    6. Win NFCCG and go to super bowl. Beyond any expectations in any year, but always what I hope for.
    7. Win super bowl. Cloud 9. So very hard to do, especially with the same coach and QB. The dream of every fan, and never an expectation.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:01 pm
  • Winning the Super Bowl is the perfect outcome, but that doesn't mean anything less than a Super Bowl win is without value.

    Some fans work themselves up with nonsense about "SB or bust" because they feel bad about enjoying "meaningless" wins. They really shouldn't be so hard on themselves.

    We all loved that win against the Rams last week and that will remain true whether we win this Super Bowl or not. Some enjoyment is better than no enjoyment, and there is even enjoyment to be had in terrible seasons if you can also play spoiler for a rival or see potential in your team that gives you hope for the future.

    There have been many great memories over the years besides just the 2013 Super Bowl. Pretending that you feel the same way about every possible outcome other than a Super Bowl win isn't believable, but if I did believe it then I'd feel sorry for you.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:05 pm
  • Anything else will be disappointing. It always is. That's natural.

    Once the air of disappointment wears off, I think it'll be hard to consider the season a failure, by any stretch. Another fantastic record, and we'll see what happens in the postseason.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:24 pm
  • I tend to not talk like that, because it implies if we don't win the SB, then we should tear everything down and start over from scratch. Obviously, we won't do that no matter what outcome. It's still the most successful regime in team history.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:26 pm
  • Erebus wrote:Obviously I always want to win the Super Bowl. But there are varying degrees of successful seasons in the NFL. For this season to be a success for the Seahawks, I think we need to see some progress. We haven't made it past the division round since 2014. We need to at least reach the NFC title game for me to call it a successful season.


    Same
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:39 pm
  • Just getting to the Super Bowl or winning it? I think one playoff win would be great. If we can win two that’s a bonus. If cards fall right I don’t think we can beat GB or NO. I could be wrong...we didn’t lose 5 in a row...
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:51 pm
  • zchurch74 wrote:Just getting to the Super Bowl or winning it? I think one playoff win would be great. If we can win two that’s a bonus. If cards fall right I don’t think we can beat GB or NO. I could be wrong...we didn’t lose 5 in a row...


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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Wed Dec 30, 2020 8:03 pm
  • I think the progression of the defense to an actual working component in the game is a factor in the season being satisfactory. As a previous poster said, we beat the Rams and that is no small task. They have always had our number and it has not been glorious.

    For working points....I would hope for at least a Conference game to be decided in Seattle or New Orleans by both teams. Other than that, It was several hours of entertainment.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Wed Dec 30, 2020 8:41 pm
  • In my opinion, these are the four best teams in the NFC,

    Packers.....12-3, #1 Offense 31.6 PPG, #16 Defense 23.5 PPG, +121 point differential
    Saints........11-4, #4 Offense 29.9 PPG, #8 Defense 22.0 PPG, +119 point differential
    Seahawks..11-4, #7 Offense 28.9 PPG, #13 Defense 23.2 PPG, +85 point differential
    Bucs..........10-5 , #4 Offense 29.9 PPG, #7 Defense 21.9 PPG, +120 point differential

    Standings and point differential taken from here,
    https://www.nfl.com/standings/

    Team stats taken from here,
    https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/t ... e/dir/desc
    Yes, I use points per game instead of yards per game because I think ppg are a much better measure than yards when ranking offenses and defenses. I really don't care how many yards an offense racks up if they aren't scoring points, and I really don't care how many yards a defense is giving up if they aren't allowing points.

    Packers, Saints, and Bucs all have top 5 offenses, and the Seahawks come in not far behind at #7. However, the Seahawks offense has taken a step or two back in the 2nd half of the season. The same can't be said for any of these other 3 teams in my opinion.

    The Saint and Bucs both have top 10 defenses that have been consistently good for the most part (every team has hiccups) over the entire season. The Packers D has been consistently middle of the pack for the most part over the entire season. The Seahawks D started out absolutely horrible, but has improved tremendously over the past 7 weeks or so.

    Interestingly, the Packers, Saints, and Bucs all have nearly identical point differentials at right about +120. While the Seahawks still have a very respectable point differential of +85, that still lags quite a bit behind the other 3 teams.

