I've said it a million times.

[Seahawk Sailor]

To be fair the Browns have given up 21 more sacks, and 27 more QB hits this year than Seattle.

I remember a year when the Cardinals had a worse O-line than this when we had Kolb I believe. I think we almost gave up 60 sacks that season.

How much is Cable, and how much is what he's been given to work with. The guy has been asked to make a Ferrari, on a 10k budget.

Cable personally picked out those Ferrari parts with our top draft picks. It's completely his fault he went to the Kia store to buy them.

 

[Largent80]

Shuffling RT with 3 games to go and #2 seed on the line says it all.

This team hasn't had a consistent line for years now and that's a shame since we have a franchise quarterback.

 

[Thepeelsessions]

Since Cable got here, OL has been the weakest unit on the team. That still hasn't changed. The Pats don't have a very good OL but somehow they still keep winning.

They have an outstanding Oline coach Dante Scarnecchia. He has been with the team since 1991 took 3 years off and came back this year to help the Oline.

He has turned nobodies into Pro Bowl and All-Pro linemen. He gets a hold of a player and coaches them to be better. Whereas Cable gets a hold of a guy and coaches them to be worse.

Dante Scarnecchia is who Tom Cable should be. It's ridiculous that Cable is widely regarded as an offensive line genius and guru. The Patriots always seem to be able to plug in some random lineman, and that offense doesn't miss a beat. It doesn't matter if the random lineman is an unknown UDFA or a low draft pick. That's all on the exemplary coaching of Scarnecchia. He knows what he's doing.

 

[Ozzy]

I've seen multiple people say rookies, new guys in the system and a host of other excuses but a couple of guys above are right. New England seems to figure out a way to keep moving along and they have had as many offensive line issues as we have the past couple of years. I think it's probably a better marriage between McDaniels and the offensive line coach. I wonder if Bevell and Cable are both capable but just don't mesh well together. It's either that and/or player evaluation, coaching, luck etc.

 

[sdog1981]

Since Cable got here, OL has been the weakest unit on the team. That still hasn't changed. The Pats don't have a very good OL but somehow they still keep winning.

They have an outstanding Oline coach Dante Scarnecchia. He has been with the team since 1991 took 3 years off and came back this year to help the Oline.

He has turned nobodies into Pro Bowl and All-Pro linemen. He gets a hold of a player and coaches them to be better. Whereas Cable gets a hold of a guy and coaches them to be worse.

Dante Scarnecchia is who Tom Cable should be. It's ridiculous that Cable is widely regarded as an offensive line genius and guru. The Patriots always seem to be able to plug in some random lineman, and that offense doesn't miss a beat. It doesn't matter if the random lineman is an unknown UDFA or a low draft pick. That's all on the exemplary coaching of Scarnecchia. He knows what he's doing.

A good oline coach stays with a team for DECADES. They are so good a team will never let them go.

Art Kehoe has been with the university of Miami for 34 years 5 national championships with 4 different head coaches.

Dante Scarnecchia 1991 until now.

Kirk Ferentz with Iowa both line coach and now the head coach.

James Campen was the line coach with the Packers since 2003.

From 1997 until 2011 Cable was fired from every job he had in 3 years or less. That is telling me that people who know football thinks he sucks.

 

[hawk45]

We need a draft investment sticky.

Since 2011

Olinemen drafted

1st round: 2
2nd round: 1
3rd round: 2
4th round: 2
5th round: 0
6th round: 3
7th round: 2

Total: 12

First pick regardless of round: 3


50 free agents. That is 10 players per position on the Oline.

Tom Cable is a specialist in failure.

Thank you for this. Cable has had plenty of capital but his player evaluation sucks and by the time they are up for a rookie contract they are not worth a second contract.
If cable ever developed a player worthy of being a core player we'd pay them. But as bad as our line has been I can't fault JS for not forking over 10 for JR Sweezy.
Okung was one O wish we'd have retained because the dumpster fire at tackle was easy to see coming for those not bedazzled by Gilliam (and Fant is this year's Gilliam).
There is zero chance we ever have a decent line with cable and it's Pete's utter blindness in this area that is to blame.
I would hire Carolina's OL coach in a heartbeat. They were down two starters when playing us and Newton had all damned day. It was just laughable how much worse our line was than a "bad" panther OL.

 

[Seahawk Sailor]

We need a draft investment sticky.

Since 2011

Olinemen drafted

1st round: 2
2nd round: 1
3rd round: 2
4th round: 2
5th round: 0
6th round: 3
7th round: 2

Total: 12

First pick regardless of round: 3


50 free agents. That is 10 players per position on the Oline.

Tom Cable is a specialist in failure.

Thank you for this. Cable has had plenty of capital but his player evaluation sucks and by the time they are up for a rookie contract they are not worth a second contract.
If cable ever developed a player worthy of being a core player we'd pay them. But as bad as our line has been I can't fault JS for not forking over 10 for JR Sweezy.
Okung was one O wish we'd have retained because the dumpster fire at tackle was easy to see coming for those not bedazzled by Gilliam (and Fant is this year's Gilliam).
There is zero chance we ever have a decent line with cable and it's Pete's utter blindness in this area that is to blame.
I would hire Carolina's OL coach in a heartbeat. They were down two starters when playing us and Newton had all damned day. It was just laughable how much worse our line was than a "bad" panther OL.

This really makes me wonder something. I know, most of us are really down on Bevell's play calling. Most of us want him gone. Me included. But how many of those "terrible" play calls actually work when the offensive line gives Russ just a second or so longer in a decent pocket, or opens up just a little bit of a hole for the running back to squeeze through? How many touchdowns or first downs do we have if the offensive line prevents someone coming through unblocked for a sack? How many times do we see Russ "work his magic" and get the ball to Baldwin on the sidelines as we used to see routinely if the line holds up just a tiny bit better?

How much of the Bevell hate around here is misdirected to him instead of Cable, I'm guessing based largely on a single big play in the Super Bowl?

 

[sdog1981]

Thank you for this. Cable has had plenty of capital but his player evaluation sucks and by the time they are up for a rookie contract they are not worth a second contract.
If cable ever developed a player worthy of being a core player we'd pay them. But as bad as our line has been I can't fault JS for not forking over 10 for JR Sweezy.
Okung was one O wish we'd have retained because the dumpster fire at tackle was easy to see coming for those not bedazzled by Gilliam (and Fant is this year's Gilliam).
There is zero chance we ever have a decent line with cable and it's Pete's utter blindness in this area that is to blame.
I would hire Carolina's OL coach in a heartbeat. They were down two starters when playing us and Newton had all damned day. It was just laughable how much worse our line was than a "bad" panther OL.

Yeah, that's John Matsko. No way the Seahawks are going to get him, he has improved Oline play at KC and Baltimore before heading to the Panthers in 2011.