Bruce Irvin

[CANHawk]

To thyself be true Can. Just kidding, eh?

Who are you?



see? I just did it again!

 

[Lynch Mob]

no we need someone that is good in coverage and has instincts to read the line of scrimage to know where the holes are developing bruce don't have that he's a DE. I think they get Irvin to put on some muscle(10-15) develop as a run defender(instincts) n pass rusher with moves and counters then i think he will be just fine. It will probably take part of the season for Irvin to get more comfortable playing all the time but i think nerves had a big part in his performance last season(seemed to think rather than read n react) especially being pushed up sooner than he should of but with injuries you have to be ready and this year i think he will be but at DE.

 

[ivotuk]

According to some people here, Bruce is incapable of playing 2 different positions. I haven't seen any evidence that he couldn't fall back and cover. He's extremely fast, capable of changing directions, has a great vertical and fairly long arms. I don't see why he couldn't drop like Clemons does and try to tip some passes in the short to medium area.

I'm not sure what his struggles with the run have to do with him playing coverage. It's a completely different game, he's off the line of scrimmage so there will be less to obstruct his vision and he won't be battling 300 pound linemen along with a 220 pound running back.

I'd love to see him play some coverage and think he would do very well with some experience.

 

[jackflash50]

I've learned in the few posts I have made that you can't have any "ideas" on here w/out some people ripping you a new ass.
Nothing wrong with throwing ideas out there. I agree, Irvin would be lost as a full time LB however would be interesting to see Clemons, Avril, and him all rushing the passer.

 

[General Manager]

He;s not an every down DE right now and probably never will be asking him to play some LB isn't unreasonable they should try it he may fail he may fail at DE period so they have nothing to lose by trying it.

 

[PlinytheCenter]

IMO, Irvin would be as good a linebacker as Curry. He was pretty big and fast, right? How did that work out?

Dude it worked out so freaking well I made myself a sig to celebrate it. I'll make an avatar of Bruce if we can move him to WIL and delay his career.

Somebody, for the lova pete, help Yugo get a new avatar. Please. He's suffered enough. Where's your compassion??

 

[CANHawk]

I've learned in the few posts I have made that you can't have any "ideas" on here w/out some people ripping you a new ass.
Nothing wrong with throwing ideas out there. I agree, Irvin would be lost as a full time LB however would be interesting to see Clemons, Avril, and him all rushing the passer.

That's what I love about this place! :th2thumbs:

 

[Scottemojo]

I've learned in the few posts I have made that you can't have any "ideas" on here w/out some people ripping you a new ass.
Nothing wrong with throwing ideas out there. I agree, Irvin would be lost as a full time LB however would be interesting to see Clemons, Avril, and him all rushing the passer.

Well, when yo talk out of your old ass, you need a new one that works properly, so well meaning people rip you one. For your own good.

 

[Largent80]

Sometimes I think I need a new ass, only ....Not ripped.

In fact, is a ripped ass one with a 6 pack?

 

[General Manager]

Irvin is going to be fine he might not be an everydown DE but as a pure pass rusher i believe he will be productive .

 

[TDOTSEAHAWK]

So as to the original poster - there is no chance he moves to SAM. Expect that we draft at least 2 LBs this draft to fill those roles.

Why would you move a raw first round pick from a more important position, where he has had a measure of success and development to a new position role? I don't mind throwing out ideas but they have to be justified better.

As for Bruce Irvin talk, as there is an interesting angle here after the Avril trade, what do we do with him?

To be honest, at this point, I see Avril becoming our full time LEO of the future and Irvin playing out his rookie contract and heading out or possibly re-signing for cheap.

Irvin is a year younger than Avril and at least a year or two behind in development. I highly doubt he will develop fast enough to catch up in the two years they will co-exist on the same team.

That being said, he is a great insurance policy and much needed cheap depth at our second most important position and if he averages 8 sacks a year in his role as a situational pass rusher I wouldn't call him a bust at 15.

 

[CANHawk]

So as to the original poster - there is no chance he moves to SAM. Expect that we draft at least 2 LBs this draft to fill those roles.

Why would you move a raw first round pick from a more important position, where he has had a measure of success and development to a new position role? I don't mind throwing out ideas but they have to be justified better.

As for Bruce Irvin talk, as there is an interesting angle here after the Avril trade, what do we do with him?

To be honest, at this point, I see Avril becoming our full time LEO of the future and Irvin playing out his rookie contract and heading out or possibly re-signing for cheap.

Irvin is a year younger than Avril and at least a year or two behind in development. I highly doubt he will develop fast enough to catch up in the two years they will co-exist on the same team.

That being said, he is a great insurance policy and much needed cheap depth at our second most important position and if he averages 8 sacks a year in his role as a situational pass rusher I wouldn't call him a bust at 15.

Irvin has a very specialized skillset though and I don't see us not tryign to maximize that. It took WVU a little while to figure out how to maximize his talents and they moved him around all over the place. They had him blitzing straight up the middle on more than a few occasions IIRC. Somebody mentioned using Clem and Avril as DE's of some description and have Bruce bobbing around as a joker blitzer of some description. that combination might actually be pretty devistating. I think Bruce is really in his element when his only responsibility is to go chase quarterbacks.