    Obviously, there are dozens of others factors to consider, but I'm not going to get into each and every one in this post. To sum it up, at the end of the day, I keep coming to the conclusion that we are probably the 4th best team in the NFC behind the Packers, Saints, and yep, even the Bucs. Hopefully no one strokes out over that last one. I do think it's fairly close and I do think the Seahawks are capable of beating any of those teams, I just think it's fair to say that those teams are probably a bit better than we are.

    So having said all that, back to the original question "What do we need to do to consider this season a success?"
    The #1 priority of any team is to win the division. We've done that. There is some measure of success in that, in my opinion.

    Next up would be winning a playoff game. At this point it looks like we're most likely going to be the #3 seed which would mean that we would be playing the #6 seed at home. Losing that game would be awfully disappointing and I think it would be fair to call that a failure. Winning would be some small measure of success, it's a playoff game after all, but this is one that we should win, so... yeah.

    Then we have the divisional round. I think the most likely divisional matchups are Bucs@Packers and Seahawks@Saints. If we went into N.O. and beat the Saints in the playoffs, I'd have to consider that a pretty big success. If we lost that game I'm not sure I'd consider losing to a better team on the road in the playoffs a failure. As a Seahawks fan, of course it would be disappointing, but a failure? Not sure I could go that far.

    Anything beyond the divisional round I'd have to consider a pretty big success, since as I've explained, I think we're most likely going to be playing better teams on the road going forward after the wildcard round.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:01 pm
  • A Divisional playoff win makes this season a success. Nobody should be demanding a SB.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:03 pm
  • TwistedHusky wrote:A Divisional playoff win makes this season a success. Nobody should be demanding a SB.


    But the team won its division in regular season play. Why isn't that a successful "season"?
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:15 pm
  • Getting to the divisional is what I expect.
    Getting to nfccg would be real special b/c we haven't been there for so long.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:50 pm
  • To me SB or bust applies to teams like the Saints who have to blow it up after the season or KC since they won it last year and are the consensus best team in the NFL to most everyone. Any team not in those 2 categories can't logically have a SB or bust monicker attached to them
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Thu Dec 31, 2020 7:39 am
  • RiverDog wrote:I'm always a SB or bust, moreover, I'm a Lombardi or bust type of fan. Since 1976, the only time an NFL season has ended in which I achieved total satisfaction was in February of 2014.

    Realistically, I think we survive our first round game but will lose in the divisional round or the NFCCG. I can't see anyone stopping the Packers.


    RolandDeschain wrote:Erin folds like a house of cards if he has to play from behind. If we start off aggressive on offense and also blitz heavily and creatively at the beginning, we could take a nice lead and never have to look back.


    We're historically a slow starter. I can't remember the last time we scored a TD on our opening drive.

    The Packers have won 7 of their last 8, including last week's decisive win over a very good team in the Titans in inclement weather that was supposed to have favored the running of Derrick Henry, and kept him under 100 yards. Aaron Rodgers has thrown just 5 picks all season and is favored to win his 3rd MVP. They get HFA they're going to be tough to beat on the frozen tundra.

    I'm both an optimist and a realist. I like what we've seen recently, particularly defensively, and we're relatively healthy and are getting some key players back for our playoff run, so I see us in a better position than we were at this time of the year last season. But the competition is about to get A LOT better.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Thu Dec 31, 2020 8:15 am
  • RiverDog wrote:
    RiverDog wrote:I'm always a SB or bust, moreover, I'm a Lombardi or bust type of fan. Since 1976, the only time an NFL season has ended in which I achieved total satisfaction was in February of 2014.

    Realistically, I think we survive our first round game but will lose in the divisional round or the NFCCG. I can't see anyone stopping the Packers.


    RolandDeschain wrote:Erin folds like a house of cards if he has to play from behind. If we start off aggressive on offense and also blitz heavily and creatively at the beginning, we could take a nice lead and never have to look back.


    We're historically a slow starter. I can't remember the last time we scored a TD on our opening drive.

    The Packers have won 7 of their last 8, including last week's decisive win over a very good team in the Titans in inclement weather that was supposed to have favored the running of Derrick Henry, and kept him under 100 yards. Aaron Rodgers has thrown just 5 picks all season and is favored to win his 3rd MVP. They get HFA they're going to be tough to beat on the frozen tundra.

