naholmes":uup04e4x said:At what cost? At the cost of Ricardo Lockette, who could probably be signed to the practice squad.
Tokadub":2gsp17uf said:Funny how everyone is writing off Rice already. If hes healthy he could make the team and even be one of our top receivers with ease.
I think the battle between Kearse and Rice for playing time could be very competitive. I dont think Kearse is a lock by any means. Could even throw in Chris Mathews into that mix just not sure if hes fast and smooth enough for the NFL.
I also have a really good feeling about Norwood i think he could be perfect for our offense.
So overall a very nice draft but im still very concerned about our Oline pass protection.
Hasselbeck":270zd0e3 said:Kearse isn't getting cut in favor of a guy that hasn't been healthy in 2 years and missed significant time every season but one.
Good point. Rice is younger--although only a couple of months--with more experience and arguably better skills.SeaTown81":3lebt105 said:I just wanted to mention this because I've seen on a few occasions fans acting like Sidney Rice is washed up, while Ricardo Lockette is some sort of upside potential guy worth keeping over him.
Sidney Rice: September 1, 1986 (age 27)
Ricardo Lockette: May 21, 1986 (age 27)
Lockette is older! Rice has been in the league longer because he came out of college after his sophomore year.
The only knock on Rice is his injury issues. His contract is no longer of concern. IF healthy he is a highly valuable piece to this offense. One of the more skilled receivers they have. And currently the only 6'4" option at the position.
Pretty silly how many fans are writing this dude off. He'll need to prove he's healthy, sure. But it seems a lot of people are writing him off even if healthy. Really don't get it.
They never liked the contract seperate from the injuries and keep forgetting the contract is a non-issue now because it completely destroys their point of view. And Lockette being the same age pretty much says to me that he is a lock to make the roster unless an anvil falls from the sky and smashes him if he is at all healthy.SeaTown81":2n44u3rq said:I just wanted to mention this because I've seen on a few occasions fans acting like Sidney Rice is washed up, while Ricardo Lockette is some sort of upside potential guy worth keeping over him.
Sidney Rice: September 1, 1986 (age 27)
Ricardo Lockette: May 21, 1986 (age 27)
Lockette is older! Rice has been in the league longer because he came out of college after his sophomore year. Heck, Rice is only 3 years older than Kevin Norwood. Dude isn't some old washed up receiver.
The only knock on Rice is his injury issues. That is a real issue. His contract is no longer of concern. IF he's able to come back from his ACL (and a lot of players are these days), he is a highly valuable piece to this offense. One of the more skilled receivers they have. And currently the only 6'4" option at the position. Teams have to defend him differently than they do everyone else we have.
Pretty silly how many fans are writing this dude off. He'll need to prove he's healthy, sure. But it seems a lot of people are writing him off even if healthy. Really don't get it.
haroldseattle":2gydgh0t said:Rice was on pace for a 34 catches, 528 yards, and 7TD year before tearing his ACL last year. Nothing to write home about. Now is going to have to recover from a ACL, lots of players struggle the year after tearing a ACL. IMO Rice is going to struggle to make the roster. The one thing he has going for him is his size, but if that doesn't translate to results on the field, he'll be a roster cut, because of his injury history and not being useful on ST. Seahawks just have better options this year.
SeaTown81":3c9b7bch said:haroldseattle":3c9b7bch said:Rice was on pace for a 34 catches, 528 yards, and 7TD year before tearing his ACL last year. Nothing to write home about. Now is going to have to recover from a ACL, lots of players struggle the year after tearing a ACL. IMO Rice is going to struggle to make the roster. The one thing he has going for him is his size, but if that doesn't translate to results on the field, he'll be a roster cut, because of his injury history and not being useful on ST. Seahawks just have better options this year.
Since when do Seahawks wr's get big numbers worthy of you holding those numbers against Rice?
