Ok. QBOTF. Who/when/where/why & how?

[SoulfishHawk]

He's a lot better scrambler than people give him credit for. His offense doesn't call for it. Until recently, he was back there cooking up steaks. And if you decide to blitz him, good luck. IF he makes it thru back-to-back years w/out missing a game, hopefully for him that will take away some of the injury concerns. Hard to tell how a college guy will do in the NFL, it always has been. But I can't wait to see what he does.

 

[xray]

Let's start with the basics and go from there....

1. Size (over 6'2" & 200lbs)
2. Accuracy
3. Arm Strength
4. Mobility
5. Leadership

6. Unflappable under fire .

 

[renofox]

If PCJS had any intention of drafting a QB with a legitimate shot to be the QBOTF, they would have done so in the 2023 draft. I was really hopeful, and somewhat convinced, they would select one of my three choices. #1 Stroud, #2 Richardson, or #3 Levis. All three appear to have great potential as their skills are transferring to solid play in the NFL.

They could have easily moved up to get #1 or #2, and #3 was there with the 20 pick or even trading down to 32.

I am now convinced they will never draft a suitable QB. Instead, I think we'll see something along the lines of:

2024 Geno
2025 Lock
2026 Lock
2027 Fields/Jones/Love/etc
2028 Fields/Jones/Love/etc
2029 Fields/Jones/Love/etc

Yes, my worst nightmare is that the team is not sold and PCJS "run it back for one more year!" until PC is 85.

I just hope I live long enough to see the next iteration of the Seahawks.

 

[12AngryHawks]

Cam Ward & Michael Pratt are a couple QB's that intrigue me. They're day 3 projections at this point, and that's if they declare for the draft.

 

[CalgaryFan05]

If PCJS had any intention of drafting a QB with a legitimate shot to be the QBOTF, they would have done so in the 2023 draft. I was really hopeful, and somewhat convinced, they would select one of my three choices. #1 Stroud, #2 Richardson, or #3 Levis. All three appear to have great potential as their skills are transferring to solid play in the NFL.

They could have easily moved up to get #1 or #2, and #3 was there with the 20 pick or even trading down to 32.

I am now convinced they will never draft a suitable QB. Instead, I think we'll see something along the lines of:

2024 Geno
2025 Lock
2026 Lock
2027 Fields/Jones/Love/etc
2028 Fields/Jones/Love/etc
2029 Fields/Jones/Love/etc

Yes, my worst nightmare is that the team is not sold and PCJS "run it back for one more year!" until PC is 85.

I just hope I live long enough to see the next iteration of the Seahawks.

I'd agree with your initial statement - They certainly made the rounds this year for doing 'nothing' about it.

This thread was born from my "face up against the petshop window looking at the puppy it would be nice to adpot" during the Texans comeback on Sunday. Up until that point I was seriously MEH about the entire QBOTF 'thing'.

And the original title of this thread was (covers face bracing for blowback): "Would you trade DK to get the draft capital to actually draft the QBOTF?". Which really wasn't intended to slag DK - I believe he's just the highest valued player that we could involve in a transaction that would get us the draft capital. I don't think 16's gonna be around for long enough to get much out of anything with him.

So, it wasn't entirely "Who's your fav college player?" - it was some of that - but I was just as interested in the mechanics/what you'd give up/and possibly some free agent targets that might come up in the next 'while' -

There's one person who I KNOW has an opinion on this one.....

 

[oldhawkfan]

QBOTF? Simple the closer you get to the draft! Malik Willis anyone? How many clamored for him prior to the ‘22 draft? Every single year there are 1-3 guys who fans think is the savior and want to trade the entire draft for.
I clearly remember back in about 2011 that PC and JS said they weren’t going to chase the QB position. They said they wanted it to come to them.
They will not over draft the position. There also isn’t a magic QB tree where you can just go pick an all world can’t miss guy.
Look at the teams that keep trying this method. The Cardinals drafted Kyler Murray and Josh Rosen in back to back years. How’s that worked out for them?
When will the Seahawks draft an all world QB? No idea. I’ve been waiting since 1976. Wilson was the closest thing to a home run at QB but I highly doubt he would have been what he was in Seattle anywhere else.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I wouldn’t mind Bo Nix.

He's going in the top 10-15.

Penix is probably a more probable pick with where the Hawks will be picking.

But again, Pete and John's track record with QB's is mid rounds to non-existent. I don't think they're interested in a rookie QB.