 

[Attyla the Hawk]

Irvin should have the quickness/physical tools to succeed in such a transition. He has good lateral agility and a quick first step/initial burst.

I don't think it's a physical limitation that would prevent him from making such a change. Irvin really doesn't appear to be very aware of the play around him. He looks a bit lost in space in instances where he needs to read/react. I'd say he's even Curryish about his lack of play recognition.

Irvin however has something that Curry just didn't have. He has a natural affinity for rushing the passer. And that is something that gives him value. Way more value and longevity than Curry.

Honestly, I think we can all see it pretty readily. Irvin has such a remarkable get off on the snap, but that initial burst is entirely absent when he is asked to perform a run/pass read. In those cases, he is very frequently the last player out of his stance. I don't think he has the experience or the acumen to diagnose plays quickly.

He is at his very best, when he doesn't have to think. Just go. And in that role, he is special. It's what differentiated a prospect like him, versus say a prospect like Shea McClellin. Shea struggled to find a niche last year, but his talent was more as a versatile prospect that could do many things. Irvin is a specialist and after having seen him for a year, I think that assessment was not only spot on. But he also managed to confirm that he is not versatile in the least.

There's not crime in that. It's up to the team to put him in situations where he can thrive. Irvin can rush the passer. Extremely well. I don't expect he will ever become even a functional every down type player. As an OLB, he needs to have a decent breadth of skills (recognition, ability to drop in coverage, read a QB etc.) and he has shown that he doesn't possess those traits.

 

[Basis4day]

The FO has proven themselves pretty reliable in the LBers they have picked up.

Let's draft more LBers and let Irvin develop. Hes in the Leo mold, which is a hybrid DE/LB anyway.

 

[General Manager]

So as to the original poster - there is no chance he moves to SAM. Expect that we draft at least 2 LBs this draft to fill those roles.

Why would you move a raw first round pick from a more important position, where he has had a measure of success and development to a new position role? I don't mind throwing out ideas but they have to be justified better.

As for Bruce Irvin talk, as there is an interesting angle here after the Avril trade, what do we do with him?

To be honest, at this point, I see Avril becoming our full time LEO of the future and Irvin playing out his rookie contract and heading out or possibly re-signing for cheap.

Irvin is a year younger than Avril and at least a year or two behind in development. I highly doubt he will develop fast enough to catch up in the two years they will co-exist on the same team.

That being said, he is a great insurance policy and much needed cheap depth at our second most important position and if he averages 8 sacks a year in his role as a situational pass rusher I wouldn't call him a bust at 15.

Irvin has a very specialized skillset though and I don't see us not tryign to maximize that. It took WVU a little while to figure out how to maximize his talents and they moved him around all over the place. They had him blitzing straight up the middle on more than a few occasions IIRC. Somebody mentioned using Clem and Avril as DE's of some description and have Bruce bobbing around as a joker blitzer of some description. that combination might actually be pretty devistating. I think Bruce is really in his element when his only responsibility is to go chase quarterbacks.

This is the thing right he does have talent and he was the 15th pick last year they need to maximize his potential and keep him on the field taking ''some'' snaps at LB achieves that. Probably won't happen though even though in theory it makes sense.

 

[CANHawk]

So as to the original poster - there is no chance he moves to SAM. Expect that we draft at least 2 LBs this draft to fill those roles.

Why would you move a raw first round pick from a more important position, where he has had a measure of success and development to a new position role? I don't mind throwing out ideas but they have to be justified better.

As for Bruce Irvin talk, as there is an interesting angle here after the Avril trade, what do we do with him?

To be honest, at this point, I see Avril becoming our full time LEO of the future and Irvin playing out his rookie contract and heading out or possibly re-signing for cheap.

Irvin is a year younger than Avril and at least a year or two behind in development. I highly doubt he will develop fast enough to catch up in the two years they will co-exist on the same team.

That being said, he is a great insurance policy and much needed cheap depth at our second most important position and if he averages 8 sacks a year in his role as a situational pass rusher I wouldn't call him a bust at 15.

Irvin has a very specialized skillset though and I don't see us not tryign to maximize that. It took WVU a little while to figure out how to maximize his talents and they moved him around all over the place. They had him blitzing straight up the middle on more than a few occasions IIRC. Somebody mentioned using Clem and Avril as DE's of some description and have Bruce bobbing around as a joker blitzer of some description. that combination might actually be pretty devistating. I think Bruce is really in his element when his only responsibility is to go chase quarterbacks.

This is the thing right he does have talent and he was the 15th pick last year they need to maximize his potential and keep him on the field taking ''some'' snaps at LB achieves that. Probably won't happen though even though in theory it makes sense.

I'll retract my smart assery about making Irvin a LB if the OP was suggesting that Irvin would be best utilized as a roving, stalking instrument of death that specializes only in blitzing quarterbacks and was classified as a linebacker simply due to the fact that there would be no better position to classify him as because there's no such position as a murder back. If THAT'S the case, then I agree whole heartedly.

But if we're talking about using him as a traditional Will or Sam LB, then my previous position stands.

 

[DavidSeven]

Honestly, I'm pretty excited to see where Quinn's coaching and a year of experience takes Bruce as a DE. Only see him getting better.