Geno Isn't the Guy. Sad to Say (Main)

[balakoth]

My limited X O knowledge/logic tells me that's even more of a reason to try more deception, instead of continually trying to to ram it down their throat. I just don't think Pete's bowels would ever allow it.

[Cam'Ron] PAUSE [/Giles]

No I get it... we tried a ton.. but kinda how i eluded in my post.. when it wasn't time to throw the wrinkle... when it was we went to standard base lets see if we can go somewhere with no roads

 

[balakoth]

Not anymore. His numbers will tank after this game.

An Even More Fun Fact: Sacks and pressure are largely a QB stat, not an O-Line stat.

Geno needs to get the ball out and go through his progressions quicker.

If he isn't willing to dance, stop holding the ball.

They are largely a subjective stat based on more advanced metrics than the base though.. You have to admit that.

With Lucas and maybe something better at RG at the bare min and it would have been a much different ball game IMO

 

[knownone]

Not anymore. His numbers will tank after this game.

An Even More Fun Fact: Sacks and pressure are largely a QB stat, not an O-Line stat.

Geno needs to get the ball out and go through his progressions quicker.

If he isn't willing to dance, stop holding the ball.

His efficiency will likely go up after this game. His QBR might go down a bit because of the interceptions, but I don't think the second interception was his fault.

Okay, but the protection rate is an O-Line stat, and the Seahawks rank 31st. If you want pressures, Geno was pressured on 50% of his dropbacks against Cincy.

 

[Fade]

They are largely a subjective stat based on more advanced metrics than the base though.. You have to admit that.

With Lucas and maybe something better at RG at the bare min and it would have been a much different ball game IMO

KJ Wright in his post-game breakdown talked about how Lockett and JSN were both wide open on separate plays in the red zone, but Geno was stuck staring down Metcalf. They called Geno, terrible. Because he was.

If Geno could see the field it also would've been a much different game, he's getting paid the big bucks to do just that.

Better O-Line doesn't help as much as you would think. He has to stop pre-determining where he's going with the ball, and get the ball out quicker while scanning the field 1, 2, 3.

All O-Lines are trash in the NFL currently. There isn't much difference between them. 1-32 sounds like a huge diff. In realty, 1 is more like 20, and half the league has the 32nd ranked O-Line.

 

[seahawks08]

Geno had a bad day, and bad days like this cost you home field advantage and when you don’t have home field advantage, you are normally one and done if you make it to the playoffs. So while I have all the respect for Geno, you can’t give away games like this, two interceptions and a play calling that is not efficient in the red zone is the difference between good teams and great teams. The defense did wonders except for two drives. Waldron needs to stick to some running packages and Geno was holding the ball too long instead of moving around a bit.

 

[12forlife]

Are you a Michigan fan?

If we're gonna target a QB, I would try to trade up for Drake Maye. Chicago could end up with the top 2 picks. In that case, make a deal for the 2nd pick.

I also like Penix. But he doesn't have the upside of Maye.

Leonard is more of an athlete than QB imo.

I am a Michigan fan, but I feel as a Hawk fan JJ is just what we need, he is as accurate as u get coming outta college, has good size, can run & hurt teams with his legs, runs a pro style O, and doesn't get to high/low on big or bad plays.
Now if we want to Pony Up and try and get Maye @ #2 I'm all for it.
Penix could be good but I believe he is almost 25? Plus not very mobile, and has 2 ACL injuries, and isn't very mobile, that usually equals trouble?
Agreed Leonard is a lil more project, just an option I like if we don't get aggressive and move up. See a lil Josh Allen in him?

 

[CactusJack]

Penix could be good but I believe he is almost 25? Plus not very mobile, and has 2 ACL injuries, and isn't very mobile, that usually equals trouble?

Penix is 23. So he's a year or two older than most guys who come out. But it's not really a deal breaker. Penix has an NFL arm. The only downside is his medical history.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Geno led the league in turnover worthy plays last year. He had a lot of interception luck and it appears to be running out.

He isn't progressing as a passer, instead a regression back to what he's always been is taking place for everyone to see.

This is very disappointing as he has been surrounded by the most talented offense the Seahawks have ever put on the field.

He just doesn't see the field, he pre-determines where he's going with the ball pre-snap.

If he guesses right? Success, as he is a very talented and accurate thrower.

If he guesses wrong? Disaster. Throwing into coverage, or doesn't pull the trigger for the sack due to not trusting what he is seeing.

This is what he was with the Jets. The Seahawks have better weapons and the rules favor QBs more than back then so his numbers will look better, but this not good.

The Seahawks are at a point where there is no question they must take a QB in the upcoming draft, AND consider moving on from Smith to save CAP as Geno is not worth his ballooning salary numbers going forward.

It's Geno did you not expect regression to the mean? Thank God the Seahawks did but now the issue is you better take your shot John my suggestion is Spencer Rattler. Fully makes plays and wins with a shit team.

 

[Fade]

Hey yo, what is kind of funny to me.

Is all of the folks complaining about Wilson holding the ball, scapegoating him, etc. back in the day.

At least that dude made plays, was productive, and won games in the 4th Qtr. That is why I didn't mind him holding the ball longer than he should. He was a playmaker with it.