[b]Had Sidney Rice ended the season with 7 TD's, he would've LED THE TEAM[/b]. Baldwin, Tate, & Miller tied for the lead last year with 5 a piece. Yards and catches would've been 3rd behind Baldwin and Tate. And once again let's reiterate that we're talking about a team that finished in the bottom 3 for passing attempts last year where NOBODY puts up big receiving numbers. So by all means, illustrate how useless and replaceable Rice is with offensive production statistics.
Maybe Rice will have trouble with his injury recovery. That is something that can be said for any player returning from an ACL (more and more are coming back in record time, btw). But beyond that, some of you guys are going to need to get over past the "bust" label you've branded Rice with. So he didn't live up to his free agent deal. So what? He's not making a ton of money anymore. If healthy, the guy can contribute to the team. But whatever. Let's just dump the 6'4" 27 year old wide receiver with starting experience for some fringe special teamer because bitchy fans turned on the guy for not meeting their all-pro expectations. Yeah, that sounds about right.
I will say for the millionth time. If he's not recovered fully, it's an entirely different story. But I know a "the fans have made their mind up via lazy group-think and found their scape goat" when I see it. It's fairly easy to spot. It generally happens when a player doesn't live up to a lofty contract. The fans get mad, make up their mind, and will never be convinced otherwise.
haroldseattle":3g6sunko said:SeaTown81":3g6sunko said:haroldseattle":3g6sunko said:Rice was on pace for a 34 catches, 528 yards, and 7TD year before tearing his ACL last year. Nothing to write home about. Now is going to have to recover from a ACL, lots of players struggle the year after tearing a ACL. IMO Rice is going to struggle to make the roster. The one thing he has going for him is his size, but if that doesn't translate to results on the field, he'll be a roster cut, because of his injury history and not being useful on ST. Seahawks just have better options this year.
Since when do Seahawks wr's get big numbers worthy of you holding those numbers against Rice?
[b]Had Sidney Rice ended the season with 7 TD's, he would've LED THE TEAM[/b]. Baldwin, Tate, & Miller tied for the lead last year with 5 a piece. Yards and catches would've been 3rd behind Baldwin and Tate. And once again let's reiterate that we're talking about a team that finished in the bottom 3 for passing attempts last year where NOBODY puts up big receiving numbers. So by all means, illustrate how useless and replaceable Rice is with offensive production statistics.
Maybe Rice will have trouble with his injury recovery. That is something that can be said for any player returning from an ACL (more and more are coming back in record time, btw). But beyond that, some of you guys are going to need to get over past the "bust" label you've branded Rice with. So he didn't live up to his free agent deal. So what? He's not making a ton of money anymore. If healthy, the guy can contribute to the team. But whatever. Let's just dump the 6'4" 27 year old wide receiver with starting experience for some fringe special teamer because bitchy fans turned on the guy for not meeting their all-pro expectations. Yeah, that sounds about right.
I will say for the millionth time. If he's not recovered fully, it's an entirely different story. But I know a "the fans have made their mind up via lazy group-think and found their scape goat" when I see it. It's fairly easy to spot. It generally happens when a player doesn't live up to a lofty contract. The fans get mad, make up their mind, and will never be convinced otherwise.
Yeah I get that the Seahawks are a run first team and WRs don't get to put up huge numbers. Never the less for a receiver playing the X receiver or split end , those are bad numbers even on a run first team. Certainly doesn't stand out from the crowd. In fact Kearse had more TDs in the same # of games, also more receptions and yardage. Time for Rice to step it up, just because he's the one receiver with height, doesn't mean he gets a pass for lack of production.
SeaTown81":1dohsw82 said:haroldseattle":1dohsw82 said:SeaTown81":1dohsw82 said:haroldseattle":1dohsw82 said:Rice was on pace for a 34 catches, 528 yards, and 7TD year before tearing his ACL last year. Nothing to write home about. Now is going to have to recover from a ACL, lots of players struggle the year after tearing a ACL. IMO Rice is going to struggle to make the roster. The one thing he has going for him is his size, but if that doesn't translate to results on the field, he'll be a roster cut, because of his injury history and not being useful on ST. Seahawks just have better options this year.
