Amazing game by Russell Wilson today

[John63]

I can see why YOU would say that. . .

Yeah I know how dare i use facts.

 

[McGruff]

You think your stats make you obliviecient, but they don't.

What ever you say. Admin

When he got to the other side, he climbed a hill and sat down, surrounded by his disciples.

 

[John63]

You think your stats make you obliviecient, but they don't.

What ever you say. Admin

When he got to the other side, he climbed a hill and sat down, surrounded by his disciples.

Yeah you may be an admin but your not the messiah.

 

[erik2690]

Fact. Holds the ball longer than anyone. Verifiable. Fact. Always near the top of the league in sacks. If you were to try to decipher if someone had trouble reading zone coverages, aren’t those EXACTLY what you would look at?

Where are these FACTS you keep bragging about providing?

Wait why would those stats be more relevant than things like Passer Rating against zone coverage? LOL. Sacks can happen in zone or man. The passer rating stat cited is specific to the thing you're talking about. I can't see how that wouldn't be more relevant.

 

[erik2690]

You think your stats make you obliviecient, but they don't.

What is this word supposed to be b/c I don't think that's a word. And no you don't get to be a top10 worst rushing attack in the history of the league b/c your HOF trajectory QB played slightly less efficient football. That's not how that blame works at all.

 

[John63]

You think your stats make you obliviecient, but they don't.

What is this word supposed to be b/c I don't think that's a word. And no you don't get to be a top10 worst rushing attack in the history of the league b/c your HOF trajectory QB played slightly less efficient football. That's not how that blame works at all.

Its not, but I figured why bother.

 

[KiwiHawk]

Fact. Holds the ball longer than anyone. Verifiable. Fact. Always near the top of the league in sacks. If you were to try to decipher if someone had trouble reading zone coverages, aren’t those EXACTLY what you would look at?

Where are these FACTS you keep bragging about providing?

Wait why would those stats be more relevant than things like Passer Rating against zone coverage? LOL. Sacks can happen in zone or man. The passer rating stat cited is specific to the thing you're talking about. I can't see how that wouldn't be more relevant.

Sacks is not one of the components of passer rating. It couldn't be less relevant in a discussion about sacks.

 

[erik2690]

Fact. Holds the ball longer than anyone. Verifiable. Fact. Always near the top of the league in sacks. If you were to try to decipher if someone had trouble reading zone coverages, aren’t those EXACTLY what you would look at?

Where are these FACTS you keep bragging about providing?

Wait why would those stats be more relevant than things like Passer Rating against zone coverage? LOL. Sacks can happen in zone or man. The passer rating stat cited is specific to the thing you're talking about. I can't see how that wouldn't be more relevant.

Sacks is not one of the components of passer rating. It couldn't be less relevant in a discussion about sacks.

I feel like you've missed something b/c your comment doesn't make sense. Tical is through this thread arguing Wilson doesn't do good against zone coverages. Someone posted a stat that Wilson had the highest passer rating against zone coverage of any QB in the league, seems pretty relevant to a disscussion about if he's good against zone. Instead Tical says the stats that prove he's bad against zone are TTT and sacks. I'm saying both of those things happen against zone and man coverage so aren't really direct links at all to his point about zone coverage. However the passer rating stat cited earlier was specifically about vs. Zone coverage therefore more relevant. I was in no way saying that sacks were part of passer rating. So yeah, the overarching discussion was about zone coverage reading not sacks as you said. Tical is just saying that sacks being high is a stat that proves his point about Russ vs. zone, that's were the sacks talk came from.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Wow, glad I decided to stop banging my head against the wall trying to argue about Russ. Well, at least I'm trying to :lol:

It's not worth the effort. All a matter of opinion I guess. If people choose to no see how good this guy is and has been, you're not going to change their minds. It is what it is.

 

[Tical21]

Fact. Holds the ball longer than anyone. Verifiable. Fact. Always near the top of the league in sacks. If you were to try to decipher if someone had trouble reading zone coverages, aren’t those EXACTLY what you would look at?

Where are these FACTS you keep bragging about providing?

Wait why would those stats be more relevant than things like Passer Rating against zone coverage? LOL. Sacks can happen in zone or man. The passer rating stat cited is specific to the thing you're talking about. I can't see how that wouldn't be more relevant.

Because let's say you drop back against zone 10 times. Take two sacks. Scramble and run twice. Scramble around for a while and throw two balls away. Hit two dumpoffs, and one goes for a touchdown. Throw two 50/50 balls to Lockett, one of which gets caught, the other goes incomplete. You're now 3/6 for 60 yards and have a league-leading passer rating of 125.

 

[McGruff]

Fire.

Tical bringing the obliviescence.

 

[HawkStrong]

Fact. Holds the ball longer than anyone. Verifiable. Fact. Always near the top of the league in sacks. If you were to try to decipher if someone had trouble reading zone coverages, aren’t those EXACTLY what you would look at?