    I'm both an optimist and a realist. I like what we've seen recently, particularly defensively, and we're relatively healthy and are getting some key players back for our playoff run, so I see us in a better position than we were at this time of the year last season. But the competition is about to get A LOT better.


    There was this one time at Band Camp......... :twisted:

    I dont recall either tho. We start very slow to try to take the game and control the game by our defense. This year has been a progression.

    Have a Happy Seahawks New Year all.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Thu Dec 31, 2020 8:33 am
  • The team is peaking at about the right time. The teams with the toughest fight in the playoffs tend to win it all. We will have a tough fight to get there for sure but I'm in it for the ride either way. Each season is unique and I don't worry about the future composition of the team until the season's over.
    As for the draft choices we lost for Adams. I say we totally fleeced the Jets. The lack of college football played this year,and likely next, will make this upcoming draft a bigger crap shoot that usual. Plus we always draft near the end and usually trade down. We have some good young talent and they're getting better as they get more playing time. Every team faces the cap. Winning is expensive.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Thu Dec 31, 2020 8:52 am
  • I'm pretty happy with this season. I enjoyed 11 wins so far. Only had to watch 4 losses to date.

    But success comes in degrees. If u look at my job, I don't consider success to be the top guy in my profession. That would be great of course but to put that degree of pressure on myself will only lead to misery. So being good at what I do is what I consider success. Being able to provide for my family so we can enjoy a comfortable worry free lifestyle is a success. But not being number 1 shouldn't be the only definition of success.

    So every season we make the playoffs is a success. Every playoff win is a success. Every divisional championship is a success. They are all just relative. Winning a SB is a joy that so far has been a once in a lifetime event. More like marriage and birth of your child. Whereas playoffs and divisional championships are more like a great vacation or special anniversary
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Thu Dec 31, 2020 9:09 am
  • RiverDog wrote:We're historically a slow starter. I can't remember the last time we scored a TD on our opening drive.

    The Packers have won 7 of their last 8, including last week's decisive win over a very good team in the Titans in inclement weather that was supposed to have favored the running of Derrick Henry, and kept him under 100 yards. Aaron Rodgers has thrown just 5 picks all season and is favored to win his 3rd MVP. They get HFA they're going to be tough to beat on the frozen tundra.

    I'm both an optimist and a realist. I like what we've seen recently, particularly defensively, and we're relatively healthy and are getting some key players back for our playoff run, so I see us in a better position than we were at this time of the year last season. But the competition is about to get A LOT better.


    I assume you're talking about in the playoffs because the Seahawks scored a TD on their opening possession at least 5 or 6 times this season including the Jets in week 14 & both Arizona games & the first Rams game & that's just off the top of my head.

    Edit: Just looked it up & they did it 6 times. They also scored on their opening drive of the season against Atlanta, I remember thinking this was a good sign for the season, & in week 4 against the Dolphins.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Thu Dec 31, 2020 9:32 am
  • Welshers wrote:What do we need to do to consider this season a success?


    I'll take any year where the team isn't clawing for a playoff spot on week 17, especially needing help from other teams, or worse.

    That means the team is competitive and fun to watch on a weekly basis.

    We all want to see more than that, and if you have some specific goals involving which playoff games they win that's fine.

    But I feel bad for the people who are absolutely miserable unless this team is winning Super Bowls, and of course blowing teams out every week on the way there. Or to put it another way: they're almost always miserable. Enjoy what you can now, you never know when the next decade full of no playoff berths is coming. I don't watch sports to be angry.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Thu Dec 31, 2020 9:39 am
  • Hockey Guy wrote:
    RiverDog wrote:We're historically a slow starter. I can't remember the last time we scored a TD on our opening drive.

    The Packers have won 7 of their last 8, including last week's decisive win over a very good team in the Titans in inclement weather that was supposed to have favored the running of Derrick Henry, and kept him under 100 yards. Aaron Rodgers has thrown just 5 picks all season and is favored to win his 3rd MVP. They get HFA they're going to be tough to beat on the frozen tundra.