Since when do Seahawks wr's get big numbers worthy of you holding those numbers against Rice?
[b]Had Sidney Rice ended the season with 7 TD's, he would've LED THE TEAM[/b]. Baldwin, Tate, & Miller tied for the lead last year with 5 a piece. Yards and catches would've been 3rd behind Baldwin and Tate. And once again let's reiterate that we're talking about a team that finished in the bottom 3 for passing attempts last year where NOBODY puts up big receiving numbers. So by all means, illustrate how useless and replaceable Rice is with offensive production statistics.
Maybe Rice will have trouble with his injury recovery. That is something that can be said for any player returning from an ACL (more and more are coming back in record time, btw). But beyond that, some of you guys are going to need to get over past the "bust" label you've branded Rice with. So he didn't live up to his free agent deal. So what? He's not making a ton of money anymore. If healthy, the guy can contribute to the team. But whatever. Let's just dump the 6'4" 27 year old wide receiver with starting experience for some fringe special teamer because bitchy fans turned on the guy for not meeting their all-pro expectations. Yeah, that sounds about right.
I will say for the millionth time. If he's not recovered fully, it's an entirely different story. But I know a "the fans have made their mind up via lazy group-think and found their scape goat" when I see it. It's fairly easy to spot. It generally happens when a player doesn't live up to a lofty contract. The fans get mad, make up their mind, and will never be convinced otherwise.
Yeah I get that the Seahawks are a run first team and WRs don't get to put up huge numbers. Never the less for a receiver playing the X receiver or split end , those are bad numbers even on a run first team. Certainly doesn't stand out from the crowd. In fact Kearse had more TDs in the same # of games, also more receptions and yardage. Time for Rice to step it up, just because he's the one receiver with height, doesn't mean he gets a pass for lack of production.
That's a great argument if you're arguing against a guy making $9 million a year. But not so much for a player of Rice's talents making $1 million. The only thing keeping him off the team at that price will be his health of if the team decides to keep a small number of wide receivers. Rice isn't getting beat out by Ricardo Lockette or Bryan Walters.
haroldseattle":2wssp94i said:Coming off a ACL tear , you got to expect that he's not going to 100% and I have him as maybe a #6 receiver, behind Harvin, Baldwin, Kearse, Richardson, and Norwood. He not playing STs so his value drops. I think a player like Lockett could add more value as a gunner on STs then Rice sitting on the bench watching the game.
SeaTown81":hjm1of3m said:haroldseattle":hjm1of3m said:Coming off a ACL tear , you got to expect that he's not going to 100% and I have him as maybe a #6 receiver, behind Harvin, Baldwin, Kearse, Richardson, and Norwood. He not playing STs so his value drops. I think a player like Lockett could add more value as a gunner on STs then Rice sitting on the bench watching the game.
If Rice makes the team and is healthy, he's not sitting on the bench the entire game. He wasn't sitting on the bench before he went out. He fits in well in a rotation with guys like Harvin, Baldwin, and Kearse. As I said before, he offers an element that forces teams to play the other guys differently. He has value beyond plays where he is thrown the ball.
And it's not as crazy to think he'll be able to rebound from his ACL. Have you been paying attention to the number of players who are coming back from ACL's every year? RG3 and Chris Clemons both tore their ACL's in the POST-SEASON two years ago and were back in time for the next season. Rice went out mid-season. It's not a given he'll be 100%. But ACL's aren't holding guys back like they used to. (whatever reason that is. be it improved medicine, or improved "medicicine.)
I like Richardson and Norwood's potential. But don't forget how long it takes some rookie wr's to adjust to the NFL. You can't just assume they'll step in and immediately produce. They could very well be this year's Christine Michael.
If the team decides to only keep 5 wr's, it will be interesting to see how it plays out. But if they keep 6, which I think they will, a healthy Rice vs Lockette is a stupid debate to have. And the only way I see Chris Matthews beating out Rice is if he turns out to be the find of the season. Not simply looking intriguing like Stephen Williams did last year.