 

[Wheetie]

I'd really like to see Lock get a legitimate shot, even sooner than later. If he plays himself our of the opportunity so be it, but his athleticism really intrigues me, and he made some really nice mid field throws in preseason. Maybe he's a bust, or maybe he'll be a pleasant surprise, but I'd be shocked if his upside doesn't surpass Geno from what I've seen from him so far this year. He also seems to be an easy guy to root for and that rates pretty high on my list of wants.

 

[Seahawkfan80]

I'd really like to see Lock get a legitimate shot, even sooner than later. If he plays himself our of the opportunity so be it, but his athleticism really intrigues me, and he made some really nice mid field throws in preseason. Maybe he's a bust, or maybe he'll be a pleasant surprise, but I'd be shocked if his upside doesn't surpass Geno from what I've seen from him so far this year. He also seems to be an easy guy to root for and that rates pretty high on my list of wants.

I agree. But my caveat is that Smiff needs to start this week. Lock could start the following week or go in the 4th quarter this week just to get his football legs under him. Smiff needs to bounce back to retrieve his confidence so he can prove he still has it.

 

[Titus Pullo]

6. Unflappable under fire .

7. Health

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

Currently, Penix, I’ve seen him go as high as pick 15 and as low as Round 2 somewhere.

I am a Dawgs fan and I will admit but I’d like to see Penix do some quick hits and dissect a defense with a bunch of short throws all over the field.

I know this dude that can throw the deep ball but how teams are playing Seattle is playing deep safeties to prevent the deep ball.

I’d like to see the Seahawks use what the defense gives them and quickly dissect a defense sitting in off coverage with some Tom Brady like distribution of the ball to quick slants, drags, and tight option routes.

I think if Penix can prove he can also play the quick game, the Seahawks can be very dangerous with him. Of course, saying this, Seattle would probably just use him to throw the deep ball and that’s it. Cause they don’t believe in the short throw game as they would rather run it for 4 yards anyways. So what the hell do I know.

But since you ask, the local kid, Michael Penix Jr would be a great pick for Seattle as he checks all the boxes.

1. Overcome Adversity
2. Measurables and cannon arm
3. Leadership and coolness under pressure
4. Wins big games (you can’t tell me beating Oregon wasn’t a clutch moment)
5. Comes from offense similar to Seahawks offense (throw it deep)

What’s not to like with Penix Jr? Plays very similar to CJ Stroud if you ask me. And Stroud just shredded for 4 TDs this weekend!

 

[sutz]

Penix is shaking off the "injury prone" label in his 2nd injury free year, so far at least. And he hasn't really been playing scared or tentavely, so that is mostly behind him, I think.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Penix is our best bet. He will fall to us, because of the previous physical issues and age.
He isn't a running QB, but doesn't need to be because he has a good feel for pressure and he gets the ball out quick. Look at his sack #s, he doesn't get sacked.
Marino wasn't mobile either, but he sensed pressure well and got rid of the ball before pass rushers could reach him.
Penix won't be an All Star, likely, but he will likely be what we were hoping Geno was going to be for us. Which is what we need.
(ie a guy that gets the ball out quickly, can read defenses, and can put the ball exactly where it needs to be on long passes)

Someone is going to get Bo Nix, but I hope it isn't us. He does great with the lead and he is a solid QB in the 1st half of games. But he falls apart under pressure, and worse - doesn't produce under pressure.
(Penix had terrible #s under pressure too, but when he has to make a play - he does. Nix doesn't. Pretty much ever.) Nix looks great in games where they have a lead of 2+ TDs though, but in the NFL in closer games? He will be the opposite of Captain Comeback.
No thank you on Nix. Best case he is a crappier Herbert that doesn't produce in the clutch. Worse case is much worse.

 

[AnimeAmore]

This is not an anti Geno thread. This is not an anti-'anyone' thread. I firmly believe that Geno is an above average QB with a busted Oline, shitty playcalling, and no time to throw at the moment. I believe that all these things are correctable - whether they will be corrected or not.

Whether 12, 24, or 36 months from now, it's inevitable that the Hawks will need someone to replace Mr. Smith.

I do not follow college ball - just don't have the headspace and/or time to do so.

Who do you want? When should it go down? How do we amass the draft capital that it will take? Who would we trade to amass this draft capital? How much should we pay? Is this a draft acquisition or a pricey veteran trade?

I don't have the answers - and I don't even have tendencies towards answers. But I'm sure some people have a plan -

Anyone?

Edit: and this assumes that it's 'not Lock'. Which I don't even have a big enough sample size on to even judge. He's a valid vote if you wanted - I just need more info if it is.