    I'm both an optimist and a realist. I like what we've seen recently, particularly defensively, and we're relatively healthy and are getting some key players back for our playoff run, so I see us in a better position than we were at this time of the year last season. But the competition is about to get A LOT better.


    I assume you're talking about in the playoffs because the Seahawks scored a TD on their opening possession at least 5 or 6 times this season including the Jets in week 14 & both Arizona games & the first Rams game & that's just off the top of my head.

    Edit: Just looked it up & they did it 6 times. They also scored on their opening drive of the season against Atlanta, I remember thinking this was a good sign for the season, & in week 4 against the Dolphins.


    Also just looked it up & the last time they scored a TD on their opening drive in a playoff game was against Atlanta in 2016 so they're on a 3 game streak of not scoring a TD on their opening drive in the playoffs.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:06 am
  • The answer is yes. We traded 2 first round picks for Adam's essentially going all in with our HOF quarterback and HOF head coach who are getting older. Our window isn't closing per season but we're on the back side of it.

    Winning only 1 superbowl but having such long term success can be debated when this run is over just like is Peyton Manning run in indy a success w only 1 ring....
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Thu Dec 31, 2020 11:39 am
  • If they lose on Sunday, and then go 1 and done in the playoffs, I will still consider this year a success for the Hawks. Football is entertainment, and in a year where I sorely needed the distraction, they have exceeded and succeeded way above what I expected. Anything else is gravy.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:26 pm
  • gowazzu02 wrote:The answer is yes. We traded 2 first round picks for Adam's essentially going all in with our HOF quarterback and HOF head coach who are getting older. Our window isn't closing per season but we're on the back side of it.

    Drafting well gives your team a "Super Bowl window" while those players on rookie contracts, and trading for Adams counts as drafting given the two first round picks involved. However, we've also done well with personnel besides Adams over the last couple of years and that can sustain success indefinitely as long as we don't play excessive games with the salary cap, which we haven't (yet).

    Obviously a lot will depend on this off-season, as it should, because that's what makes the NFL exciting to follow year in and year out. But take a look at the following value cap hits in 2021:
    Insane value: Metcalf for $1.2m, DJ Reed for $0.9m
    Great value: Cody Barton, Rasheem Green, Ugo Amadi, Damien Lewis, Will Dissly, Tre Flowers, Michael Dickson, Jamarco Jones, Alton Robinson, Colby Parkinson, Deejay Dallas, Phil Haynes for ~$1m each
    Good value: Blair for $1.7m, Collier for $3m, Brooks for $2.7m, Diggs for $5.5m, Shell for $5.5m, Lockett for $12m

    There is a lot of value in that group of players and we should continue to be good so long as we can keep replenishing it.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:16 pm
  • AgentDib wrote:
    gowazzu02 wrote:The answer is yes. We traded 2 first round picks for Adam's essentially going all in with our HOF quarterback and HOF head coach who are getting older. Our window isn't closing per season but we're on the back side of it.

    Drafting well gives your team a "Super Bowl window" while those players on rookie contracts, and trading for Adams counts as drafting given the two first round picks involved. However, we've also done well with personnel besides Adams over the last couple of years and that can sustain success indefinitely as long as we don't play excessive games with the salary cap, which we haven't (yet).

    Obviously a lot will depend on this off-season, as it should, because that's what makes the NFL exciting to follow year in and year out. But take a look at the following value cap hits in 2021:
    Insane value: Metcalf for $1.2m, DJ Reed for $0.9m
    Great value: Cody Barton, Rasheem Green, Ugo Amadi, Damien Lewis, Will Dissly, Tre Flowers, Michael Dickson, Jamarco Jones, Alton Robinson, Colby Parkinson, Deejay Dallas, Phil Haynes for ~$1m each
    Good value: Blair for $1.7m, Collier for $3m, Brooks for $2.7m, Diggs for $5.5m, Shell for $5.5m, Lockett for $12m

    There is a lot of value in that group of players and we should continue to be good so long as we can keep replenishing it.



    The thing about the adams trade is its not just 2 first round picks we gave up. Its more like 5 to 8 lower round picks since seattle always trades down multiple times. Is it the right move? If we win the super bowl yes. Definitely. If we don't then extend adams to the highest safety salary ever maybe not.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:14 pm
  • A good point was made about the playoffs in terms of Divisional Playoff round.