Geno is holding the ball for what?

I don't feel like him holding the ball any longer is going to create a big play.

Geno just kind of freezes up, and I am just hoping he avoids disaster.

Contrasted with Wilson, the longer he held it, the feeling was a really big play was about to happen.

When Geno gets the ball out quick to the intermediate area of the field is when I am most confident with him.

But the question I have is, why aren't those same folks upset with Geno for holding the ball, and in some cases are staunchly defending him? He is getting worse returns than Wilson ever did holding it.

 

[hgwellz12]

 

[Fade]

It's Geno did you not expect regression to the mean? Thank God the Seahawks did but now the issue is you better take your shot John my suggestion is Spencer Rattler.

I expected him to improve actually.

The Seahawks have supplied him with even more weapons, and he was going into his 2nd season starting in the same system.

But none of that matters if you pre-determin where you're going with the ball pre-snap.

But yeah, things are looking bad for him if you take away the first half of last season. Since then, he is continuing to trend down.

 

[hoxrox]

Geno got rid of the ball quick against Detroit. This was against a blitz happy team too. He was more mobile that game too.

Because he had one game where he held the ball too long, does not make it a tendency, like Russ Wilson.

 

[Throwdown]

Hey yo, what is kind of funny to me.

Is all of the folks complaining about Wilson holding the ball, scapegoating him, etc. back in the day.

At least that dude made plays, was productive, and won games in the 4th Qtr. That is why I didn't mind him holding the ball longer than he should. He was a playmaker with it.

Geno is holding the ball for what?

I don't feel like him holding the ball any longer is going to create a big play.

Geno just kind of freezes up, and I am just hoping he avoids disaster.

Contrasted with Wilson, the longer he held it, the feeling was a really big play was about to happen.

When Geno gets the ball out quick to the intermediate area of the field is when I am most confident with him.

But the question I have is, why aren't those same folks upset with Geno for holding the ball, and in some cases are staunchly defending him? He is getting worse returns than Wilson ever did holding it.

Can you come up with any other game where Geno did this?

This game gave me Russ PTSD, and not the good kind. But I don’t remember geno ever doing this before

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Penix is 23. So he's a year or two older than most guys who come out. But it's not really a deal breaker. Penix has an NFL arm. The only downside is his medical history.

I'm so happy people are getting it before he really costs even more ridiculous money. At this point just pay Lock 10 million and stop the bullshit and take your shot John or just fire everyone and start over Jodi or better yet sell you bitch.

Just don't draft Penix or Nix if you don't I won't call for your head and still believe you mostly know your job.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

At least finally we have a book on Purdy it only took almost 25 games good on you Shanahan that is some top tier coaching. And I guess the Shanahan injury bug is starting so all isn't lost yet.

 

[EverydayImRusselin]

The biggest reason to move on IMO, is with his contract value, the Hawks will now enter the purgatory of the teams who are fielding Kirk Cousin's, Ryan Tannehill, Derek Carr, Daniel Jones, etc. Slightly above average to below average QBs who keep you near the playoffs but without a chance to win anything.

That is a huge waste of the last 2 draft classes and even more so once you have to start re-signing guys like KW, Mafe, Lucas, Woolen, etc. Who are all eligible for new deals after next season.

 

[WarHawks]

Geno had a bad game. So did Russ when he was here. So do all QBs. I think this team can make a playoff run with Geno. I also think that requires the roster being healthy because he can’t elevate JAGs, just maximize the talent on the field. He’s limited. He’s also an above average starter that we shouldn’t rush to get rid of because the upgrade to Geno is an elite QB, and how many of those are in the league right now?

It's not just one bad game. His first game against the Rams was abysmal, with 3 yds in the 2nd half. He can't score in the red zone. Saying he's even above average is very generous at this point. 32 year old leopards don't change their spots.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I can honestly say that I didn't have an ounce of faith in Geno on that last drive. Geno AND Shane, actually.

And you're not the only one. He had SEVERAL chances to win this game. He played like absolute Garbage. He's a stand up guy though, took the blame for it in post game. Horrible decisions, holding on to the ball like he was gonna' cuddle it. This is just like that stretch last year. He has a chance, several times, and can't put the game away. He's the Quarterback, that's his job. I think he's above average. But it's real clear that if you pressure him, he's not near the QB we have seen when the O Line is blocking well.
I realize that some will just refuse to call it like they see it when it comes to Geno. But, come on. Watch the game again, there were SEVERAL occasions that guys were wide open in the end zone. Several. His field vision is a joke sometimes. I said what I said.
My seats are in the end zone, and people in our section are often screaming that a guy is wide open. He just doesn't have good field vision.
I hope to be wrong and he gets it rolling again, but damn. That Pick in the corner was pathetic. What are you even thinking man?

 

[Xxx]

Turnovers is a big one. Geno should have been picked 3 or 4 times. Burrow completed about 20 consecutive passes. And we benefitted from a couple of big drops on third down. Cincy also seemed to let off the gas at strange times.

And cinci had poor clock management and gave us a whole extra drive with weird timeouts and crap at the end…

 

[Titus Pullo]

Geno just doesn't inspire anyone.