Where are these FACTS you keep bragging about providing?

Wait why would those stats be more relevant than things like Passer Rating against zone coverage? LOL. Sacks can happen in zone or man. The passer rating stat cited is specific to the thing you're talking about. I can't see how that wouldn't be more relevant.

Because let's say you drop back against zone 10 times. Take two sacks. Scramble and run twice. Scramble around for a while and throw two balls away. Hit two dumpoffs, and one goes for a touchdown. Throw two 50/50 balls to Lockett, one of which gets caught, the other goes incomplete. You're now 3/6 for 60 yards and have a league-leading passer rating of 125.

Isn't this true for every quarterback? Wouldn't a QB that is good against zone not have so many non-factor plays, thus a higher rating?

What a strange hypothetical that doesn't actually prove anything.

 

[McGruff]

Fact. Holds the ball longer than anyone. Verifiable. Fact. Always near the top of the league in sacks. If you were to try to decipher if someone had trouble reading zone coverages, aren’t those EXACTLY what you would look at?

Where are these FACTS you keep bragging about providing?

Wait why would those stats be more relevant than things like Passer Rating against zone coverage? LOL. Sacks can happen in zone or man. The passer rating stat cited is specific to the thing you're talking about. I can't see how that wouldn't be more relevant.

Because let's say you drop back against zone 10 times. Take two sacks. Scramble and run twice. Scramble around for a while and throw two balls away. Hit two dumpoffs, and one goes for a touchdown. Throw two 50/50 balls to Lockett, one of which gets caught, the other goes incomplete. You're now 3/6 for 60 yards and have a league-leading passer rating of 125.

Isn't this true for every quarterback? Wouldn't a QB that is good against zone not have so many non-factor plays, thus a higher rating?

What a strange hypothetical that doesn't actually prove anything.

Passer rating isnt impacted by sacks or runs.

 

[Seymour]

Fact. Holds the ball longer than anyone. Verifiable. Fact. Always near the top of the league in sacks. If you were to try to decipher if someone had trouble reading zone coverages, aren’t those EXACTLY what you would look at?

Where are these FACTS you keep bragging about providing?

Bullshit!

Last year he was 3rd longest at 3.02, mostly due to extending plays and the lack of a short passing game and long developing routes they prefer to run. This year with them opening up the short passing game like most every other QB is being graded with...he has the fastest TT (time to throw) in the NFL!!! :177692:

Just stop with the too short, I'll find something bad in his game BS. :roll:

 

[SoulfishHawk]

If he's running for his life AND trying to extend plays, isn't that naturally going to add to the time he "holds the ball" though? Just sayin

 

[McGruff]

Fact. Holds the ball longer than anyone. Verifiable. Fact. Always near the top of the league in sacks. If you were to try to decipher if someone had trouble reading zone coverages, aren’t those EXACTLY what you would look at?

Where are these FACTS you keep bragging about providing?

Bullshit!

Last year he was 3rd longest at 3.02, mostly due to extending plays and the lack of a short passing game and long developing routes they prefer to run. This year with them opening up the short passing game like most every other QB is being graded with...he has the fastest TT (time to throw) in the NFL!!! :177692:

Just stop with the too short, I'll find something bad in his game BS. :roll:

Against the Bengals in game one, Wilson was 27th by my count in time to throw.

Just saying let's see if this short passing attack is a one game wrinkle or a new development.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Fingers, legs, toes and other stuff crossed that it IS going to be a trend. When he's getting thrashed back there in -2 seconds a play, go to that quick passing game. It resulted in 3 straight touchdown drives on Sunday.

 

[McGruff]

If he's running for his life AND trying to extend plays, isn't that naturally going to add to the time he "holds the ball" though? Just sayin

So would being slow to read zones make it more likely that the pressure gets there forcing him to run.

My perception is similar to Tical based on what I see with my eyes. But there is no way to quantify it.

 

[Seymour]

Fact. Holds the ball longer than anyone. Verifiable. Fact. Always near the top of the league in sacks. If you were to try to decipher if someone had trouble reading zone coverages, aren’t those EXACTLY what you would look at?

Where are these FACTS you keep bragging about providing?

Bullshit!

Last year he was 3rd longest at 3.02, mostly due to extending plays and the lack of a short passing game and long developing routes they prefer to run. This year with them opening up the short passing game like most every other QB is being graded with...he has the fastest TT (time to throw) in the NFL!!! :177692:

Just stop with the too short, I'll find something bad in his game BS. :roll:

Against the Bengals in game one, Wilson was 27th by my count in time to throw.

Just saying let's see if this short passing attack is a one game wrinkle or a new development.

Doesn't matter!!

The point is, this is not as much on Wilson as being shoved down our throat by someone bent on finding fault as much as it is on play calling that goes against the league standards other QB's are being graded with.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Not even worth the effort. The guy can't win, regardless how well has played his entire career. Let alone on Sunday.
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