    If we lose to the Saints, it would be hard to call this season a failure.

    However, if we lose in the wildcard as a likely #3 to the likely #6, then it would be hard not to call it the same.


    I am hoping for the Saints but the wildcard game concerns me. Completely winnable though.


    However, while not a failure - it couldn't be called a success either if we lose to the Saints.

    Because the point is to advance, to show progress. Progress for this team would be to finally win a divisional playoff game...something it has failed to do since the SB loss.

    Admittedly we have already made some progress. We went from looking like a pathetic laughingstock in divisional playoff games since our SB loss (where we were down multiple TDs at halftime each time), to actually playing a reasonably close game last time.

    But with this QB and this roster, it would make no sense if we could do little more than beat wildcard teams for all the time we had a great elite QB in his prime, after our SB loss. We don't need to win a conference playoff game, but we should still at least make one every now and then. Falling short the way we usually do would be a disappointment. Especially considering how much we mortgaged our future to make a run this year (as pointed out by another poster).
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Thu Dec 31, 2020 5:23 pm
  • The problem with thinking this team has to show improvement over last year is the lack of continuity of many players on the team. There are certainly some major players continuing -- RW, Carson (when healthy), Lockett, Metcalk, Brown on offense, BWags, KJ, Shaq, some of the D-Line on defense.

    But we've had a lot of turnover, too, and that means it's not the same team. This is a new year with new challenges. Emphasizing continuity as a basis for raising the bar of success is neither logical nor appropriate.
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:57 am
  • Ad Hawk wrote:Every fan will have his or her own expectation on this question, and it drives much of the disagreement on this board.

    Each milestone has it's own degree/level of satisfaction for me. My expectations are rather low, as this is a tough league in which to play. Winning means everything comes together at the same time (health, roster, execution, play-calling, coaching, refs, ball-bounce, etc.)

    1. Have a winning season? Accomplished this year, and some teams didn't. My expectation at a minimum has been met.
    2. Win the division. If there's a 1 in 4 chance based on the number of teams in the division alone, then getting it once every 4 years would an appropriate expectation. We've won it more often than that in the last 20 years, so I'm pretty happy with the regular season generally.
    3. High seed in the playoffs. Always been nice to get a bye in previous years, but it hasn't happened often for us. We still have a chance this year, and I'll be thrilled with 1st seed, and quite happy with 2nd or third.
    4. Win a playoff game. This puts us in the top of the league. If we make postseason, I expect to win one game to be satisfied as a fan. It's hard to win in the post-season.
    5. Make it to the NFCCG. That's a bonus for me.
    6. Win NFCCG and go to super bowl. Beyond any expectations in any year, but always what I hope for.
    7. Win super bowl. Cloud 9. So very hard to do, especially with the same coach and QB. The dream of every fan, and never an expectation.



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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Sat Jan 02, 2021 4:20 pm
  • Well. Definitely no to the poster's question. At the beginning of the year I didn't think we would win the division. At the midpoint I didn't think we would win the division. Now hear we are sitting on top of the vaunted NFC West. Wow! Probably a 12 win season coming our way. The defense is kickin butt again. I'm ecstatic right now. Hmm, could the postseason derail that ecstasy? Yeah, it could. I need one win for sure and the divisional round has to at least be a close one.

    There are 32 teams. Wow! That's quite a feat to be on top of the heap. Being a Seahawks fan is a pretty darn good place to be and it has been since Pete came to town. Imagine being a Browns fan last week after they lost to the Jets instead of clinching their first playoff berth in eons. Imagine being a 9ers fan this season or the Patriots! I think we have some great football to enjoy in the coming weeks. At home, since I can't really go to a sports bar. Now that is a disappointment. Thanks guys. Let's enjoy the ride!
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:03 pm
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Re: Is it SB or bust?
Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:28 pm
  • No , not Super Bowl or bust. Unless fit hits the shan, there will be a 2021 NFL season and the Seattle Seahawks will be an NFL franchise that gets to participate in that season. So if they don't win it all this season, they'll get another shot next time around, and we'll still get to sit and watch them at home, at the bar, or at the stadium, same as always.
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