For our QBOTF we can use our 2nd round pick in 24....oh wait, we used that for a rental player to go for it all this year.

 

[AnimeAmore]

QBOTF? Simple the closer you get to the draft! Malik Willis anyone? How many clamored for him prior to the ‘22 draft? Every single year there are 1-3 guys who fans think is the savior and want to trade the entire draft for.
I clearly remember back in about 2011 that PC and JS said they weren’t going to chase the QB position. They said they wanted it to come to them.
They will not over draft the position. There also isn’t a magic QB tree where you can just go pick an all world can’t miss guy.
Look at the teams that keep trying this method. The Cardinals drafted Kyler Murray and Josh Rosen in back to back years. How’s that worked out for them?
When will the Seahawks draft an all world QB? No idea. I’ve been waiting since 1976. Wilson was the closest thing to a home run at QB but I highly doubt he would have been what he was in Seattle anywhere else.

I fully support refusing to trade a whole draft to move up and gamble the team's future on one player, but the Hawks have refused to draft anyone who did "come to them". The Hawks haven't been shy about overdrafting RBs and using 1st round picks on head-scratchers, but when it comes to QB they simply refuse to pull the trigger.
They no longer have to worry about hurting Russell's feelings by drafting a QB, but they still don't do it. I can easily see them not drafting a QB in 24, and their excuse will be a lack of draft picks and other positions being a "greater need".

If Geno is the QB in 24 then they would need to improve a lot of other positions to be real contenders.

 

[BASF]

If PCJS had any intention of drafting a QB with a legitimate shot to be the QBOTF, they would have done so in the 2023 draft. I was really hopeful, and somewhat convinced, they would select one of my three choices. #1 Stroud, #2 Richardson, or #3 Levis. All three appear to have great potential as their skills are transferring to solid play in the NFL.

They could have easily moved up to get #1 or #2, and #3 was there with the 20 pick or even trading down to 32.

I am now convinced they will never draft a suitable QB. Instead, I think we'll see something along the lines of:

2024 Geno
2025 Lock
2026 Lock
2027 Fields/Jones/Love/etc
2028 Fields/Jones/Love/etc
2029 Fields/Jones/Love/etc

Yes, my worst nightmare is that the team is not sold and PCJS "run it back for one more year!" until PC is 85.

I just hope I live long enough to see the next iteration of the Seahawks.

You keep saying we could have easily moved up, but I don't believe that is the case. We were not going to give up what the Panthers did (the package was too much) and both the Texans and Colts got who they coveted and would not have traded out. That leaves Arizona. You believe that they would have traded with us? Why would they trade with their in division rival so we would be able to draft (the only other first round QB was Richardson) a QBOTF? Richardson is a two year project and would not have been worth the package of picks it would have taken.

Levis is an interesting situation. Definitely has some attributes and talent, but did not play well last year. Everyone says, the talent around him was poor, but they also say they want a QB that elevates the talent around him. Can't have it both ways. We also didn't get a shot at him in the second round as he went six picks before us.

 

[GemCity]

He's going in the top 10-15.

Penix is probably a more probable pick with where the Hawks will be picking.

But again, Pete and John's track record with QB's is mid rounds to non-existent. I don't think they're interested in a rookie QB.

Penix would work for me! I just think, even with the injury history, he’s going to go a lot higher than folks think.

I see him being the 2nd or 3rd QB taken.

For the first time this year, I watched him play (vs USC) and thought there’s no way he makes it out of the first round.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Just watch some of his throws against Oregon the last 2 seasons. Cold blooded. And with the game on the line.

 

[CactusJack]

Penix is the most logical one. But I think the majority of teams are going to red flag him (ACL's).

Therefore, I see him not getting picked until maybe the 3rd round.

As far as Bo Nix is concerned, he's a mid-round prospect with very little upside. Nothing more.

It's likely that both Sanders & McCarthy don't declare & decide to stay in school for another year.

My prediction is that Caleb & Maye will be the top two guys off the board. But then it won't be until day 2 of the draft that the next QB gets taken. The Hawks as usual, don't take one.

Ultimately, I think they ride with Geno for another year. But probably decide to move on after 2024.

 

[Wheetie]

I agree. But my caveat is that Smiff needs to start this week. Lock could start the following week or go in the 4th quarter this week just to get his football legs under him. Smiff needs to bounce back to retrieve his confidence so he can prove he still has it.

I agree. I'm still disappointed Lock didn't play the 4th quarter in Baltimore. Makes zero sense to me