IndyHawk wrote:Some of the stuff in here..You'd have thought we lost..

Yes, further manifestations of the NWB Syndrome. NWBS.

LTH wrote: not sure where you get your info from but your wrong...


LTH

Ok.

Nunya wrote:

John63 wrote:

Nunya wrote:

John63 wrote:how do you know the intent was not to run? you dont, there were at least 1 I can think of where he hit his back foot and then ran immediately.

Easy. Watch the O-Line. If they push forward, it is a design run play. If they hold the line or even drop back, it is a pass play.

Bring up the play you are talking about and we can discuss, but I doubt it was intended that RW scramble from the start.

not true at all. with the advent of running QBs often times oline will act like they are pass blocking so as not to give away it's a run, and the QB picks the best place to run.

Not on a design QB run they don't. They may not push forward immediately, but they do not drop into a pocket protect....especially if the QB is going to start his run once his back foot hits the ground as you claim happened. On QB draws, the OLine normally holds in place for a 2-3 count and then releases. Also, you will also often see the RB run through the hole first if the backfield isn't empty.

Honestly though, do you really believe the play you are talking about was a design QB run???

actually yes they do exactly what I said it has been discussed alot over the eyar son numerous shows adn ESPN adn other sites.

sutz wrote:Yeah, there were several series where we went pass, pass, SACK, punt.
It wasn't just the run game that wasn't working, but throwing like that helps nothing other than the other team. The trick is to avoid 3rd and long, not guarantee it.

FIFY.

Nunya wrote:Not quite following you.

If a good QB is only given a limited amount of pass plays, I would say THAT is putting them on a "leash".

However, NO NFL coach is going to design plays or routes that will intentionally hamper or hold back their QB. That is a ridiculous concept.

I know you're right, it's just that it SEEMED that way at times on Sunday. It was like Russell kept looking deep, only deep, running out of time, and getting sacked.

I don't know if that's because the route combinations being called didn't have short and medium check-downs, or if the Rams covered them, or if Russell was so dead-set on hitting DK deep that he didn't use them. It seemed it wasn't until the 4th quarter that Russell started throwing to TEs, RBs, and WRs on shorter routes, and we started moving the chains and scoring.

Was the 3rd qtr 3-and-out futility caused more by Russell's decision-making on where to throw, or Schotty's play-calling?

WE were missing 50% of our starting line, RT Shell and LG Iupati. Brown and Iupati are a formidable duo on the left side when running the ball. Could that have made a difference?

IndyHawk wrote:Some of the stuff in here..You'd have thought we lost..

no - i didn't say i thought we lost - genuinely happy for the win. I think we gave the the chance to win due to some dumb play calling in a couple of quarters. I'm not really that negative about it other than the fact that: if we're going to run Pete ball. Fing fun Pete ball. Use the run to setup the pass. Don't disconnect the entire process to hand them a chance and pull heroics at the end to win. Play the first half like the 4th quarter, and then you don't have to wonder woman the 4th quarter. But I'm not the first person to say that. We clearly could have lost that game, admittedly to no effect, but why give them the chance. If you're going to lose - rest the starters.

Also, I'm not the first person to say that; there's a couple/few too many times when it's 'that's working - so let's stop doing it'.

TreeRon wrote:WE were missing 50% of our starting line, RT Shell and LG Iupati. Brown and Iupati are a formidable duo on the left side when running the ball. Could that have made a difference?

IIRC it's Jordan Simmons who fills in for Iupati at G. Simmons is actually a beast in the run game, but not as good a pass blocker as Iupati. We definitely miss Shell when he's not in, he's been very steady for us.

olyfan63 wrote:

TreeRon wrote:WE were missing 50% of our starting line, RT Shell and LG Iupati. Brown and Iupati are a formidable duo on the left side when running the ball. Could that have made a difference?

IIRC it's Jordan Simmons who fills in for Iupati at G. Simmons is actually a beast in the run game, but not as good a pass blocker as Iupati. We definitely miss Shell when he's not in, he's been very steady for us.

Iupati's been known as road grader since he came into the league. Frankly the knock on Iupati, even in his All Pro years, was his pass blocking. It's never been BAD, not his forte.

Iupati is the second highest graded lineman behind Damian Lewis.

Iupati's pff grade 67.8
Jordan Simmons' 51.6

"Seattle’s best combo of Brown-Iupati-Pocic-Lewis-Shell has only played five games together." (SB Nation)